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mookie1995
05-06-2019, 12:16 AM
would be hard pressed to find someone go to bu with an offer from princeton in hand.... just sayin'

heck, any hea school vs any ivy.

ericredaxe
05-06-2019, 08:15 AM
would be hard pressed to find someone go to bu with an offer from princeton in hand.... just sayin'

heck, any hea school vs any ivy.

For a player who expects to stay for 4 years and earn a degree, this is hard to argue with.

Lemonade
05-06-2019, 08:43 AM
would be hard pressed to find someone go to bu with an offer from princeton in hand.... just sayin'

heck, any hea school vs any ivy.

Except the Ivys cant provide any athletic scholarship money...

brassbonanza
05-06-2019, 09:20 AM
Except the Ivys cant provide any athletic scholarship money...

Sure, but as a legacy there and someone who'd improve their team quite a bit, I'm sure they found some scholarship money somewhere in their pockets.

mookie1995
05-06-2019, 12:08 PM
Except the Ivys cant provide any athletic scholarship money...

Long game..... living 60 years with an ivy degree pays :)

J.D.
05-06-2019, 02:13 PM
Ivy schools and fans like to hide behind "no athletic scholarships" but it's a lot more complicated than that.

Dan
05-06-2019, 02:37 PM
No athletic money. No academic money. Need based aid (based on university wide standards) only. Sliding academic scales to evaluate entire classes as far as admitting student-athletes (i.e. individual flexibility within overall standards). That’s Ivy policy straight from the mouths of Ivy coaches across a number of sports...

On the fringes families can either afford it or they can get significant aid - for the majority in the middle it’s going to be a hefty price tag...

Rogie21
05-06-2019, 10:22 PM
2022 recruit Ryan Greene selected #3 overall by Green Bay in the USHL Phase 1 draft. Nick Roukoumakis goes in fourth round to Dubuque. Greene, along with 2022 recruits Lane Hutson and Devin Kaplan, currently playing in the World Selects Invitational 15U.

mookie1995
05-07-2019, 12:48 AM
Dan must be like mookie and consider families in the 200k-250k range 'middle class' :p


No athletic money. No academic money. Need based aid (based on university wide standards) only. Sliding academic scales to evaluate entire classes as far as admitting student-athletes (i.e. individual flexibility within overall standards). That’s Ivy policy straight from the mouths of Ivy coaches across a number of sports...

On the fringes families can either afford it or they can get significant aid - for the majority in the middle it’s going to be a hefty price tag...

What will it cost?
Attending Harvard will only cost what your family can afford. We make sure of that.

If your family income is less than $65,000, your parents pay nothing.

For families earning between $65,000 and $150,000, the expected contribution is between zero and 10 percent of your annual income.

Families earning more than $150,000 may still qualify for financial aid.

For more than 90 percent of American and international families, Harvard costs the same or less than the U.S. public universities.

International students receive the same generous financial aid.

Nick Papagiorgio
05-07-2019, 09:05 AM
I honestly have a hard time telling if people are serious or facetious when reading the whole no athletic scholarships for Ivy leaguers.

We can all agree; these kids pay very little to go there and play hockey and we don't have to pretend like they are paying much to go there so there's really no point in even mentioning it. There's no PWR bonus points for pretending your kids pay their way to play hockey there.

mookie1995
05-07-2019, 11:19 AM
Maybe all these folks are Kushner millionaires :)

Dan
05-07-2019, 12:23 PM
Dan must be like mookie and consider families in the 200k-250k range 'middle class' :p



What will it cost?
Attending Harvard will only cost what your family can afford. We make sure of that.

If your family income is less than $65,000, your parents pay nothing.

For families earning between $65,000 and $150,000, the expected contribution is between zero and 10 percent of your annual income.

Families earning more than $150,000 may still qualify for financial aid.

For more than 90 percent of American and international families, Harvard costs the same or less than the U.S. public universities.

International students receive the same generous financial aid.

Dan does not have a dog in this fight. Dan was just reporting the facts of Ivy League financial aid as expressed to him by his contemporaries (and their colleagues) who coach in the Ivy League. Dan trusts those sources over fans of rival programs. The facts are that Ivy Leagues cannot award athletic aid - doing so would be cheating. Ivy League schools also do not award academic aid (more on this later). If people want to play the semantics game (or maybe they are being facetious) and point out that these athletes are not often paying full-boat to attend their Ivy institutions (as need-based aid is available to all Ivy students) they would be correct to do so - but they often do it in a very disingenuous manner in order to reinforce their own preconceived notions about their schools recruiting processes relative to the processes of Ivy League competitors...

Dan also does not understand Mookie's giggle about a middle class of 200-250K when none of Mookie's numbers support his joke? Dan wants to take a closer look at Mookie's numbers...

a) Two parents making less than 35K each certainly falls into the high-need category Dan referenced in his last post.
b) Families earning between 65-150K having to pay 10% of their income is likely a big deal to most after taxes, a home, a couple of cars, expenses and perhaps multiple children. Dan also thinks its a very wide range. Dan also believes this only applies to tuition. Dan also believes the opportunity to play less than 10% of their income would be VERY attractive to many of these families if they could get more aid at other strong academic institutions. Dan thinks this because he knows from experience that the first three factors in recruiting for most families are: 1) Money. 2) Money and 3) Money.
c) If one parent makes 75K and another makes 76K is that rich? Not for a big baller like Mookie certainly, but suddenly this family only 'MAY' receive financial aid. Dan believes (and has been told) that 'may' probably means not a 'significant' amount.

Dan is also confused by Mookie's last point that for 90% of families at Harvard the school will only cost around what a US public school would cost. Dan must be a poor because he thinks that sounds expensive. He went to Miami University (a public ivy!) which now costs almost 50K to attend from out of state. He's from New Hampshire where UNH is now well over 40K. Dan feels that the ability to package need-based, academic and athletic scholarships at many of these schools would make them much cheaper than what the average student pays.

Most importantly, Dan thinks this is the biggest piece of the puzzle that people miss when they want to play semantics and argue that Ivy student-athletes don't get zero assistance. Lets look closer using BC/BU as an example in relation to Harvard...

Dan googled BC cost of attendance and found that in 2016-17 BC cost over $68,000 to attend (sticker price). He's going to assume that BU is the same and assume/pretend Harvard is too. He's also going to round his numbers to make this easier and say that BC, BU and Harvard all cost $70,000. He also noticed that the average annual cost of ACTUAL ATTENDANCE in his google search for BC was around 35K. Dan was very surprised to find that students at BC and BU also qualified for need-based assistance. It made him feel as if the arguments about Harvard athletes receiving assistance was incomplete or even disingenuous.

The reality is that student-athlete A would likely receive similar need-based aid at all of these institutions - based on his family income. So lets assume that the price for BU and BC is now 50K and Harvard with their deep pockets now only costs 40K (around the same as - even less than! - the state schools listed above). I bet the family of A is now very excited, what a great chunk of money saved! They are even more excited to learn that BU and BC can knock another 15K off of the price because A is a very good student! Unfortunately, Harvard cannot do the same for A and his family. That means that all of the schools are now offering A similar deals - but BU and BC are actually 5K cheaper already, and have one more trick up their sleeve. They can offer athletic scholarships! For a 50% ride, student-athlete A can now attend either of those schools for close to no cost at all! Meanwhile, Harvard is a great school, but they are still stuck at the 40K price-tag. I have read many braggadocios posts on this board that BU and BC are great schools too, so it will be a tough decision...

Here are the choices:
Elite academic university for 40K
Great academic university for 0K
Great academic university for 0K

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In all seriousness, recruiting for non-head count sports is all about packaging ALL FORMS of aid to give a student-athlete an entire picture of the aid available to him or her at any particular school. Losing the biggest opportunity to award aid (athletic scholarships) is a HUGE factor for schools that cannot award them. To argue otherwise is either completely disingenuous or proves that one has no idea how the process works. Ivy's also lose out in their lack of ability to offer academic aid (which other schools CAN offer).

I have not seen anyone argue that Harvard and other Ivy's cannot offer aid - they can, but they can only offer need based aid (and SO CAN all other schools). Its not about Harvard not being able to offer aid, its about how much less aid they are able to offer to most of their prospective student-athletes as a result of their inability to package all forms of aid and their being forced to solely rely on one form. Additionally, since BU/BC only had to offer A a 50% ride because of the other forms of aid he received, they still have a 50% athletic aid offer to present to the next kid as part of his package. Ivy League schools are at a major disadvantage past the fact that they have strict admissions standards. Its simply the truth and its undeniable. That is why they often target kids who, as one coach put it to me, "are very rich or very poor"...

This sentiment was expressed to me when I was working at a university with an elite academic reputation and deep need-based aid pockets. We also had our full compliment of athletic scholarships and generous academic awards. We lapped Ivy League schools in recruiting all day, every day and punched up at the P5 consistently. Why? Because we had loads of money to give away in all three forms of aid, while the Ivy's only had one.

Semantics will never dismiss that advantage. The financial aid Mookie outlined above is perhaps a great equalizer for a NARP deciding between, Harvard and BC/BU/Notre Dame (or using the state school example - a place like UW or UVA). Add in the potential for 10K, 20K, 50K in athletic scholarships and the equality of the offers dissipates pretty quickly. Nothing facetious about that. Its just a financial reality...

mookie1995
05-07-2019, 01:27 PM
:)

How can mookie think a two-earners 151k is rich when he earlier stated 250k is middle class??

All the other under was copy paste from Harvard website.
That 65-150 range would best bet be sliding... not all in that group pay 10%. 65001 May pay 0.0001% up to 150k paying 10% ;). (Think marginal rates)
Harvard (like others) can offer whatever they call “need”, they have a gazillion dollar endowment

Also gonna guess “aid” from bu and bc includes loans. Harvard’s says theirs does not (for that “no cost” group). That’s kinda a big deal, no? :p

Obviously everyone is different, but “need” for those schools which put up the endowment to offer aid is as generous as they can be.

Rogie21
05-07-2019, 04:50 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: The Vees have received a commitment from 2001-born defenceman Cade Webber for the 2019-20 season.<br><br>Details: <a href="https://t.co/NOBaVFrcVO">https://t.co/NOBaVFrcVO</a> <a href="https://t.co/mlAhRJBdXQ">pic.twitter.com/mlAhRJBdXQ</a></p>&mdash; Penticton Vees (@PentictonVees) <a href="https://twitter.com/PentictonVees/status/1125832001712312320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> 2020 recruit played 3 seasons for McEachern at The Rivers School. Suited up with NTDP U18s for 7 games. A year with top BCHL program Penticton (where Fabbro played) to polish his game.

Rogie21
05-08-2019, 08:14 PM
At the World Selects Invitational 15U (https://kreezee.com/hockey/tournament/03-world-selects-invitational-usa/11806), 2022 recruit LD Lane Hutson led all players in assists with 15, helping Draft Day Black win the ‘04 division title. After setting up the game-winner in the semifinal, Hutson scored a goal and added an assist in the 5-3 title game win against East Coast Selects. His 16 points in nine games tied for third overall in scoring.

Rogie21
05-24-2019, 07:45 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Artem Shlaine (Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres Prep) has committed to Boston University for 2021-2022. <a href="https://twitter.com/TerrierHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TerrierHockey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SSMBoysHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">***MBoysHockey</a></p>&mdash; Hockey Commitments (@HockeyCommits) <a href="https://twitter.com/HockeyCommits/status/1131582300326699009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Shlaine, a Moscow native transplanted to Florida, is a 6'1" LC who scored 90 points (34G, 56A) for SSM's midget team, adding a dozen more in the Tier 1 nationals. Creative, poised center. "High IQ and makes great hockey plays."

Rogie21
05-30-2019, 01:41 PM
From the NHL Combine: Zegras (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-scouting-combine-day-three/c-307592752?tid=277764372)

Rogie21
05-31-2019, 11:44 AM
From the Combine: Mastrosimone (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-scouting-combine-day-five/c-307626514)

Top underrated prospect

Robert Mastrosimone, No. 53 in NHL Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters, focused on minor details to become a major threat for Chicago of the United States Hockey League this season.

The 5-foot-10, 158-pound left wing, who had 16 goals in 60 games as a USHL rookie in 2017-18, had 60 points (31 goals, 29 assists), 20 power-play points (seven goals, 13 assists) and two shorthanded goals in 54 regular-season games this season. He led Chicago with 15 points (seven goals, eight assists) in 11 USHL playoff games.

"I think this year I became more of a shooter," said Mastrosimone, who will play at Boston University in the fall. "I worked on my release in the summer, getting it off in tight areas. I also had guys I could play with who knew how to dish the puck. Nicholas Abruzzese (51 assists, No. 122 in Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters) made my game easy; he gave me tap-ins on some of my goals."

Earlier in the week, a combine report (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-scouting-combine-day-one-notebook/c-307563672)identified Ethan Phillips as a top underrated prospect.

Top underrated prospect
Ethan Phillips, No. 78 in NHL Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters, had 43 points (16 goals, 27 assists) in 50 regular-season games as a rookie for Sioux Falls of the United States Hockey League this season. The 5-9, 148-pound center, who has 17 interviews this week, hopes to one day follow in the footsteps of two former billet brothers, Devils center Nico Hischier and Detroit Red Wings forward Filip Zadina.

"The thing I took most from them when they lived with us in Halifax was just how they prepared themselves for everything," Phillips said. "They always made time for me and there's a reason they are successful."
Phillips looks forward to continuing his career at Boston University in September. His Canadian Hockey League rights are held by Halifax of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, where Hischer and Zadina each played junior hockey while living with the Phillips family.

Mastrosimone and Phillips were respectively MVPs for Team East and Team West in the USHL Top Prospects Game this season.

Rogie21
06-01-2019, 07:53 AM
For next season, BU adds right-shot power forward Markus Boguslavsky from AJHL Drumheller. 6’1”, 190, ’99 birthdate. 16-16-32 with 117 PIMs for the Dragons. More on the blog (https://terrierhockey.blogspot.com/2019/06/power-forward-added-for-2019-20-more.html). <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Extremely honoured and feel blessed to announce my commitment to Boston University for this upcoming season. Thank you to my family, friends, teammates, coaches, and everyone else involved for their support in helping me get to where I am today. <a href="https://twitter.com/TerrierHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TerrierHockey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoTerriers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoTerriers</a></p>&mdash; Markus Boguslavsky (@Bogsy_15) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bogsy_15/status/1134530879630581765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Rogie21
06-03-2019, 08:10 AM
Neutral Zone comments on recent BU commits: RW Markus Boguslavsky (2019) and C Artem Shlaine (2021):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Markus Boguslavsky to BU. Thick, big-bodied forward who bullies his way to the net. Works in his end &amp; enters scrums with authority. Shows good stick skills. makes touch passes &amp; has a scorer's touch w/both sides of his blade. TTPA w/skill to make plays <br>👤<a href="https://t.co/IX3U4YNcS2">https://t.co/IX3U4YNcS2</a> <a href="https://t.co/21WHT8vcpz">https://t.co/21WHT8vcpz</a></p>&mdash; Neutral Zone (@_Neutral_Zone) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Neutral_Zone/status/1134819896968306688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4⭐️prospect Artem Shlaine commits to BU. Highly skilled with the puck, sees the whole sheet, swift hands and playmaking ability. Earned A- at USA Nationals in April playing for Shattuck Prep. <br><br>👤Player Profile: <a href="https://t.co/FsEedxzYRJ">https://t.co/FsEedxzYRJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/taOdS4yP5z">https://t.co/taOdS4yP5z</a></p>&mdash; Neutral Zone (@_Neutral_Zone) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Neutral_Zone/status/1135348991858753536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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