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Chuck Murray
06-11-2015, 12:33 PM
Just saw the last thread has been closed, so we might as well morph into the midst of the semi-compelling events of the last couple of weeks, and continue to ask questions and speculate about the future of the UNH Men's Hockey program.

No big lead-in this time around ... we'll save that for when the on-ice games start in a few months. But for now, some of the off-ice *games* are starting to get interesting. And with some folks scouring the Umile family tree for genealogical (sp?) hints from the seeds planted earlier this week by the jilted folks down in CT, we could quickly take this one off the grid. Have fun and stay cool, everyone! :cool:

smitre
06-11-2015, 12:56 PM
Chuck, excellent question posed in the referee thread.

bomberhockey
06-11-2015, 01:06 PM
One more concern about UNH Men's Hockey. The Jumbotron is a step in the right direction albeit small but what about facility upgrades/expansions. The building is 20 years old and lacks a great deal of player amenities. There is no lounge for players and they have to hike across the street for weight training. The Whitt was ok when it opened but is a little dated and was done on a tight budget relatively speaking.

Chuck Murray
06-11-2015, 02:34 PM
One more concern about UNH Men's Hockey. The Jumbotron is a step in the right direction albeit small but what about facility upgrades/expansions. The building is 20 years old and lacks a great deal of player amenities. There is no lounge for players and they have to hike across the street :eek: for weight training. The Whitt was ok when it opened but is a little dated and was done on a tight budget relatively speaking.

"Hike across the street" ... jeezus, you make it sound like they're climbing frickin' Everest. I'm sure it's a longer "journey" to the rink from their dorms, I think the poor dears should be able to handle an extra 200 yards across the street ... :rolleyes: ... maybe we can get them a designated crossing guard while we're at it.

Chuck Murray
06-11-2015, 02:36 PM
Chuck, excellent question posed in the referee thread.

There's more where that came from. :D

HockeyRef
06-11-2015, 03:00 PM
One more concern about UNH Men's Hockey. The Jumbotron is a step in the right direction albeit small but what about facility upgrades/expansions. The building is 20 years old and lacks a great deal of player amenities. There is no lounge for players and they have to hike across the street for weight training. The Whitt was ok when it opened but is a little dated and was done on a tight budget relatively speaking.

Where did I read they were getting a new dedicated weight room in the renovation at the old Snively? Good thing coz I'd hate to think they have to walk across the street for another minute! 😉.

Seriously it would be nice if our players had the same kind of cool stuff that other teams have as long as they perform on the ice. But is that the kind of stuff we really need to sweat over to attract a recruit?

As per a future Whitt renovation that has to be way down the list...across the street is the priority now...We aren't BU sadly with tons of $$$

Ps I went to just about every HE venue last year except UConn and ND and I love our barn...bet there are things they could do with it to improve it that might not be a ton of money. But it will never be a Tsongas or an Agganis (my fav as you know).

Dan
06-11-2015, 03:06 PM
"Our national studies show that a program’s facilities – the track, the weight room, stadium, and other areas where they will spend time as an athlete – actually factors very little into [a recruits] final decision as to whether or not they accept your offer. Yet, facilities and the surroundings are usually one of the things that a coach will primarily focus on in their recruiting; moreover, I’ve seen coaches base their entire recruiting strategy around what they feel those facilities will sell to a potential student-athlete."

http://dantudor.com/facilities-just-how-important-are-they-to-your-recruits/

I absolutely HATE hearing all of the excuses as to WHY UNH can't compete for recruits. If the coaches at UNH have lost their belief that UNH and the Whitt have a lot to offer than they should be leaving for greener pastures because they will no longer be able to sell recruits on their program and university. The Whitt is still WELL ABOVE average in terms of college facilities and MILES ahead of the homes of recent National Champions Yale, Union and Providence. As Tudor, who heavily studies recruiting for a living, states (and as I've learned first hand as a recruiter) facilities very often DO NOT have a dramatic impact on recruiting and until players are transferring out because they hate the UNH experience then facilities really aren't an issue...

Good facilities, good academics, great campus, great location - any good recruiter should be able to sell the heck out of UNH. If there is ANY negative that exists now, that didn't exist in the early years of the Whitt it is the game day atmosphere. THAT is lacking and certainly doesn't sell recruits like it used too...

HockeyRef
06-11-2015, 03:15 PM
Dan talk more about the 'game day' atmosphere? I mean besides going to Libby's...what is there? Seriously I know there are pre game like things for FOMH members etc...

NCAA watcher
06-11-2015, 03:17 PM
Well said, Dan. Of course, if coach wants to kick back some of his salary, .... It's an easy excuse that may be valid in 5%of the cases, but ignores that we have secured commitments from All-Americans and/or all stars Laleggia and vecchione and cam Reid, Matt white and dan Kolomatis and Keith Yandle. We lost those because the coaches either screwed up by deferring the player, or by failing to monitor the recruit's academic development to ensure they would be eligible. Let's focus on basics before we focus on the "easy" excuses.

Dan
06-11-2015, 03:24 PM
Dan talk more about the 'game day' atmosphere? I mean besides going to Libby's...what is there? Seriously I know there are pre game like things for FOMH members etc...

I'm speaking more about the atmosphere inside the Whitt. Now, I was younger then, but I remember the place being packed, loud and electric. There were times when the crowd rose up and seemingly willed UNH to score in a key situation. The home atmosphere used to be daunting to opponents and incredibly attractive, I'd imagine, to recruits. Now its rarely, if ever, close to full and the only people making any noise at all are the students. Its not close to what it once was...

HockeyRef
06-11-2015, 03:45 PM
I'm speaking more about the atmosphere inside the Whitt. Now, I was younger then, but I remember the place being packed, loud and electric. There were times when the crowd rose up and seemingly willed UNH to score in a key situation. The home atmosphere used to be daunting to opponents and incredibly attractive, I'd imagine, to recruits. Now its rarely, if ever, close to full and the only people making any noise at all are the students. Its not close to what it once was...

Ok so you know my time there has been very limited and watching those old You Tubes of the Snively days are amazing. The place can be morgue like and one can hear a pin drop on occassion. Or worse yet the buzzing of the overhead lights...
Sitting where we do right next to the kids they do try to get some cheers going but they are not constant like say the noise at Conte. And to be honest that's one reason I might NOT go to Conte again (watch it on Tv) or def not sit near the student section. Haha. But I give the 'Cat Pack ' Capts credit coz they are trying. Maybe the new Tron will be a difference maker but I doubt the current crowd at the Whitt wants to do that dance or worse yet kiss cam stuff 😝

JB
06-11-2015, 04:25 PM
Well said, Dan. Of course, if coach wants to kick back some of his salary, .... It's an easy excuse that may be valid in 5%of the cases, but ignores that we have secured commitments from All-Americans and/or all stars Laleggia and vecchione and cam Reid, Matt white and dan Kolomatis and Keith Yandle. We lost those because the coaches either screwed up by deferring the player, or by failing to monitor the recruit's academic development to ensure they would be eligible. Let's focus on basics before we focus on the "easy" excuses.

I think the clearest way to express this in UNH terms is: The football program had/has a right to complain about facilities. That stadium is so far out of date compared to the competition. You would have to expect those facility limitations had some impact. This assumes that the University should have a football team and all those costs.

Hockey on the other hand I have a hard time not throwing the B.S. flag, it may now be 20 years old but it is still better or comparable to most D1 teams.

HockeyRef
06-11-2015, 04:37 PM
Well said, Dan. Of course, if coach wants to kick back some of his salary, .... It's an easy excuse that may be valid in 5%of the cases, but ignores that we have secured commitments from All-Americans and/or all stars Laleggia and vecchione and cam Reid, Matt white and dan Kolomatis and Keith Yandle. We lost those because the coaches either screwed up by deferring the player, or by failing to monitor the recruit's academic development to ensure they would be eligible. Let's focus on basics before we focus on the "easy" excuses.

So that was then and this is now? UNH is alone in that kind of stuff? Here's hoping the mistakes of the past become the lessons for the future. The arrival of what I believe are two savvy assistants who have the ability to turn those issues around. Those players we have now are excited and eager.

One of the last games of the season I chatted with Dylan Chanter and Mike McNicholas and can still hear and see the conviction in both of their excitement for next season. "I cannot wait". Me neither. Flame away!

The Zlax45
06-11-2015, 05:04 PM
"Our national studies show that a program’s facilities – the track, the weight room, stadium, and other areas where they will spend time as an athlete – actually factors very little into [a recruits] final decision as to whether or not they accept your offer. Yet, facilities and the surroundings are usually one of the things that a coach will primarily focus on in their recruiting; moreover, I’ve seen coaches base their entire recruiting strategy around what they feel those facilities will sell to a potential student-athlete."

http://dantudor.com/facilities-just-how-important-are-they-to-your-recruits/

I absolutely HATE hearing all of the excuses as to WHY UNH can't compete for recruits. If the coaches at UNH have lost their belief that UNH and the Whitt have a lot to offer than they should be leaving for greener pastures because they will no longer be able to sell recruits on their program and university. The Whitt is still WELL ABOVE average in terms of college facilities and MILES ahead of the homes of recent National Champions Yale, Union and Providence. As Tudor, who heavily studies recruiting for a living, states (and as I've learned first hand as a recruiter) facilities very often DO NOT have a dramatic impact on recruiting and until players are transferring out because they hate the UNH experience then facilities really aren't an issue...

Good facilities, good academics, great campus, great location - any good recruiter should be able to sell the heck out of UNH. If there is ANY negative that exists now, that didn't exist in the early years of the Whitt it is the game day atmosphere. THAT is lacking and certainly doesn't sell recruits like it used too...

I don't think you recognize what is underneath Scheinder Arena for the players...A full training room for both hockey programs and lacrosse, an excellent weight room just for the three sports, a shooting room, locker rooms, etc...

Some of the facilities are showcased here for the lax team and the hockey team has their own meeting room which is similar to PC's.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/fall-all-access-providence/30158

Chuck Murray
06-11-2015, 06:54 PM
I think the clearest way to express this in UNH terms is: The football program had/has a right to complain about facilities. That stadium is so far out of date compared to the competition. You would have to expect those facility limitations had some impact. This assumes that the University should have a football team and all those costs.

There are at least three (3) superior HS football facilities to Cowell Stadium within a 15-20 minute drive from Durham. And no, that is not an exaggeration. And let's just say NH isn't exactly Texas in how it views the importance of HS football.

That example alone renders the importance of facilities argument for recruiting success dead in the water.

Snively65
06-11-2015, 08:08 PM
"Hike across the street" ... jeezus, you make it sound like they're climbing frickin' Everest. I'm sure it's a longer "journey" to the rink from their dorms, I think the poor dears should be able to handle an extra 200 yards across the street ... :rolleyes: ... maybe we can get them a designated crossing guard while we're at it.

"I am so old that I remember when......." UNH played their hockey games in the outdoor Batchelder Rink, with the locker rooms and showers across the parking lot in what was then named New Hampshire Hall (not sure about the name now?). UNH hockey became Div 1 in 1963, after they had recruited Dude Thorn (RW) and Brad(en) Houston from Ontario, Canada, eh. Those two guys were seniors in 1965-1966 season, when I saw Houston score the first UNH goal in Snively with a booming slap shot from the point (completes the trivia question on who scored the first and last goals in Snively; glad that I got to see both of those). Other players on that team included Joe Bartlett, Bill Noble, and the Rothwell brothers, Bill H and Bill J. Also, Rube Bjorkman arrived from Minnesota as an assistant coach for the 1965-1966 season, when UNH joined ECAC-2, then ECAC the next year. Bjorkman became head coach for the 1968-1969 season, reaping the benefits of fine recruiting efforts, some of his own, which included seniors Graham Bruder, Rich David, Mickey Goulet, Mike Ontkean (of Hollywood fame, and 'Slap Shot'), and Dave Sheen, and sophomore Louis Frigon. The next season's team included sophomores Ryan Brant, John Gray, Bill Munroe, Guy Smith, and Richard Umile. Of course, by then, recruiting had to be much easier with the transition from Batchelder to Snively. :-)

bomberhockey
06-11-2015, 09:50 PM
"I am so old that I remember when......." UNH played their hockey games in the outdoor Batchelder Rink, with the locker rooms and showers across the parking lot in what was then named New Hampshire Hall (not sure about the name now?). UNH hockey became Div 1 in 1963, after they had recruited Dude Thorn (RW) and Brad(en) Houston from Ontario, Canada, eh. Those two guys were seniors in 1965-1966 season, when I saw Houston score the first UNH goal in Snively with a booming slap shot from the point (completes the trivia question on who scored the first and last goals in Snively; glad that I got to see both of those). Other players on that team included Joe Bartlett, Bill Noble, and the Rothwell brothers, Bill H and Bill J. Also, Rube Bjorkman arrived from Minnesota as an assistant coach for the 1965-1966 season, when UNH joined ECAC-2, then ECAC the next year. Bjorkman became head coach for the 1968-1969 season, reaping the benefits of fine recruiting efforts, some of his own, which included seniors Graham Bruder, Rich David, Mickey Goulet, Mike Ontkean (of Hollywood fame, and 'Slap Shot'), and Dave Sheen, and sophomore Louis Frigon. The next season's team included sophomores Ryan Brant, John Gray, Bill Munroe, Guy Smith, and Richard Umile. Of course, by then, recruiting had to be much easier with the transition from Batchelder to Snively. :-)
Pretty sure UNH was still Div2 until right around the arrival of Holt and Umile the player. I saw my first game in 65 and I know they were Div. 2 then. I was a kid and they beat a D1 BC on the road. Umile got there in 68ish so maybe 67? Rich David, Graham Bruder a 2 year captain I think..

bomberhockey
06-11-2015, 09:56 PM
"I am so old that I remember when......." UNH played their hockey games in the outdoor Batchelder Rink, with the locker rooms and showers across the parking lot in what was then named New Hampshire Hall (not sure about the name now?). UNH hockey became Div 1 in 1963, after they had recruited Dude Thorn (RW) and Brad(en) Houston from Ontario, Canada, eh. Those two guys were seniors in 1965-1966 season, when I saw Houston score the first UNH goal in Snively with a booming slap shot from the point (completes the trivia question on who scored the first and last goals in Snively; glad that I got to see both of those). Other players on that team included Joe Bartlett, Bill Noble, and the Rothwell brothers, Bill H and Bill J. Also, Rube Bjorkman arrived from Minnesota as an assistant coach for the 1965-1966 season, when UNH joined ECAC-2, then ECAC the next year. Bjorkman became head coach for the 1968-1969 season, reaping the benefits of fine recruiting efforts, some of his own, which included seniors Graham Bruder, Rich David, Mickey Goulet, Mike Ontkean (of Hollywood fame, and 'Slap Shot'), and Dave Sheen, and sophomore Louis Frigon. The next season's team included sophomores Ryan Brant, John Gray, Bill Munroe, Guy Smith, and Richard Umile. Of course, by then, recruiting had to be much easier with the transition from Batchelder to Snively. :-)
Fighting was still a part of the college still. Guy Smith I remember had a passion for that part of the game.. Perennial Yankee Conference champs! I believe Billy Munroe, Umile and no brains McShane were line mates. Good memories for sure.

Snively65
06-11-2015, 09:59 PM
Pretty sure UNH was still Div2 until right around the arrival of Holt and Umile the player. I saw my first game in 65 and I know they were Div. 2 then. I was a kid and they beat a D1 BC on the road. Umile got there in 68ish so maybe 67? Rich David, Graham Bruder a 2 year captain I think..

Pretty sure that the Cats became Div 1 before the 1965-66 season; Umile and others were sophomores on the 1969-1970 team; frosh did not play on the varsity then.

Snively65
06-11-2015, 11:11 PM
Fighting was still a part of the college still. Guy Smith I remember had a passion for that part of the game.. Perennial Yankee Conference champs! I believe Billy Munroe, Umile and no brains McShane were line mates. Good memories for sure.

Yikes, good call on Mike McShane, bomber; how could I leave him out? McShane was a sophomore with Louis Frigon on the 1968-1969 team, a year ahead of Umile and the others. And, what a fantastic coaching career for McShane: 2 yrs asst at Dartmouth, 2 yrs head coach at St Lawrence, 9 yrs head coach at PC, and then 12 years head coach at Norwich, where he won some Div 3 titles before retiring after the 2013-2014 season.