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IndianaBadger1995
06-23-2015, 08:14 PM
I don't think the authorities in Italy are saying that for the boat captain who ran his cruise liner into the shore killing several people...."hey just get out there and captain another boat to see if you aren't a **** up anymore...."

While Eaves hasn't killed anyone (that we know of), other than the program, he is still the same captain in charge of the same ship.

At this point, the ship has to turn around (to some degree) because getting 4 wins again would be nearly impossible unless the team employed no goalie the entire season. This strategy would surprise me, because Eaves is incredibly reluctant to pull the goalie when down anyway until there is only one or two chances left in the game to tie. I would say I'm glad he plays it safe, if that was a successful mantra which didn't lead to immense fan disappointment, too many seasons on the wrong side of the PWR bubble, and snagging defeat from the jaws of victory when up by 2 or 3 goals w/ regularity.
Calm down, I'm saying that Wisconsin has to play (and win) some games before much of this recruiting disappointment is going to change. Top recruits don't want to go to a 4 win school. In order to get future top recruits we have to win AT LEAST 15-20 games next year. That would be said REGARDLESS of if Eaves was the coach or not. Should he have been fired? Yes. But he wasn't and bashing him now that he has a staff hired is pointless. Quit *****ing about him. I'm sick of it.

Complaining about when he pulls the goalie? Really?

I'd say they've got to win quite a few recruiting battles for elite talent and then do that year over year to be successful again, and I define success as 22-26 wins annually, ncaa's 80% of the time and making FF's 50% of the time that they get in the tourney. Winning ncaa titles: 1 every 6-7 years. Standards lower than that are not UW hockey standards imo
I agree with most of this but in order to get those top recruits you have to have winning seasons. This past year was disgraceful and probably why he's not winning many recruiting battles. See above.

I guarantee you there are some absolute rock heads on the football team.
No doubt since we've got Barry. Also didn't Andersen leave because he couldn't get the players he wanted due to academics?

oldicecoach
06-23-2015, 08:33 PM
It is very hard to be a Badger, which is part of why it's also an honor. I like it that way.

It gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling to know we have the smartest 4-26 team in the country. Not.

Wisko McBadgerton
06-23-2015, 08:41 PM
I guarantee you there are some absolute rock heads on the football team.


Absolutely

Maybe you guys are correct, I don't know for sure. I do know that Badger Football ranks #1 in all of FBS in 4 year Academic Progress Rate (998). Just ahead of Duke, Stanford, and Northwestern.

Bonin21
06-23-2015, 08:42 PM
It gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling to know we have the smartest 4-26 team in the country. Not.
Not the smartest 4 win team, though.

solovsfett
06-23-2015, 10:01 PM
Maybe you guys are correct, I don't know for sure. I do know that Badger Football ranks #1 in all of FBS in 4 year Academic Progress Rate (998). Just ahead of Duke, Stanford, and Northwestern.

google (this time) is your friend. check out any of badger football player arrested for: stealing, battery, and on and on. Yeah sure, some of the robbers (Nick Davis maybe? nah, he was a dolt and 1/2) are MENSA candidates, but surely not this entire list of winners

ExileOnDaytonStreet
06-23-2015, 10:15 PM
I guarantee you there are some absolute rock heads on the football team.

Oh there are. Even here, where we just had a coach quit in part because of our relative lack of bending academic standards.

The idea that college athletics in any way represents the university is one of the biggest lies of the NCAA.

WiscTJK
06-24-2015, 08:58 AM
Calm down, I'm saying that Wisconsin has to play (and win) some games before much of this recruiting disappointment is going to change. Top recruits don't want to go to a 4 win school. In order to get future top recruits we have to win AT LEAST 15-20 games next year. That would be said REGARDLESS of if Eaves was the coach or not. Should he have been fired? Yes. But he wasn't and bashing him now that he has a staff hired is pointless. Quit *****ing about him. I'm sick of it.



Quit bashing him? Why? Instead of taking responsibility for the crappy assistants he hired and the poor talent on the team he fired his assistants when given the ulitimaturm by Barry. He took the easy way out. Just because he now has assistant coaches, we are supposed to be happy we have him as a our head coach?

oldicecoach
06-24-2015, 11:47 AM
Not the smartest 4 win team, though.
You got me on that one, didn't mean to slight Princeton with their 4 wins and higher SAT scores.

IndianaBadger1995
06-24-2015, 04:15 PM
Quit bashing him? Why? Instead of taking responsibility for the crappy assistants he hired and the poor talent on the team he fired his assistants when given the ulitimaturm by Barry. He took the easy way out. Just because he now has assistant coaches, we are supposed to be happy we have him as a our head coach?

No, but it'd be quite appreciated if you'd take your negativity to the athletic department where it would actually be useful, not on some message board. It's ****ing annoying reading the constant whining amongst posters on here. Get a grip or use the energy somewhere where it'd be effective.

UWisco
06-24-2015, 07:20 PM
No, but it'd be quite appreciated if you'd take your negativity to the athletic department where it would actually be useful, not on some message board. It's ****ing annoying reading the constant whining amongst posters on here. Get a grip or use the energy somewhere where it'd be effective.

Ditto

Gandalf the Red
06-24-2015, 07:56 PM
No, but it'd be quite appreciated if you'd take your negativity to the athletic department where it would actually be useful, not on some message board. It's ****ing annoying reading the constant whining amongst posters on here. Get a grip or use the energy somewhere where it'd be effective.

But your whining about my whining is totally justified because you feel a certain way that is different from me? Noted.

Chuck Schwartz
06-24-2015, 08:14 PM
Maybe we could just talk about recruiting in this thread eh? Just a thought. ;)

UWisco
06-24-2015, 08:43 PM
Maybe we could just talk about recruiting in this thread eh? Just a thought. ;)

Jack Becker, any good and what year would he be coming in?

IndianaBadger1995
06-24-2015, 08:54 PM
But your whining about my whining is totally justified because you feel a certain way that is different from me? Noted.
It's not whining, it's making a suggestion.

Ditto
I wish I could say something to the athletic department. I've got a lot to say but I don't have much a way of communicating it. I don't have season tickets (I did from 06-08). I went to two games this past year. You think they are gonna listen to some college student who doesn't even attend Madison?

Maybe we could just talk about recruiting in this thread eh? Just a thought. ;)
Sorry Chuck, I just get sick of the complaining and negativity around here. Badger Bob would be so disappointed not only at the state of the program but also in the fans attitudes. Hockey is supposed to be about fun but people put so much emphasis on the little things nowadays. I'd love to see either a 2-1 nail-biter or a 6-5 goal scoring fiasco with a packed house. After we won the championship in 06 the crowds that came to the games were incredible. If they felt the Badgers got screwed they'd make sure the refs **** well knew it. Nowadays it's all about pointing fingers and threatening to not renew season tickets. Just one year ago we came off one of Eaves' best teams record-wise and people still couldn't buy into it. The Kohl Center had what, 10,000 fans (2/3 full) for a Friday night showdown with two top teams in Wisconsin and Minnesota? That's disgraceful from a fan perspective. Maybe people just aren't interested in hockey any more. It's a shame cause if I could I'd go to every freaking game this next season I would, not because it's just about winning but because I love hockey and the Badgers and I'm not some bandwagon fan who will bail like Hawks fans pre Kane and Toews because they aren't winning. No, I'm not saying any of you guys are bandwagon fans specifically. Just something that annoys me about our fanbase.

/rant

So what are the forward lines looking like for next year with the new puppies?

Chuck Schwartz
06-24-2015, 11:52 PM
Jack Becker, any good and what year would he be coming in?

Starting with the year thing first...I have no idea. It's hard to decipher the plan at this point. By sheer numbers he'd be pushed out until 2018 which means if he skips his senior season to play in the USHL he could potentially be a 3-year guy in junior hockey. While that's not unheard of, it's somewhat rare.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is Wisconsin's updated projected forwards depth chart with the commitment of <a href="https://twitter.com/jack_becker7">@jack_becker7</a> <a href="http://t.co/jzkvUHmkPH">pic.twitter.com/jzkvUHmkPH</a></p>&mdash; Andy Johnson (@AndyJohnsonB5Q) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndyJohnsonB5Q/status/613104219197870080">June 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I guess they could bring him in for 2016 but that would require him to 100% play in the USHL this season. Based on my observations he's at best a 20-point, third-line guy for Sioux Falls next year. He has some projectable traits but was very mediocre in the Elite League against Minnesota's best high schoolers last season. While he had big numbers in single A hockey, including a hat trick at the state tournament, that means nothing if you can't stand out during Elite League competition (IMO). Probably not a guy you want to bring in for 2016 if you don't have to.

When it gets to 2017 Zimmer, Mersch and Olischefski almost have to come in. Cruikshank could also be pushing on that door depending on his transition to the USHL.

I think Becker a depth guy and I'm not sure where he slots in. I have a million concerns with the group of forwards Wisconsin has lined up right now. On their own, you could make a case for any of them being recruited by Wisconsin. As a group, an EXTREMELY underwhelming lot of forwards for the future. A bunch of guys that are pretty good. Zero game changers. Zero Turris'. Zero Kerdiles'.

It's probably going to be a long few years boys and girls.

Timothy A
06-25-2015, 07:06 AM
I think Becker a depth guy and I'm not sure where he slots in. I have a million concerns with the group of forwards Wisconsin has lined up right now. On their own, you could make a case for any of them being recruited by Wisconsin. As a group, an EXTREMELY underwhelming lot of forwards for the future. A bunch of guys that are pretty good. Zero game changers. Zero Turris'. Zero Kerdiles'.

It's probably going to be a long few years boys and girls.

Well, that sucks the positivity right out of a guy. Even if Strand is a recruiting genius, his hands are basically tied for the next 4 years unless they over-recruit and then let the strong push the weak out of the nest.

WiscTJK
06-25-2015, 07:35 AM
No, but it'd be quite appreciated if you'd take your negativity to the athletic department where it would actually be useful, not on some message board. It's ****ing annoying reading the constant whining amongst posters on here. Get a grip or use the energy somewhere where it'd be effective.

Multiple unanswered emails and he is still the coach, after a 4 win season. Yep that worked. Maybe if I was in the good ole boy group or a larger donater, my words would be answered. Nope I am just a simple season ticket holder who has to watch this atrocious product and long for the good ole days. I don't deserve some accountability for the worst year in the modern era of badger hockey.

WiscTJK
06-25-2015, 07:42 AM
Starting with the year thing first...I have no idea. It's hard to decipher the plan at this point. By sheer numbers he'd be pushed out until 2018 which means if he skips his senior season to play in the USHL he could potentially be a 3-year guy in junior hockey. While that's not unheard of, it's somewhat rare.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is Wisconsin's updated projected forwards depth chart with the commitment of <a href="https://twitter.com/jack_becker7">@jack_becker7</a> <a href="http://t.co/jzkvUHmkPH">pic.twitter.com/jzkvUHmkPH</a></p>— Andy Johnson (@AndyJohnsonB5Q) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndyJohnsonB5Q/status/613104219197870080">June 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guess they could bring him in for 2016 but that would require him to 100% play in the USHL this season. Based on my observations he's at best a 20-point, third-line guy for Sioux Falls next year. He has some projectable traits but was very mediocre in the Elite League against Minnesota's best high schoolers last season. While he had big numbers in single A hockey, including a hat trick at the state tournament, that means nothing if you can't stand out during Elite League competition (IMO). Probably not a guy you want to bring in for 2016 if you don't have to.

When it gets to 2017 Zimmer, Mersch and Olischefski almost have to come in. Cruikshank could also be pushing on that door depending on his transition to the USHL.

I think Becker a depth guy and I'm not sure where he slots in. I have a million concerns with the group of forwards Wisconsin has lined up right now. On their own, you could make a case for any of them being recruited by Wisconsin. As a group, an EXTREMELY underwhelming lot of forwards for the future. A bunch of guys that are pretty good. Zero game changers. Zero Turris'. Zero Kerdiles'.

It's probably going to be a long few years boys and girls.

I won't say anything except that this isn't that surprising. Don't want to point fingers and anger Indiana and Wisko.

solovsfett
06-25-2015, 08:35 AM
Multiple unanswered emails and he is still the coach, after a 4 win season. Yep that worked. Maybe if I was in the good ole boy group or a larger donater, my words would be answered. Nope I am just a simple season ticket holder who has to watch this atrocious product and long for the good ole days. I don't deserve some accountability for the worst year in the modern era of badger hockey.

We DESERVE answers. Alvarez is as terrible an AD as he was good as a coach.

Indiana- we care about little things? You mean winning? Cause that's huge! Wins and titles that's all that matter.

You want fun times? Than win!

I was a hawks fan through the **** years and it wasn't fun but you can't sit back and say "oh well, they're 14-34 right now but it's still fun😀"

That's bull****. It's not fun and you're right Badger Bob would be very disappointed. But he wouldn't blame the fans he'd right the ship by firing eaves, getting a great motivator as coach and tireless recruiters...


Chuck - thanks for the updates. It looksike the new normal for UW id recruit 3rd tier players and the go 4-26 annually

😡😡😡

gwhinwi
06-25-2015, 09:33 AM
We DESERVE answers. Alvarez is as terrible an AD as he was good as a coach.

Chuck - thanks for the updates. It looksike the new normal for UW id recruit 3rd tier players and the go 4-26 annually

😡😡😡

Let's be fair, it's the every four year 4-26 year cycle now, right?

Depressing as they may be sometimes, thanks again for the updates, Chuck.