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dad77
04-27-2015, 11:31 AM
Other than Harvard and Cornell, which Ivy League schools have the best Women's programs? Which get the most athletic department support?

EastFan1
04-27-2015, 11:47 AM
Other than Harvard and Cornell, which Ivy League schools have the best Women's programs? Which get the most athletic department support?

What type of support from the AD are you looking for?

dad77
04-27-2015, 01:04 PM
Just a general support question. Good facilities for womens program, staff, etc.

EastFan1
04-27-2015, 01:54 PM
Just a general support question. Good facilities for womens program, staff, etc.

They all play in older rinks that are pretty much empty when the women play.

OnMAA
04-27-2015, 03:41 PM
They all play in older rinks that are pretty much empty when the women play.

They might be older rinks, but several have had recent upgrades and renovations, and some have real character. For example the Hobie Baker Rink at Princeton is full of history. It is old, but also very unique.

HockeyEast33
04-27-2015, 04:59 PM
Other than Harvard and Cornell, which Ivy League schools have the best Women's programs? Which get the most athletic department support?

Welcome. I assume you are asking because your daughter hopes to attend one of these Ivies some day. Here are my inputs (seen each of the rinks and schools and talked to many of the coaches). Assume they are all strong academically but some may have specific majors that are better depending on what your daughter wants to do. Attendance and student interest is pretty much non-existent at all of the schools.

- Harvard - By far the most consistently good program. Great facilities (rink and school), good coach, good admin/ath dept support (despite what the Harvard posters complain about). This is the primo Ivy program - but if your daughter isn't a U-18 level player US or Canada or an Assabet/Nobles player she probably isn't going to have much of a chance at making the recruiting cut.
- Cornell - Recently the second best program. Good facilities (rink is quite nice if you like the style - some don't), coach has a done a good job over the past 5 years, OK admin/ath dept support. Way different school feel (more big school than other Ivies). Tends to mostly get better Canadian players and for some reason struggles to fill the bench with a full roster every season.
- Dartmouth - Used to be very strong program, has really dropped off. Rink is again very nice - surprisingly large when you get inside because it is dug into the ground. Coach is a good coach but has a reputation of being very caustic - some of the e-mails I have seen that he sent recruits are downright insulting (kids that ended up successful at other D1 schools) - why is it necessary to insult a kid you aren't interested in? He generally lets the Assts do all the recruiting now....probably a good move. School provides some support but spotty. High number of Canadiens typically.
- Princeton - Always middle of the road. Rink is very historic but also very old and facilities aren't great (very cramped). Coach has been successful enough to stay a long time but not successful enough to provide much program post-season success - debatable how strong a coach he is. Kids who tend to go there aren't just quite good enough to be top of the list at other Ivies but REALLY want an Ivy education. Admin rarely shows an interest in women's ice hockey (could change with new athletic director).
- Yale - Up and coming. Coach has improved recruiting significantly and brought in way better players than in the past - but doesn't appear able to turn them into a winning team (seemed to be heading that way but took a step back this year IMHO). Also strong Assabet/Nobles connections (he came from Harvard and seems to be mirroring their approach). Rink is the Whale - look it up - truly unique - school has put a lot of money into the player locker rooms and facilities and the men won a NCAA championship which brought some money in and marginally helped he women's team. Admin seems supportive.
- Brown - Down and out but new coach, so who knows. Rink facilities are simply not on par with other programs. Admin has little interest in women's hockey. A losing culture has developed after early years of much success. Will take a lengthy process to turn the program around. Not sure if the new coach is the guy to do it or not - time will tell.

Hope that helps.

BCAlum
04-28-2015, 11:35 AM
Fall of 2016 (I.e. 17 months from now for those who cannot read) will be the first year in forever that Assabet U19 will not put a single player into an Ivy for hockey. Who will pick up the slack?

Tip In
04-28-2015, 12:12 PM
Fall of 2016 will be the first year in forever that Assabet U19 will not put a single player into an Ivy for hockey. Who will pick up the slack?

Not true. Two players to Brown. Brown is still in the Ivys, right? BC not so much, obviously.

BCAlum
04-28-2015, 12:27 PM
Not true. Two players to Brown. Brown is still in the Ivys, right? BC not so much, obviously.
Fall 2016. Not Fall 2015. I am well aware of two this fall.
Not that difficult to follow my post. At least not for someone who can read.

Tip In
04-28-2015, 12:35 PM
Fall 2016. Not Fall 2015. I am well aware of two this fall.
Not that difficult to follow my post. At least not for someone who can read.

Haha. Look at you. Ok, so you're somehow saying no Lonergan to Harvard. Do tell.

BCAlum
04-28-2015, 12:37 PM
Lonergan will not be playing for Assabet this year.

Timothy A
04-28-2015, 02:50 PM
Other than Harvard and Cornell, which Ivy League schools have the best Women's programs? Which get the most athletic department support?

Head west, young man, head west.

Ted Knight
04-28-2015, 03:54 PM
Lonergan will not be playing for Assabet this year.

it's a shame assabet is dying a fast death.

11 kids tried out for u19...WOW. if that's not proof of who actually elevated and kept that program at the top....

I knew i'd see the demise in my lifetime but not this quick.

control is not always good.

OnMAA
04-28-2015, 08:15 PM
Head west, young lady, head west.

Fixed yer post.....but my response to yer post is.....

AAA = All About Academics....If you are good enough to get into an Ivy and you can make the Financials work for you.....Go for it. !!!!

Call It
04-29-2015, 07:16 AM
it's a shame assabet is dying a fast death.

11 kids tried out for u19...WOW. if that's not proof of who actually elevated and kept that program at the top....

I knew i'd see the demise in my lifetime but not this quick.

control is not always good.

Did Dennis leave or retire? Where is Lonergan playing next year?

Timothy A
04-29-2015, 12:15 PM
Fixed yer post.....but my response to yer post is.....

AAA = All About Academics....If you are good enough to get into an Ivy and you can make the Financials work for you.....Go for it. !!!!

I was telling her dad to take her out west...save some cash, still get a great education, head west. It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

pokechecker
04-29-2015, 02:52 PM
It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

exactly

and besides:

You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job youíll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, thatís all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, youíll never have another chance.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, youíll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

HockeyEast33
04-29-2015, 03:43 PM
exactly

and besides:

You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job you’ll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, that’s all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, you’ll never have another chance.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, you’ll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

Generally, couldn't disagree with your line of thinking more. Unless you're planning on coaching hockey for a living (nothing wrong with that!), the impact of D1 or D3 women's ice hockey accomplishments - All-American, NCAA champion, etc. - in boosting your resume and job prospects is effectively over after about 2 years or so. I know a D1 All-American with a degree who works on the dock in a warehouse for a living - not exactly what most college students aspire to. The skills you hopefully acquired playing D1 or D3 hockey (good presentation skills, effective communication, teamwork, etc.) will always help you but can be learned at any quality of hockey school. Having an Ivy League degree is something that will improve your prospects and opportunities for your whole life - if you don't have one, then talk to someone who does - it stills opens doors when you're in your 50's and 60's if you want it to. College ice hockey is merely a step on your hopefully ever better path in life - your line of thinking suggests it is the apex and everything after sucks - listen to Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days to see how that turns out - sadly.

HockeyEast33
04-29-2015, 09:07 PM
Did Dennis leave or retire? Where is Lonergan playing next year?

UCONN Fan - what's up - you guys out?

pokechecker
04-30-2015, 07:29 AM
I know a D1 All-American with a degree who works on the dock in a warehouse for a living - not exactly what most college students aspire to.

it is worth repeating in case you missed it ;)


It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

an Ivy degree might be valuable out east or in Ontario, but here all it means is that: 1) mommy & daddy have old money, or
2) mommy & daddy have new money & want to rub elbows with the old, or
3) you couldn't make it out east so had to come home