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Chuck Schwartz
06-29-2015, 01:26 PM
The only reason to bring in guys who would play on UW Platteville's club team is HOPEFULLY UW get some talent down the road and these guys can just disappear from the roster. Equalize classes, all that kind of stuff.

I am not bashing UWP's club hockey team either, I went to UWP, but I think Chuck is spot on, these guys don't belong at a DI program.

Doesn't really help next season or in the development of the actual good players on the team. I wonder if JJ Watt has some time to help at a few practices.

I'll be curious to see how many of these guys finish their careers at Wisconsin. I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as it used to be to have attrition take over to clear the unwanted players from your roster. Back in October the Big Ten became the first major conference to guarantee scholarships through the duration of an athlete's enrollment. It's rarely talked about publicly, but schools all over cut kids every year. Wisconsin has done it in the past. Now they won't be able to, at least with scholarship players.

While the guys we're talking about likely aren't on a major scholarship, I believe it's been talked about here from someone that knows the process better than I do, that even the walk-on type guys get a very small "book scholarship" so they can still eat the free meals, etc. I believe they have to receive some sort of aid to get the training table benefits. Could be wrong though.

Will be curious to see how that changes things going forward.

Almington
06-30-2015, 01:21 AM
I'll be curious to see how many of these guys finish their careers at Wisconsin. I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as it used to be to have attrition take over to clear the unwanted players from your roster. Back in October the Big Ten became the first major conference to guarantee scholarships through the duration of an athlete's enrollment. It's rarely talked about publicly, but schools all over cut kids every year. Wisconsin has done it in the past. Now they won't be able to, at least with scholarship players.

While the guys we're talking about likely aren't on a major scholarship, I believe it's been talked about here from someone that knows the process better than I do, that even the walk-on type guys get a very small "book scholarship" so they can still eat the free meals, etc. I believe they have to receive some sort of aid to get the training table benefits. Could be wrong though.

Will be curious to see how that changes things going forward.

I suspect that the player will be guaranteed what was promised in the NLI that they signed. If they don't sign a NLI, they were not promised any scholarship money and nothing would be given beyond the years they were on the team.

gwhinwi
07-01-2015, 04:50 PM
Brian Posick is reporting that Luke Opilka will not be playing for the Badgers.

https://twitter.com/brian_posick/status/616347050964328448

This season keeps looking better and better.

WiscTJK
07-01-2015, 04:51 PM
What a joke.

Things get worse and worse....

gwhinwi
07-01-2015, 04:52 PM
I still have eligibility left if they want a 41 year old B level goaltender.

solovsfett
07-01-2015, 06:24 PM
Brian Posick is reporting that Luke Opilka will not be playing for the Badgers.

https://twitter.com/brian_posick/status/616347050964328448

This season keeps looking better and better.

Is this the kid who almost backed out of his commitment earlier? Chuck had alluded to a kid who almost backed out around the time boeser backed out

Timothy A
07-01-2015, 08:32 PM
Chuck has confirmed the oPILLka is a goner.

Serenity Now! Serenity Now!

IndianaBadger1995
07-01-2015, 09:54 PM
On the bright side Eaves will be fired after this year. Maybe Alvarez too #BringBackPatRichter

Timothy A
07-01-2015, 11:05 PM
On the bright side Eaves will be fired after this year. Maybe Alvarez too #BringBackPatRichter

Jason King just can't sit there and ignore all the top guys who have de-committed, but on the other hand, he and BA will give the 2 assistants and MM at least 2 years. This may have torpedo'ed any chances of a double digit win year.

Gurtholfin
07-02-2015, 10:00 AM
On the bright side Eaves will be fired after this year. Maybe Alvarez too #BringBackPatRichter


No... he won't ever be fired.

He'll leave on his terms.

Almington
07-02-2015, 10:07 AM
Jason King just can't sit there and ignore all the top guys who have de-committed, but on the other hand, he and BA will give the 2 assistants and MM at least 2 years. This may have torpedo'ed any chances of a double digit win year.

The athletic department can ignore A LOT of emails, what they can't ignore is people not buying tickets and not going to games.

The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. Both love and hate show a strong emotional bond, once that bond is broken it is very hard to repair.

I don't think that the power that be understand the depths at which apathy has struck the UW hockey fanbase.

drop_the_puck
07-02-2015, 10:10 AM
The athletic department can ignore A LOT of emails, what they can't ignore is people not buying tickets and not going to games.

The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. Both love and hate show a strong emotional bond, once that bond is broken it is very hard to repair.

I don't think that the power that be understand the depths at which apathy has struck the UW hockey fanbase.

I literally just read an article about how Barry brought the football program back from a level of apathy that is exactly where the hockey program is headed. He may not be a good AD, but he should know what it takes to turn a program back in the right direction. However, that would require caring about said program in the first place.

Gurtholfin
07-02-2015, 10:14 AM
I don't think that the power that be understand the depths at which apathy has struck the UW hockey fanbase.


Look at me. I was once a rabid and combative fan with tix to both nights.

I went to one game last year and regretted wasting the hundo.

I may go to a game this year, but that will only be for my youngest son who always asks to go as Badger hockey games are his favorite event to attend.


Beyond that, I doubt I'll even watch or listen to too many games. Apathy is firmly rooted and there are thousands of others just like me.

It's not that they're losing, it's that they (the powers that be) are incapable of even recognizing a problem, let alone know what to do about it - Just like the Blackhawks of 1998 - 2006.

If you're not even trying to be successful, why would I waste my time and emotion on you?

Almington
07-02-2015, 10:20 AM
I literally just read an article about how Barry brought the football program back from a level of apathy that is exactly where the hockey program is headed. He may not be a good AD, but he should know what it takes to turn a program back in the right direction. However, that would require caring about said program in the first place.

Football (and Basketball for that matter) have the significant advantage of massive media coverage that helps keep the program in the public's view as things improve, that isn't going to happen with the hockey program going forward.

Given another single win season, they may as well just have the men play at LaBaan, because that's about as far as the fan base will have eroded to.

solovsfett
07-02-2015, 11:18 AM
The athletic department can ignore A LOT of emails, what they can't ignore is people not buying tickets and not going to games.

The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. Both love and hate show a strong emotional bond, once that bond is broken it is very hard to repair.

I don't think that the power that be understand the depths at which apathy has struck the UW hockey fanbase.

Exactly. Fwiw I emailed JK but I have no illusion he'll actually read it much less respond

WiscTJK
07-02-2015, 11:22 AM
Exactly. Fwiw I emailed JK but I have no illusion he'll actually read it much less respond

he never has responded to me, but I know he has responded to others.

XYZ
07-02-2015, 11:51 AM
I literally just read an article about how Barry brought the football program back from a level of apathy that is exactly where the hockey program is headed. He may not be a good AD, but he should know what it takes to turn a program back in the right direction. However, that would require caring about said program in the first place.

Read the same article and had that exact same thought while reading it.

WiscDC
07-02-2015, 12:04 PM
I literally just read an article about how Barry brought the football program back from a level of apathy that is exactly where the hockey program is headed. He may not be a good AD, but he should know what it takes to turn a program back in the right direction. However, that would require caring about said program in the first place.


Football (and Basketball for that matter) have the significant advantage of massive media coverage that helps keep the program in the public's view as things improve, that isn't going to happen with the hockey program going forward.

I was about to reply with what Almington said. If a college football team is garbage for years and years and years, the fans will see college football as a big deal. They'll just know that the program is garbage. By putting the pieces in place to start winning, it's a lot easier to get football fans back on board as the turnaround happens. If the equivalent tools are in place for a hockey team in the same spot, it will be much harder for them to take the next steps, and most fans won't be on board.

Do you guys remember the 2013-14 season? That was one of the best teams in the country. Forget the cliches about "winning the big one." They lost one game against a decent UND team, but prior to that one game, they were 4th in the whole country. They came off of an exciting conference tournament win, and had "a #1 seed" in the national tournament. Typical sports fans around town who weren't actively seeking hockey news just kind of assumed the team was in the middle of the pack going into the tournament. Meanwhile, @UWMadison, @WisconsinBadgers, and their equivalent facebook accounts were going NUTS when the basketball team was in the same spot. It was absolutely impossible to miss. This isn't just about college basketball being more popular than college hockey. Among students, the basketball team wasn't important to most students during my freshman year, 2011-12. Students were attempting to give tickets away to games all the time, and enthusiasm surrounding the team was incredibly tepid. An increase in success and a little hype changed all of that. When the hockey team had the same level of success, people were pretty much only aware of it if their hockey-loving friends talked about it all the time.

At this point, of course, the problems run deep, which compounds the difficulty of reviving the program, [big number]-fold.

Timothy A
07-02-2015, 12:34 PM
he never has responded to me, but I know he has responded to others.

He actually called me, we discussed a few issues with the UW women's program (schedule and lack of band). He was nice. He blamed Lecrone for the band thing and said they are trying not to schedule stupid Friday aft games. Anyway, the email I just sent him was a lot tougher than that one. I got an auto-reply that he's out of the office until July 8th. Keep sending them, fill his in box.

solovsfett
07-02-2015, 12:45 PM
awesome TimothyA! I emailed him (King) a couple of hours ago and got the out-of-office response as well.

I'm worried they really think they can head into this season with Eaves and somehow he can turn things around. I honestly think it's impossible for Eaves to do that. He's poisoned the well and it will be up to someone else to repair and rebuild.

Remember when Boston College was sort of moribund for a decade (possibly more?)? yeah, that was pre-Jerry York, pre-Marty Reasoner era...that just may be where Wisconsin is right now. Entering a decade of ****. Absolute ****.