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aweise
03-13-2016, 11:38 AM
Doesn't mean another place can't buy out his contract, like Providence did with Leaman. Bennett hasn't proved himself with his own kids yet, though; 13-14 was still very much Leaman's recruits.

Many (if not all) of which Bennett played a big role in bringing to Union. I don't think we can indict Bennett as a coach when you lose talent like Gostisbehere, Bodie, & Ciampini (among others) over the past two years.

FlagDUDE08
03-13-2016, 11:51 AM
Many (if not all) of which Bennett played a big role in bringing to Union. I don't think we can indict Bennett as a coach when you lose talent like Gostisbehere, Bodie, & Ciampini (among others) over the past two years.

One thing to remember: Bennett had the responsibilities of an assistant coach under Leaman, and had pretty much the primary role of recruiting. It's a much different bear when you're running the whole shindig, as your neighbours across the Hudson found out in the mid-90's.

Lots of teams see talent advancing to the next level before the four years is up. It's the nature of what a development league is. As much as I said Bennett hasn't proved himself as a coach with his own kids, he also hasn't shown to be mediocre. There's only a few coaches out there that can show immediate excellence despite any hand that's handed to them, like Jim Montgomery at Denver. After all, look what he did with Dubuque in the USHL! The key here is what happens with these next couple years, and that will define not only Bennett as a head coach, and also his staff's recruitment abilities.

sk8tronthepond
03-13-2016, 12:42 PM
It's a much different bear when you're running the whole shindig, as your neighbours across the Hudson found out in the mid-90's.

Flaggy, you are so wrong on this that it is laughable. That means Nate won a National Championship last year at Providence with a class of Tim Army's, therefore, it wasn't "his" team. I would also take the success of the mid-90's over what "the neighbors" have now!

FlagDUDE08
03-13-2016, 06:59 PM
Flaggy, you are so wrong on this that it is laughable. That means Nate won a National Championship last year at Providence with a class of Tim Army's, therefore, it wasn't "his" team. I would also take the success of the mid-90's over what "the neighbors" have now!

Not necessarily; Leaman may be a decent enough coach that he can play with what he's been dealt and be successful.

sk8tronthepond
03-13-2016, 07:31 PM
Not necessarily; Leaman may be a decent enough coach that he can play with what he's been dealt and be successful.

You have contradicted yourself with the understatement of the year!

FlagDUDE08
03-13-2016, 07:37 PM
You have contradicted yourself with the understatement of the year!

To quote Nate Leaman: "No comment."

johnk
03-14-2016, 02:41 PM
http://thehockeywriters.com/unions-mike-vecchione-will-return-for-senior-season/

Dutchman
03-14-2016, 04:17 PM
http://thehockeywriters.com/unions-mike-vecchione-will-return-for-senior-season/

Any world on taylor?

ADK11
03-14-2016, 05:31 PM
Any world on taylor?That's definitely good news about Vecks, but not really surprising. I don't thing any players will be taking this past season as a springboard to the pros. IMO Taylor really struggled at times this season.. not sure if he was dinged-up or just the result of having to play with D partners that weren't exactly his equals. He could certainly use another year in college to hone his game. He'll have to show a lot more quickness then he did this past season to get anywhere in the pros.

My bigger concern is losses from behind the bench. I'd forgotten that Rick was a Springfield boy, and the new AD at UMass is sounding a lot like the Providence AD did before they plucked Leaman (i.e. a bigger commitment to hockey). Money-wise & facilities this would be a step up the coaching ladder Union can't compete with. The downside is that the pressure to win and the competition in HE will be much higher, and having won a NC at Union won't count for anything. I'm hoping he sees that he could essentially stay at U for as long as he wants - a rarity in D-1 (it took McLaughlin forever to usher Audino out the door after years of sub-par and he couldn't pull the trigger on the women's side after a winless season).

aweise
03-15-2016, 08:10 AM
That's definitely good news about Vecks, but not really surprising. I don't thing any players will be taking this past season as a springboard to the pros. IMO Taylor really struggled at times this season.. not sure if he was dinged-up or just the result of having to play with D partners that weren't exactly his equals. He could certainly use another year in college to hone his game. He'll have to show a lot more quickness then he did this past season to get anywhere in the pros.

I've also heard that Taylor's parents want him to stay and get his degree, so I don't see him jumping ship early. He just hasn't been the same since 2014 - even though he hasn't been paired with Ghost since then, he's shown poor defensive coverage down low and not playing with enough physicality. Just look at the OT loss to Brown in November, where he let the Brown forward skate right around him and in for the GWG. That's the type of play where Jeff needed to force him wide and give him no chance to get near the net. Jeff's puck-carrying skills are still top-notch, but his defense (his position!) still needs work.



My bigger concern is losses from behind the bench. I'd forgotten that Rick was a Springfield boy, and the new AD at UMass is sounding a lot like the Providence AD did before they plucked Leaman (i.e. a bigger commitment to hockey). Money-wise & facilities this would be a step up the coaching ladder Union can't compete with. The downside is that the pressure to win and the competition in HE will be much higher, and having won a NC at Union won't count for anything. I'm hoping he sees that he could pretty stay at U for as long as he wants - a rarity in D-1 (it McLaughlin forever to usher Audino out the door after years of sub-par and he couldn't pull the trigger on the women's side after a winless season).

It seemed Nate had the same deal - his success leading up to 2011 seemed to allow him to stay as long as he wanted, even though (I don't think) he ever got the long-term contract. I also wonder how much UMass or other schools may be looking at Joe Dumais.

Dutchman
03-15-2016, 02:39 PM
In looking at next year we are losing one defenseman but bringing in three

2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019
Union College 2016-17 KOLIAS, Vasili LD Youngstown Phantoms (USHL) 02/22/16
Union College 2016-17 NEWHOUSE, Benjamin RD Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL) 02/27/14
Union College 2016-17 RYAN, Michael RD Tabor Academy Seawolves (NEDI) 09/09/15
Union College 2017-18 BRIERLEY, Taylor LD Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 02/17/16
Union College 2017-18 LENEAVE, Will LD Carleton Place Canadians (CCHL) 02/03/16
Union College 2017-18 ESTES, Brandon RD Lone Star Brahmas (NAHL) 05/15/15
Union College 2018-19 PIRKO, Ben LD Selects Academy 16UNat at South Kent School (USP16) 04/22/15
Union College 2018-19 FINEMAN, Fletcher RD Omaha AAA HC 16U (NAPH16) 08/31/15

Any chance we may move up some of the 2017-2018 recruits as well?

ADK11
03-15-2016, 05:22 PM
I've also heard that Taylor's parents want him to stay and get his degree, so I don't see him jumping ship early. He just hasn't been the same since 2014 - even though he hasn't been paired with Ghost since then, he's shown poor defensive coverage down low and not playing with enough physicality. Just look at the OT loss to Brown in November, where he let the Brown forward skate right around him and in for the GWG. That's the type of play where Jeff needed to force him wide and give him no chance to get near the net. Jeff's puck-carrying skills are still top-notch, but his defense (his position!) still needs work.

It seemed Nate had the same deal - his success leading up to 2011 seemed to allow him to stay as long as he wanted, even though (I don't think) he ever got the long-term contract. I also wonder how much UMass or other schools may be looking at Joe Dumais.Agree about Taylor, though I don't think its all about being physical on D. Bodie & Ghost weren't exactly the most physical but were excellent defensively because they were so quick and could keep their bodies between the puck & the goal. Jeff really needs to do a better job of this in order to be effective. At times it looked like he was slow or hesitated with his positioning and would get burned bad. He definitely needs to be better with his defensive positioning, and a little more quickness and size wouldn't hurt.

I think it was always in the cards that Nate would leave. Just my feeling, but I think he really wanted the challenge of a tougher league, more pressure and having the use of full scholarships (not to mention more $$s). There were players he missed out at getting at Union that I think he felt he could have had with scholarships. I'm not sure that Bennett feels the same way, though wouldn't blame him if he did. Also not sure if Dumais is quite the hot commodity he was coming off the NC year, he doesn't seem to be in the rumors much so far. However this all pans out, I'm actually pretty confident that U could find a good coach if Rick leaves, though my preference is that he stays.

Dutchman
03-16-2016, 05:57 AM
Taylor
Year Goals Assists Pts SH% +/- Penalty (Blk Shots)
2013-2014 3-13-16 .077 +20 09-18 (26)
2014-2015 4-27-31 .061 +05 14-28 (22)
2015-2016 2-10-12 .025 - 09 13-37 (32)

Pts way down 31-12
SH% way down .077 vs. .025
+/- way down +20 to -9

GB-BE-ME
03-16-2016, 10:30 AM
Dear Union Hockey Forum participants. I know many of you followed the posts of wholin1 over the years (less so in recent months). Sadly, he passed away on Monday night after a courageous battle with cancer. His devotion to Union Hockey and to his college (Class of '72) and the joy he took from both was contagious and inspiring. He will be missed but not forgotten. I know how much he enjoyed engaging with all of you and I think we'll all agree he stayed positive at all times. Godspeed to our loyal Union Hockey friend. A huge loss for us.

Vaportrail
03-16-2016, 10:42 AM
RIP wholin1. My condolences to family and friends. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

jericho
03-16-2016, 11:17 AM
Dear Union Hockey Forum participants. I know many of you followed the posts of wholin1 over the years (less so in recent months). Sadly, he passed away on Monday night after a courageous battle with cancer. His devotion to Union Hockey and to his college (Class of '72) and the joy he took from both was contagious and inspiring. He will be missed but not forgotten. I know how much he enjoyed engaging with all of you and I think we'll all agree he stayed positive at all times. Godspeed to our loyal Union Hockey friend. A huge loss for us.

My condolences on the loss of wholin1. At least he lived long enough to see a national championship at Union, something that was thought of as impossible back in 1991 when they made the jump. Not only one of the best Union posters on here, but one of the best posters in general. My condolences to his friends and family.

rdf8585
03-16-2016, 11:29 AM
In looking at next year we are losing one defenseman but bringing in three

2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019
Union College 2016-17 KOLIAS, Vasili LD Youngstown Phantoms (USHL) 02/22/16
Union College 2016-17 NEWHOUSE, Benjamin RD Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL) 02/27/14
Union College 2016-17 RYAN, Michael RD Tabor Academy Seawolves (NEDI) 09/09/15
Union College 2017-18 BRIERLEY, Taylor LD Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 02/17/16
Union College 2017-18 LENEAVE, Will LD Carleton Place Canadians (CCHL) 02/03/16
Union College 2017-18 ESTES, Brandon RD Lone Star Brahmas (NAHL) 05/15/15
Union College 2018-19 PIRKO, Ben LD Selects Academy 16UNat at South Kent School (USP16) 04/22/15
Union College 2018-19 FINEMAN, Fletcher RD Omaha AAA HC 16U (NAPH16) 08/31/15

Any chance we may move up some of the 2017-2018 recruits as well?

I think only Kolias and Newhouse are coming in next season. Bennett mentioned two defensemen coming in on the coaches show last night, and I'm pretty sure those two are it. Last I knew, Ryan was going to do a year of juniors next year.

rdf8585
03-16-2016, 11:34 AM
Dear Union Hockey Forum participants. I know many of you followed the posts of wholin1 over the years (less so in recent months). Sadly, he passed away on Monday night after a courageous battle with cancer. His devotion to Union Hockey and to his college (Class of '72) and the joy he took from both was contagious and inspiring. He will be missed but not forgotten. I know how much he enjoyed engaging with all of you and I think we'll all agree he stayed positive at all times. Godspeed to our loyal Union Hockey friend. A huge loss for us.

His passing is a big loss for the Union hockey community. Aside from being one of the best contributors here, he was a vice president for the Garnet Blades. It was quite a shock when I heard of his passing on the coaches show last night.

FlagDUDE08
03-16-2016, 12:08 PM
Dear Union Hockey Forum participants. I know many of you followed the posts of wholin1 over the years (less so in recent months). Sadly, he passed away on Monday night after a courageous battle with cancer. His devotion to Union Hockey and to his college (Class of '72) and the joy he took from both was contagious and inspiring. He will be missed but not forgotten. I know how much he enjoyed engaging with all of you and I think we'll all agree he stayed positive at all times. Godspeed to our loyal Union Hockey friend. A huge loss for us.

Really sad to hear this; I did have the chance to meet him. If SlyFoxMan still lurks, or you happen to see him, would you please pass along my sympathies?

Dutchman
03-16-2016, 12:44 PM
RIP wholin1. My condolences to family and friends. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

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