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joecct
10-26-2015, 10:38 AM
Somebody in the hockey office must really be ticking off the constituents.

The schools that made up the North Atlantic are now the Colonial Hockey Conference Same schedule, same teams, same two year waiting period to get a bid.

LtPowers
10-26-2015, 10:47 AM
Somebody in the hockey office must really be ticking off the constituents.

The schools that made up the North Atlantic are now the Colonial Hockey Conference Same schedule, same teams, same two year waiting period to get a bid.

I must be behind in my D-III hockey news. Is this a new conference or something? Who's in it?


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oldicehouse
10-26-2015, 10:50 AM
MARSHFIELD, Mass. Eight institutions formerly comprising the Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) North Atlantic Women's Ice Hockey League announced on Monday a change in name and administration to the league. Effective this season the league will be named the Colonial Hockey Conference (CHC).

Becker College, Daniel Webster College, Endicott College, Johnson & Wales University, Morrisville State College, Salem State University, Stevenson University and SUNY Canton women's ice hockey programs will comprise the CHC.

Jamie Marcoux, Director of Athletics at Johnson and Wales, Jason Doviak, Associate Director of Athletics and Recreation for Salem State, and Randy Sieminski, Director of Athletics at SUNY Canton, will serve as the league's Executive Committee.

"We are thrilled to see the continued growth and commitment to women's ice hockey with the creation of the new Colonial Hockey Conference," said Marcoux. "Each institution in the CHC is committed to providing an exceptional experience for all of our student athletes, coaches, and fans."

"The Colonial Hockey Conference's inaugural year is something we have all worked very hard to organize for the benefit of our student-athletes, coaches, and member institutions," echoed Doviak. "There is a lot of excitement on the Salem State campus as the season nears and we are all looking forward to watching and supporting our women's team compete."

The league is comprised of institutions spanning five states (Massachusetts, New York, Maryland, New Hampshire and Rhode Island) with each state being recognized as one of the nation's 13 original colonies.

Sieminski reiterated the sentiments of his Executive Committee counterparts, "This is an outstanding group of colleges, athletic departments and women's hockey programs that have come together to form this conference. The inaugural season of competition will be exciting and rewarding for everyone involved. Teams and players are anxious to get underway this weekend, and we are proud to be a part of this historical expansion of women's college hockey."

The NCAA Management Council accepted the CHC as an active Division III single-sport playing conference this past April. The conference will be eligible for automatic qualification into the NCAA tournament after two seasons of league play.

Andy McPhee, head coach at Endicott, will serve as the league's Coaches' Chair. McPhee, like all of the league coaches, is excited to see his program hit the ice this season, "The League will make for a competitive and rewarding experience for all the student-athletes. We would like to thank the presidents, athletic directors and all those involved who made this opportunity possible. The student-athletes and coaches are eager to represent our institutions on the ice in the inaugural season of the Colonial Hockey Conference."

LtPowers
10-26-2015, 11:56 AM
Those are all new or fairly new programs, aren't they?


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spwood
10-26-2015, 01:48 PM
With Canton and Morrisville of the CHC, I count seven SUNYAC schools... I hate to stir the pot, but any talk of a SUNYAC conference yet?

Scott_TG
10-26-2015, 04:21 PM
With Canton and Morrisville of the CHC, I count seven SUNYAC schools... I hate to stir the pot, but any talk of a SUNYAC conference yet?


To my understanding neither are full members of the SUNYAC, thus them playing women's hockey would not force a SUNYAC Women's Hockey conference they way Brockport, Geneseo Fredonia, New Paltz or Oneonta starting teams would. Last time I saw the rules they need 60% of member schools to field a team to have a championship. That would mean one more current member starting a team or one current member adding a program plus a new member of the conference with a women's team. If they could get Canton to become a full SUNYAC member maybe it would nudge one of the three SUNYAC Men's Hockey schools to start a program to form the conference?

The problem is it would be very hard for anyone in that conference to be competitive with Plattsburgh.

CrossCheck
10-26-2015, 07:41 PM
To my understanding neither are full members of the SUNYAC, thus them playing women's hockey would not force a SUNYAC Women's Hockey conference they way Brockport, Geneseo Fredonia, New Paltz or Oneonta starting teams would. Last time I saw the rules they need 60% of member schools to field a team to have a championship. That would mean one more current member starting a team or one current member adding a program plus a new member of the conference with a women's team. If they could get Canton to become a full SUNYAC member maybe it would nudge one of the three SUNYAC Men's Hockey schools to start a program to form the conference?

The problem is it would be very hard for anyone in that conference to be competitive with Plattsburgh.

oh boy....why not just re-name it "Little Sisters of the Poor Conf"?


And the best part is....they'll soon be getting an auto-bid? What a joke.

joecct
10-26-2015, 08:00 PM
oh boy....why not just re-name it "Little Sisters of the Poor Conf"?


And the best part is....they'll soon be getting an auto-bid? What a joke.We don't make the rules, the NCAA does. And if it means that more D-III schools playing women's ice hockey great!, for that will mean an increase in tournament size.

CrossCheck
10-27-2015, 08:15 AM
We don't make the rules, the NCAA does. And if it means that more D-III schools playing women's ice hockey great!, for that will mean an increase in tournament size.


Actually, I think it will mean that a MUCH more deserving team will now be left out because adding this uber-lame conference will mean an unqualified team will get an NCAA auto-bid.....and will eliminate an 'at-large' slot.

gojackets
10-27-2015, 11:32 AM
Actually, I think it will mean that a MUCH more deserving team will now be left out because adding this uber-lame conference will mean an unqualified team will get an NCAA auto-bid.....and will eliminate an 'at-large' slot.

A lot of those teams are new...are we close to a 9th spot?

mtnscm
10-27-2015, 12:05 PM
Actually, I think it will mean that a MUCH more deserving team will now be left out because adding this uber-lame conference will mean an unqualified team will get an NCAA auto-bid.....and will eliminate an 'at-large' slot.

Who made you the arbiter of "a joke" and "uber lame." If you look at the history of success of Women's D-III and the teams, not the conferences, that have won you can put most of all the conferences in the "joke" and "uber-lame" category. The division is dominated by a few teams and a few conferences. Sit down, shut up and let the sport develop.

Hammer
10-27-2015, 12:09 PM
A lot of those teams are new...are we close to a 9th spot?

I think within a year or two we'll be at 9. I know we're close.

CrossCheck
10-28-2015, 09:00 AM
Who made you the arbiter of "a joke" and "uber lame." If you look at the history of success of Women's D-III and the teams, not the conferences, that have won you can put most of all the conferences in the "joke" and "uber-lame" category. The division is dominated by a few teams and a few conferences. Sit down, shut up and let the sport develop.

Nice job genius, you just defeated your own argument.....If there's so much "development" going on in the game, then why is the division "dominated by a few teams"??

Tell me again how giving an auto-bid to a new Conf. with mediocre to very weak teams is fair? This isn't ncaa football where any team with an over .500 record gets to go to a Bowl game. Sit down...shut up.

LtPowers
10-28-2015, 10:05 AM
Tell me again how giving an auto-bid to a new Conf. with mediocre to very weak teams is fair?

Because that's how pretty much every NCAA sport works?

You give conferences auto-bids to encourage schools to start programs. Eventually that expands the tournament field and everyone's no worse off.


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joecct
10-28-2015, 02:53 PM
Nice job genius, you just defeated your own argument.....If there's so much "development" going on in the game, then why is the division "dominated by a few teams"??

Tell me again how giving an auto-bid to a new Conf. with mediocre to very weak teams is fair? This isn't ncaa football where any team with an over .500 record gets to go to a Bowl game. Sit down...shut up.

No, this is Division III. The only football bowl game is the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl which is for all the marbles. As for the rest, I echo the sentiments of Lt. Powers.

mtnscm
10-28-2015, 04:59 PM
No, this is Division III. The only football bowl game is the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl which is for all the marbles. As for the rest, I echo the sentiments of Lt. Powers.

Cogent argument, well stated and using evidence to make your debate points. Bravo.

mtnscm
10-28-2015, 05:06 PM
Because that's how pretty much every NCAA sport works?

You give conferences auto-bids to encourage schools to start programs. Eventually that expands the tournament field and everyone's no worse off.


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And encouraging schools to start programs develops the sport, which is all but 13 years old or so at the NCAA national championship level. I think it would be tough to be a coach at St. A's, Holy Cross, St. Mike's where you would have to tell a recruit that you don't have the opportunity to play in the big dance. Maybe that's just me.

joecct
10-28-2015, 05:51 PM
And encouraging schools to start programs develops the sport, which is all but 13 years old or so at the NCAA national championship level. I think it would be tough to be a coach at St. A's, Holy Cross, St. Mike's where you would have to tell a recruit that you don't have the opportunity to play in the big dance. Maybe that's just me.
They can. The National Collegiate Championship is for D-I & D-II schools. They just have to play in a conference with 6 like members.

mtnscm
10-28-2015, 06:05 PM
They can. The National Collegiate Championship is for D-I & D-II schools. They just have to play in a conference with 6 like members.

So to close the debate circle with the Crosscheck (Donald) above, the sport needs more development by attracting more players who can play on teams and in conferences that have to start somewhere. The long and short is keep it going, provide incentives (like auto-bids) to create more conferences and teams and the sport wins.

gojackets
10-28-2015, 06:52 PM
Because that's how pretty much every NCAA sport works?

You give conferences auto-bids to encourage schools to start programs. Eventually that expands the tournament field and everyone's no worse off.


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Case in point...how many different teams have made the BCS bowl games over the last 15 years? Yes any team with 6 wins can go to a bowl game...but the bowl games that mattered were the BCS games. There were traditionally 4 bowl games...so 8 teams. I think I counted 48 teams made an appearance in a BCS bowl game over 15 years, but only 18 made more than 2 appearances.

Of the 15 years of data, Ohio State made a BCS bowl 10 times, Oklahoma 9 times, Florida State 8, USC and Florida 7, Alabama 6 and then Va Tech, Oregon, Michigan, Stanford, Wisconsin with 5 appearances.

So even though there are 128 BCS teams, only 11 were consistently in those games.


I do agree somewhat that especially with women's hockey that the talent pool gets watered down by all these teams. THere are boys playing hockey in every state in America...so having 100 college hockey teams is doable, but thats not the case with girls...the bulk of hockey players come from Minnesota...then WI, IL, MI and the northeast. There are only so many highly talented girls coming into the college ranks, which is why I think there is soo much disparity between the top teams and the bottom teams. If I'm good enough to play at Plattsburgh or Middlebury, Gustavus or River Falls...I'm going to go there. IF I'm a highly talented player, why would I choose to go to Finlandia?