BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

[PPGuru]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

fixed how though? mookie hopes you include provisions that disallow coaches to leave then. or make them sit out a year like kids have to if they want to change schools...

Mookie, I've had personal experience with the recruiting process. Believe me, I'm all for more rights for the kids. One of the best examples of what you're saying about Coaches is in Dan Shaughnessy's book, Senior Year. Dan's son was torn between Notre Dame and BC for baseball. I can't remember which school was the winner but a big part of choosing was the Coaches themselves. Before the kid enrolled, both Coaches had moved on.

[PPGuru]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

It sounds like what you want changed is a player's right to say nice things about a school once he commits there?

No, not at all. I was pointing out how things changed in less than a year. I'd like to see these kids make the best choices they can and I don't think they can do that at 14.

[PPGuru]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

The coach who recruited you leaving the school before you arrive shouldn't be allowed to impact your decision? I don't follow this at all.

I totally believe that a Coach leaving should allow you to re-examine your commitment. (Right now, schools let you reopen your recruitment if the Head Coach leaves after you sign the NLI. Do you know if they let you do that if an assistant leaves? Honest question.) My point is that the players can't be making their most informed choice at 14. I'd like to see the Players have the time to make the best choice they can.

[J.D.]

That's not the coach who recruited him and it's pure speculation that's why he dropped his commitment to UNH. Speculation generated mainly to protect the coach who does the recruiting...

Remember, david quinn would never poach a recruit!!!

[Dan]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

If you think the goalie coach at a school doesn't have a significant impact on whether a goalie recruit attends said school, then I don't know where to start.

If you think that is what I said, then I don't know where to start.

I was responding directly to Agganis and nothing more. Souza recruited Commesso and his decommitting due to Buckley's departure was raised on the UNH thread as a way to rationalize his departure. There has been zero said to lead anyone to believe that might actually be the case. It's just as likely, the goalie coach he DOES work with every day was in his ear about continuing their relationship. It's just as likely he noticed that his commitment to UNH did not lead to any additional impact recruits or signs of promised improvement. It's just as likely, he committed to UNH - the first school to offer and then simply changed his mind (he's just a kid). It's just as likely, that a handful of schools, including BU, did not stop recruiting him despite his verbal commitment.

Until someone speaks to someone who actually knows - it remains simple speculation. BU fans and UNH fans clearly have their own reasons to speculate and rationalize the decision. As far as the UNH recruiting thread is concerned the speculation that the departure of a volunteer coach (a coach who was hardly on campus on a daily basis due to numerous additional responsibilities AND who was given quite a hard time on UNH threads up until this loss/promotion) was the primary or sole cause of Commesso's departure is done mainly to dismiss the idea that the current recruiters simply aren't up for the job. Its another in a laundry list of excuses why little old UNH/UNH recruiters just can't be expected to win games or recruiting battles these days...

I suppose for some its easier to digest the excuses than to address the recruiting red flags facing UNH, recently. Including their glacial pace and passive approach to recruiting, the alarming lack of commitments in general (Let alone high-end talent), the high number of recent decommits (Farabee, Commesso, Ryzek, Masonious, O'Neill x 2) or the fact that UNH's recent downturn started with key decommitments (Many - Laleggia - cited a lack of connection, communication with the coaching staff after verbaling as a significant reason. While other's academic issues -
White/Reid - indicated a critical lack of attention from UNH coaches.)...

The coach who recruited Cale Makar to UMass departed, yet the new coaching staff maintained that commitment anyway...

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And none of this is directed at you, Lemonade. I know you also see significant issues in UNH recruiting. It could well be true Commesso decommited as a result of Buckley leaving the program. I would be much more likely to agree if Commesso was a Buckley disciple like so many other recent UNH goalies. He's not. To me, this is much more indicative of deeper, and often recurring, problems at UNH...

[bothman]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

My takes:

- The Commesso (or should we say "Kush" from Jerry McGuire) handshake clearly isn't made out of oak. I trust he made a conscious and informed choice, but that is something that he will carry with him (good, bad, or indifferent)
- I have no problem with Commesso doing this, especially given the lack of parity that exists once a player walks through the door (kids having to sit a year to transfer vs a coach not having to is a complete joke and conflict of interest). These are young kids and sometimes we forget that with the amount of hype and fanfare they receive. To expect grace and consistency is unrealistic

I would be very interested in an analysis that looks at the success de-commits have had over the years relative to a comparable set of players who remained true to their word. I know that generally speaking, those that have de-committed from Harvard have certainly faired worse than those who have honored their commitment. Small sample size here, but folks like Bracco and Leblanc come to mind as those who have underachieved vs perhaps a Joe Woll who is someone who has succeeded.

Is there a "cost" to de-committing (social, emotional, etc) that would seem to effect future performance?

[Scarlet]

Remember, david quinn would never poach a recruit!!!

You are correct. So nice to see a fan of our rival be so supportive.

[Lemonade]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

If you think that is what I said, then I don't know where to start.

I was responding directly to Agganis and nothing more. Souza recruited Commesso and his decommitting due to Buckley's departure was raised on the UNH thread as a way to rationalize his departure. There has been zero said to lead anyone to believe that might actually be the case. It's just as likely, the goalie coach he DOES work with every day was in his ear about continuing their relationship. It's just as likely he noticed that his commitment to UNH did not lead to any additional impact recruits or signs of promised improvement. It's just as likely, he committed to UNH - the first school to offer and then simply changed his mind (he's just a kid). It's just as likely, that a handful of schools, including BU, did not stop recruiting him despite his verbal commitment.

Until someone speaks to someone who actually knows - it remains simple speculation. BU fans and UNH fans clearly have their own reasons to speculate and rationalize the decision. As far as the UNH recruiting thread is concerned the speculation that the departure of a volunteer coach (a coach who was hardly on campus on a daily basis due to numerous additional responsibilities AND who was given quite a hard time on UNH threads up until this loss/promotion) was the primary or sole cause of Commesso's departure is done mainly to dismiss the idea that the current recruiters simply aren't up for the job. Its another in a laundry list of excuses why little old UNH/UNH recruiters just can't be expected to win games or recruiting battles these days...

I suppose for some its easier to digest the excuses than to address the recruiting red flags facing UNH, recently. Including their glacial pace and passive approach to recruiting, the alarming lack of commitments in general (Let alone high-end talent), the high number of recent decommits (Farabee, Commesso, Ryzek, Masonious, O'Neill x 2) or the fact that UNH's recent downturn started with key decommitments (Many - Laleggia - cited a lack of connection, communication with the coaching staff after verbaling as a significant reason. While other's academic issues -
White/Reid - indicated a critical lack of attention from UNH coaches.)...

The coach who recruited Cale Makar to UMass departed, yet the new coaching staff maintained that commitment anyway...

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And none of this is directed at you, Lemonade. I know you also see significant issues in UNH recruiting. It could well be true Commesso decommited as a result of Buckley leaving the program. I would be much more likely to agree if Commesso was a Buckley disciple like so many other recent UNH goalies. He's not. To me, this is much more indicative of deeper, and often recurring, problems at UNH...

Hey I totally get it. As a UNH fan we could put a list a mile long of late of reasons why a player would decommit from UNH currently. If I had the option of choosing between BU and UNH as they currently are situated hockey wise you would have to be an idiot to pick UNH over BU. It was probably a multitude of reasons - goalie coach left, no recruits committing of late, poor team performance, maybe friends commited elswhere, may want to stay closer to home, etc. etc. Pure fact is decommiting or as its termed nowadays "switching commitments" is common among players. The recruiting system is broken and until its fixed (not sure how) then you cant expect 14 or 15 year olds to make concrete decisions based on their hockey ability and athletic ability so these things are bound to happen. You cant put blame the recruits as they didnt make up the recruiting process they are just playing by the rules. Making contact between a player and school illegal until say late in jr year of high school and have them sign NLI then and get rid of verbals may be a resolution. Got me. Any reason given why Farabee decommited from UNH?

[Rogie21]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

My takes:

I would be very interested in an analysis that looks at the success de-commits have had over the years relative to a comparable set of players who remained true to their word. I know that generally speaking, those that have de-committed from Harvard have certainly faired worse than those who have honored their commitment. Small sample size here, but folks like Bracco and Leblanc come to mind as those who have underachieved vs perhaps a Joe Woll who is someone who has succeeded.

Is there a "cost" to de-committing (social, emotional, etc) that would seem to effect future performance?

Well, there's the case of ex-NU and ex-BU commit Cameron Askew.

[Dan]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

Hey I totally get it. As a UNH fan we could put a list a mile long of late of reasons why a player would decommit from UNH currently. If I had the option of choosing between BU and UNH as they currently are situated hockey wise you would have to be an idiot to pick UNH over BU. It was probably a multitude of reasons - goalie coach left, no recruits committing of late, poor team performance, maybe friends commited elswhere, may want to stay closer to home, etc. etc. Pure fact is decommiting or as its termed nowadays "switching commitments" is common among players. The recruiting system is broken and until its fixed (not sure how) then you cant expect 14 or 15 year olds to make concrete decisions based on their hockey ability and athletic ability so these things are bound to happen. You cant put blame the recruits as they didnt make up the recruiting process they are just playing by the rules. Making contact between a player and school illegal until say late in jr year of high school and have them sign NLI then and get rid of verbals may be a resolution. Got me. Any reason given why Farabee decommited from UNH?

I don't blame Commesso or hold grudges against him in the least. This is a UNH problem and that's my focus. Farabee is another example of coaches at UNH 'neglecting' recruits - the rumor I heard was that when Borek left for PC, he didn't feel like he had a relationship with anyone at UNH. That's what happens when your HC is completely absent from the recruiting process. You clearly can't blame Farabee for his decision either. Though, I'd have put money on him decommitting even if Borek had been the HC-in-waiting choice. Unless UNH gets aggressive in recruiting and strings together high-end commits, the few they do catch in their passive nets are going to have wandering eyes...

Kids are committing too soon, coaches are offering too soon and opposing coaches don't respect verbals enough to stop recruiting commits (it was pretty well known, Commesso was decommitting to go to BU - so somehow it got in his ear that BU had a scholarship for him). Pushing the clock back doesn't work - its far too easy to get around 'contact' rules. Get rid of verbals and allow NLI's to be signed once kids enter HS. The result? Players nor coaches will want that level of commitment so soon and to a large degree early commitments go away...

[Tater]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

Remember, david quinn would never poach a recruit!!!

Has Michael Russo said if Greenway is coming back or not?

[J.D.]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

How to stay on point tater...good work. Need some new material too.

[Tater]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

How to stay on point tater...good work. Need some new material too.

When you answer the question, I'll move on.

[Rogie21]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

Jeff Cox @JeffCoxSports

'02 Donovan Sebrango (CIHA White) commits to BU. Elite offensive left-shot D who plays on same team as fellow Terrier commit Dylan Peterson.

Sebrango, RW Peterson and C Josh Lawrence (Select Academy 16U) all played in 2017 World Selects Invite. Another strong addition to 2020 class that added G Drew Commesso last month . Details.

[CollegeHockeyRinkReport]

Re: BU Recruiting Update, Part 4

Wise remains 'C' grade prospect in Nov. 15 NHL Central Scouting Watch List:

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/nehocke...ticleId1234309

Farabee is a 'A' grade:

http://www.nyhockeyjournal.com/nyhoc...ticleId1234310