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mookie1995
12-09-2015, 12:45 PM
Mookie gave up commenting on FOH a while ago now. It is one ****ed up enterprise. Just send your money and be happy they take it.

Mookie sent $25 to keep his consecutive status in check so he wouldn't lose points. Other than that, forget it.

ericredaxe
12-09-2015, 12:55 PM
I apologize for including the Canadian exhibition game, my mistake. As for the 4 pm games, only the Providence game attendance 'saved' the numbers. If you exclude it then the three remaining 4 pm games dropped 634 per game or 12.8%.


Why exclude the Providence game though? By that logic we could exclude the Wisconsin (saved by parents weekend / big name OOC) or Northeastern (saved by a good contingent of NU fans making the trip across town).

Really IMO the Denver game should be taken out of the discussion as that game was not going to draw regardless of 7 or 4 with it being Halloween.

So if you exclude Denver the 4PM games actually drew better than the others.

brassbonanza
12-09-2015, 01:53 PM
It seems the underlying point here is that the 4pm starts didn't increase attendance in any significant way. I would expect to, and be OK with, seeing a few of them sporadically throughout the year in strategically placed spots. The exhibition is one, a couple of lower-level HE opponents, maybe one semi-important OOC game. Price those games lower, in the $15 tier, and use those games as a promotional tool for youth teams, families, and the like. That said, I would not like to see big matchups like Michigan and PC at 4 pm.

Sean Pickett
12-09-2015, 01:55 PM
Why exclude the Providence game though? By that logic we could exclude the Wisconsin (saved by parents weekend / big name OOC) or Northeastern (saved by a good contingent of NU fans making the trip across town).

Really IMO the Denver game should be taken out of the discussion as that game was not going to draw regardless of 7 or 4 with it being Halloween.

So if you exclude Denver the 4PM games actually drew better than the others.I was just pointing out that the Providence game likely had a significant bump that was not related to the 4 pm start, but to the NC game last season. To confirm this assumption I checked the attendance for all Providence games at Agganis and the last time it exceeded this season's figure was in Oct 2010. In all PC has played 19 games at Agganis and this season's game was only the sixth time attendance topped 5,500.

Nov 2015 - 5,508
Nov 2014 - 4,648
Nov 2013 - 4,185
Oct 2012 - 4,850
Jan 2013 - 5,050
Jan 2012 - 5,171
Feb 2011 - 4,643
Oct 2010 - 5,795
Feb 2010 - 5,528
Jan 2009 - 4,242
Mar 2009 - 4,797
Mar 2008 - 5,532
Dec 2007 - 5,360
Nov 2007 - 5,793
Jan 2006 - 5,233
Mar 2005 - 3,444
Mar 2005 - 3,410
Mar 2005 - 3,214
Jan 2005 - 6,224

However, once you start excluding any game you can find a reason to exclude another one, as you point out. That is why I included all of the games for this season when comparing the 4 pm starts to the non-4 pm starts.

Sean

Agganis
12-09-2015, 02:35 PM
It seems the underlying point here is that the 4pm starts didn't increase attendance in any significant way. I would expect to, and be OK with, seeing a few of them sporadically throughout the year in strategically placed spots. The exhibition is one, a couple of lower-level HE opponents, maybe one semi-important OOC game. Price those games lower, in the $15 tier, and use those games as a promotional tool for youth teams, families, and the like. That said, I would not like to see big matchups like Michigan and PC at 4 pm.

I agree with most of this, the increase was not high enough to justify moving as many games as possible to 4pm. I just wouldn't price the 4pm games lower or be averse to having a PC or Michigan type matchup in one of them.


However, once you start excluding any game you can find a reason to exclude another one, as you point out. That is why I included all of the games for this season when comparing the 4 pm starts to the non-4 pm starts.

It's not about looking for a reason to exclude a game because it doesn't support your conclusions, it's about trying to most accurately determine what the impact of moving some games 3 hours earlier had on attendance for those games. I think including the 4pm Halloween game without comparing it to a 7pm Halloween game makes the numbers less accurate, not more accurate.

Rogie21
12-09-2015, 02:47 PM
Hockey East suspended Brady Shaw one game for his hit on Somerby Saturday night.
http://hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1516/201512/dec9hea.php

Former BU assistant coach and Dean of New England Scouts Bob Crocker will received the Lester Patrick Award next week at the US Hockey Hall of Fame Induction Celebration (http://www.usahockey.com/news_article/show/587081?referrer_id=1093254). Chris Drury is in the 2015 class of inductees. LA Kings posted a Q&A with Bob (http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=790909), putting his story-telling skills to good use. He has three Stanley Cup rings, two BU NCAA championship rings and a Calder Cup ring. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GDGgEbhR6oA/Vcz36JyY4zI/AAAAAAAAHYY/Hsr8tB_BF68/s1600/Crockers%2Brings.jpg

Scarlet
12-09-2015, 03:04 PM
Hockey East suspended Brady Shaw one game for his hit on Somerby Saturday night.
http://hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1516/201512/dec9hea.php

Former BU assistant coach and Dean of New England Scouts Bob Crocker will received the Lester Patrick Award next week at the US Hockey Hall of Fame Induction Celebration (http://www.usahockey.com/news_article/show/587081?referrer_id=1093254). Chris Drury is in the 2015 class of inductees. LA Kings posted a Q&A with Bob (http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=790909), putting his story-telling skills to good use. He has three Stanley Cup rings, two BU NCAA championship rings and a Calder Cup ring. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GDGgEbhR6oA/Vcz36JyY4zI/AAAAAAAAHYY/Hsr8tB_BF68/s1600/Crockers%2Brings.jpg

Very excited to be going to that event. Will try to get some good pics for the blog.

mookie1995
12-09-2015, 03:10 PM
See piccinich is 13-17--30 thru 25 games

Rogie21
12-09-2015, 03:57 PM
Very excited to be going to that event. Will try to get some good pics for the blog.

Thanks, Scarlet. See you at Quinnipiac.

Sean Pickett
12-09-2015, 04:22 PM
It's not about looking for a reason to exclude a game because it doesn't support your conclusions, it's about trying to most accurately determine what the impact of moving some games 3 hours earlier had on attendance for those games. I think including the 4pm Halloween game without comparing it to a 7pm Halloween game makes the numbers less accurate, not more accurate.OK, BU hosted UMass Lowell on Saturday 31 Oct 2009 at 7 pm and attendance was 4,792. The Denver game this season was 3,084 or 1,708 less, a 35.6% decline in attendance.

Sean

Agganis
12-09-2015, 04:37 PM
OK, BU hosted UMass Lowell on Saturday 31 Oct 2009 at 7 pm and attendance was 4,792. The Denver game this season was 3,084 or 1,708 less, a 35.6% decline in attendance.

Sean

How much of a decrease was that from average attendance that fall, and were there any sellouts?

brassbonanza
12-09-2015, 04:43 PM
Boston Hockey Blog ‏@BOShockeyblog 12m12 minutes ago
Grzelcyk "had a setback" in Tuesday's practice and will "probably not" play this weekend per Quinn.

Bomber
12-09-2015, 05:50 PM
And no Hickey. Gonna be a tough weekend. Skate 5? Moran to D?

brassbonanza
12-09-2015, 06:00 PM
And no Hickey. Gonna be a tough weekend. Skate 5? Moran to D?

Switzer in for Hickey

ericredaxe
12-09-2015, 07:01 PM
How much of a decrease was that from average attendance that fall, and were there any sellouts?

I looked up to the same point from that fall:

It looks as if there were 3 sellouts.

10/3/09 - St FX - ??? (Attendance listed as 4 on USCHO???)
10/10/09 - U18 - 5403
10/23/09 - ND - 5648
10/24/09 - Mich - 6221
10/31/09 - UML - 4792
11/14/09 - MC - 5382
11/21/09 - UNH - 6150
12/4/09 - UVM - 5009
12/5/09 - BC - 6150

So the average for the non Halloween games was 5709, so the Halloween game that year drew almost 1000 less than the average (A similar drop to what we saw this year).

Putting the 4PM game debate aside… wow… looking at this, attendance has seriously dropped over the years.

brassbonanza
12-09-2015, 07:19 PM
Putting the 4PM game debate aside… wow… looking at this, attendance has seriously dropped over the years.

That's kind of the underlying problem, attendance is down across the board for nearly everyone. Some schools are responding to it certain ways. It seems BU's 4pm experiment rendered a neutral result. This was discussed among some on Twitter last night, but BU ditching Ticketmaster in favor of a less expensive (for the fan) ticket retailer, such as the one BC uses, might help. Family of four buying tickets to the next home game would be $90+ using the me plus three ticket offer. An equivalent BC game would be roughly $50. Going on the normal face value, it's a $7 per ticket fee on top of $21 face value, so $112 for four tickets. BC charges a flat $10 order charge, so that family of four pays $2.50 per ticket fees on top of a $10 ticket option. BU tiering tickets based on location might be an option worth considering, even though there are few "bad" seats at Agganis.

And I think we all can agree Hockey East needs to rework their deal with ASN/NESN and get rid of these awful 6 pm Friday games. They are infinitely worse for attendance across the board than 4 pm Saturday games.

Bomber
12-09-2015, 07:38 PM
Switzer in for Hickey

Barry's Grandson?

:)

Sean Pickett
12-09-2015, 09:55 PM
10/3/09 - St FX - ??? (Attendance listed as 4 on USCHO???)Hockey East Online lists 4,425. That makes the average attendance excluding the Halloween game 5,548, with the Halloween game 13.6%, or 756, less. If you include the RPI game on 11 Dec, the last home game of the first half, the average attendance was 5,466 and the drop was 12.3%, or 674, less. This season the average attendance excluding the Halloween game was 4,280 with the Halloween game 27.9%. or 1,196, less. So while it is true attendance is down this season from last season and even more so from the 2009-10 season, the Halloween game this season took double the hit that the game in 2009 took.

Speaking of Halloween games, there were 26 DI games this year and the BU-DU game was 11th in attendance. Two Atlantic Hockey games were at the bottom, but the Capital City Classic was a debacle with only 655 fans in attendance for both games, third lowest attendance for the day. The average attendance for all games was 2,762 (counting the C3 twice - if you only count the 2 games as one the average goes up to 2,847).

Sean

Sean Pickett
12-10-2015, 12:44 AM
That's kind of the underlying problem, attendance is down across the board for nearly everyone.Looking at BU's annual average attendance since Agganis opened the average attendance increased slightly for the first full season at HAA and then remained stable in 2006-07 before dropping in 2007-08. Attendance remained pretty stable for the next four seasons before dropping again in both 2012-13 and 2013-14. It rebounded back above the 2012-13 average last season before dropping back to again this season. There are only 6 regular season games left at Agganis, but at least 3 or 4 of them should have good attendance, so the average will likely rise, although any home playoff games will likely lower it. Still, I think the average could end up in the same range as 2012-13.

Back in Aug 2010 I posted average BU season ticket prices (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?91113-Ticket-Price-Elasticity-How-high-would-you-go&p=4845669#post4845669) since 1990 through the 2010-11 season. Unfortunately I don't have the prices for 2011-12 and 2012-13 available and have been unable to find them online, but the past three seasons are below:
2013-14 - $21.94 average
2014-15 - $21.05 average; $15.50 (ex)/$20/$24
2015-16 - $21.05 average; $15.50 (ex)/$20/$24

Below are the average attendance and average season ticket price for each season since Agganis opened. The first attendance number includes exhibition games while the second excludes them (the game vs. the US World Junior team at WBA is not included in last season's average).
2004-05 - 5,256/5,313 - $18
2005-06 - 5,410/5,569 - $18
2006-07 - 5,466/5,498 - $20
2007-08 - 5,138/5,170 - $20
2008-09 - 4,969/5,055 - $21.67
2009-10 - 5,143/5,167 - $21.67
2010-11 - 4,996/5,027 - $22.71
2011-12 - 4,913/4,963
2012-13 - 4,468/4,527
2013-14 - 4,084/4,112 - $21.94
2014-15 - 4,682/4,787 - $21.05
2015-16 - 4,180/4,441 - $21.05

I don't recall season ticket prices rising much, if at all, in 2011-12 and 2012-13, but if anyone has that information I would appreciate it. However, it seems that ticket prices are not the main factor driving the increase and decrease in attendance. Although attendance was not hurt much in 2010-11 or 2011-12 it appears clear that the team's lack of Beanpot and post season success in 2009-10 through 20112-13 took a toll on attendance. Last season's increase can be attributed to Jack Eichel, but it appears that many fans are not sold on the team being back just yet.

Sean

buoldtimer
12-10-2015, 07:47 AM
I noticed that the Pirates traded 2B Neil Walker to the Mets for LHP Jon (No, Honest She's My) Niese.