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Timothy A
05-27-2015, 04:07 PM
one month since the listing with the state ended and no coaches yet.

I have to believe that Eaves and Barry are struggling to find someone.

I think BA and JK overestimated how attractive these jobs were. BA's ego is massive. Remember, search committees call HIM, he doesn't call them. I also think MM's reputation as maybe being a little nutty and out of touch is also not helping, because in reality, the team will be better the next 3 years, which will buy Eaves 4 to 5 years, so any assistant will get at least 4 years of employment out of this gig. I'd bet the farm there's a 0% chance Eaves gets canned after next year. It's really a low risk job to take. That's why I think MM's reputation within the fraternity of coaches is hurting him.

bucky15
05-27-2015, 05:25 PM
I think BA and JK overestimated how attractive these jobs were. BA's ego is massive. Remember, search committees call HIM, he doesn't call them. I also think MM's reputation as maybe being a little nutty and out of touch is also not helping, because in reality, the team will be better the next 3 years, which will buy Eaves 4 to 5 years, so any assistant will get at least 4 years of employment out of this gig. I'd bet the farm there's a 0% chance Eaves gets canned after next year. It's really a low risk job to take. That's why I think MM's reputation within the fraternity of coaches is hurting him.

Pretty well said.
I think the comment about Eaves being out of touch is the key. It seems like the recruiting game has changed a lot recently with the twitter boom and Eaves hasn't really changed much if any. With not adapting and his reputation, we find the UW hockey team looking at back-to-back single digit win seasons. I feel each week going by with no asst coaches only makes the image look worse. We have some nice recruits coming in, but no depth to the roster. Depth/goaltending win titles.

IndianaBadger1995
05-27-2015, 05:44 PM
We'll get double digit wins next year. At some point the team will kick it into gear and reel off wins. If they don't, well Eaves will be fired just like all you guys hoped for.

Timothy A
05-28-2015, 02:02 PM
Bought 2 tix for the BGHC. Looks like it's 2/3 filled as of yesterday. I didn't get to sit where I wanted, but that's "all....my.....fault" not buying Monday @ 12:01am. I am looking forward to getting back in LaBahn, my second home in the season.

Timothy A
06-01-2015, 01:17 PM
Denver already filled one vacant assistant coach job, and it opened way after UW's did. :confused: At least Luke Strand was listed in the news as having talked to Eaves last week.

I don't get the whole Oz deal. Eaves said he just couldn't wait any longer to talk to him, yet he as hired no one and as far as we know offered only Harbison.

solovsfett
06-01-2015, 01:36 PM
Denver already filled one vacant assistant coach job, and it opened way after UW's did. :confused: At least Luke Strand was listed in the news as having talked to Eaves last week.

I don't get the whole Oz deal. Eaves said he just couldn't wait any longer to talk to him, yet he as hired no one and as far as we know offered only Harbison.

Something is rotten in the state of Wisconsin hockey

WiscTJK
06-01-2015, 01:41 PM
Denver already filled one vacant assistant coach job, and it opened way after UW's did. :confused: At least Luke Strand was listed in the news as having talked to Eaves last week.

I don't get the whole Oz deal. Eaves said he just couldn't wait any longer to talk to him, yet he as hired no one and as far as we know offered only Harbison.

I assume that was said because 1. Oz through intermediaries said he wasn't interested or 2. he was going after Harbinson.

Chuck Schwartz
06-01-2015, 02:34 PM
I assume that was said because 1. Oz through intermediaries said he wasn't interested or 2. he was going after Harbinson.

3. Both.

KaMiGo
06-01-2015, 04:14 PM
I don't get the whole Oz deal. Eaves said he just couldn't wait any longer to talk to him, yet he as hired no one and as far as we know offered only Harbison.

I think the context of the "waiting for Oz" issue is that Eaves was (presumably) actively reviewing applications, interviewing applicants, and pursuing other applicants while Oz was still finishing out his season.

It would make sense that Eaves would not want to put the whole process on hold until Oz was in a position that they could discuss the opening. Knowing that there were either other positions open or other positions that were likely to open at other schools, it would have been somewhat foolish for Eaves to wait until Oz's season was done.

With the amount of work that Eaves had to do (and still has to do) this summer, I 100% agree that you can't put any part of any process on hold waiting for other things to fall into place. You have to work with what is available to you at that point.

Granted most of this is moot, since there has not been a hiring yet and Oz is now done with his season...but I don't want this to be colored the wrong way in the USCHO history books. Eaves couldn't officially talk to Oz when he needed to, Eaves moved on to talk to the people that he was able to talk to...I think it is as simple as that.

Chuck Schwartz
06-01-2015, 04:28 PM
I think the context of the "waiting for Oz" issue is that Eaves was (presumably) actively reviewing applications, interviewing applicants, and pursuing other applicants while Oz was still finishing out his season.

It would make sense that Eaves would not want to put the whole process on hold until Oz was in a position that they could discuss the opening. Knowing that there were either other positions open or other positions that were likely to open at other schools, it would have been somewhat foolish for Eaves to wait until Oz's season was done.

With the amount of work that Eaves had to do (and still has to do) this summer, I 100% agree that you can't put any part of any process on hold waiting for other things to fall into place. You have to work with what is available to you at that point.

Granted most of this is moot, since there has not been a hiring yet and Oz is now done with his season...but I don't want this to be colored the wrong way in the USCHO history books. Eaves couldn't officially talk to Oz when he needed to, Eaves moved on to talk to the people that he was able to talk to...I think it is as simple as that.

This isn't very hard to figure out. As I said here three weeks ago, Osiecki had already been approached for the job and made it known that he was not interested. Since Wisconsin asked permission to speak with him officially and the Blackhawks told them to wait until the AHL playoffs were over, Eaves can't tell the media that Osiecki already turned down the job before the playoffs are already over. That's why Eaves was so awkward in his response about why he wasn't going to pursue Osiecki the day after Rockford was eliminated from the AHL playoffs.

IndianaBadger1995
06-01-2015, 05:55 PM
So is Luke Strand the likely option for top assistant assuming he'd be willing?

Chuck Schwartz
06-01-2015, 06:57 PM
So is Luke Strand the likely option for top assistant assuming he'd be willing?

I have to think so.

Chuck Schwartz
06-01-2015, 07:29 PM
Sounds like John Hynes will be the next New Jersey Devils head coach. I was always kind of holding out hope he'd take over in Madison some day.

MadCityRich
06-01-2015, 09:29 PM
Pardon me if some think I'm a dick, but why would we be interested in Luke Strand? As a head coach, I see horrible stats. I can't find stats as an assistant in the AHL, but I want somebody with a proven track record at this point.

Chuck Schwartz
06-01-2015, 10:11 PM
Pardon me if some think I'm a dick, but why would we be interested in Luke Strand? As a head coach, I see horrible stats. I can't find stats as an assistant in the AHL, but I want somebody with a proven track record at this point.

Horrible stats? He was 27-24-9 and 31-23-6 in his two years in Sioux City as head coach. 24-25-11 as an expansion coach this season which exceeded expectations. As a GM in Sioux City last year he built the roster for the SC squad that won the West division with a 38-17-5 record this year.

He's one of the only qualified candidates that is dialed into the Team Wisconsin program and the state as a whole. He's extremely well liked in Wisconsin and in USHL circles. He'd be an outstanding recruiter and he's a very good coach. Experience at the junior, college, and pro levels.

I understand I'm biased here, but he checks about every box on the wish list at this point.

XYZ
06-01-2015, 10:17 PM
I think the context of the "waiting for Oz" issue is that Eaves was (presumably) actively reviewing applications, interviewing applicants, and pursuing other applicants while Oz was still finishing out his season.

It would make sense that Eaves would not want to put the whole process on hold until Oz was in a position that they could discuss the opening. Knowing that there were either other positions open or other positions that were likely to open at other schools, it would have been somewhat foolish for Eaves to wait until Oz's season was done.

With the amount of work that Eaves had to do (and still has to do) this summer, I 100% agree that you can't put any part of any process on hold waiting for other things to fall into place. You have to work with what is available to you at that point.

Granted most of this is moot, since there has not been a hiring yet and Oz is now done with his season...but I don't want this to be colored the wrong way in the USCHO history books. Eaves couldn't officially talk to Oz when he needed to, Eaves moved on to talk to the people that he was able to talk to...I think it is as simple as that.

At this level do you really think a guy sits at his desk in the middle of May and "reviews applications"? I get that you're a myopic apologist in general, but let's not try to come across as completely clueless, k?

And as previously asked of you, can you please define the ambiguous "majority" you used as a crutch in an earlier reply?

Wisko McBadgerton
06-02-2015, 10:36 AM
At this level do you really think a guy sits at his desk in the middle of May and "reviews applications"?

Exactly. Eaves is a Head Coach. He has his assistants do all the menial stuff like that.

KaMiGo
06-02-2015, 10:49 AM
At this level do you really think a guy sits at his desk in the middle of May and "reviews applications"? I get that you're a myopic apologist in general, but let's not try to come across as completely clueless, k?
Myopic apologist, I like that...I would prefer rational realist, but feel free to put whatever labels on me that you see fit.

I made my speculation based on the publicly available facts. You are free to agree or disagree based on whichever pieces of information you choose to use.
We can speculate all we want about what Barry Alvarez is or isn't doing and keep rehashing his "I'm not a hockey guy" quote from years ago.
We can speculate about what Mike Eaves does or doesn't have the ability to do as a head coach.
Granted, some people have access to additional information through connections to current/former/future players or with adults who are in various levels of responsibility with hockey organizations across the continent and can speak with more knowledge than others can. But even Andy's inside sources give information that has probably been filtered through a couple of channels and while they may be "reliable" they are hardly infallible.
When it comes down to the absolute truths, none of us know what happens behind the closed doors, it is all speculation and in my eyes it is all equally valid.


Perhaps not, but they're certainly more knowledgeable than the average fan that is part of this subjectively determined "majority," possibly moreso than sectors of the athletic administration itself. The department should make its judgements based on what's best for the program, and just because those believing that continuing with Eaves is not what's best for the program may be the your minority it doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong. Same as the administration isn't necessarily right for doing whatever the consensus opinion of your majority is.

Just do what's best for the program as winning (almost always) cures all, and believing Eaves needs to go for the program to attain the consistent success it should be capable of is at least as credible as any of the excuses and rationalizations that have been posted over the past six months -- and I'd suggest far more credible than this supposed majority opinion. Which is what, by the way?
Coming back to my previous post, at your request: None of us can define who the majority of UW Hockey fans are nor can we say with any certainty what the majority of fans think/feel/want.
We don't have access to the surveys that the US Athletics marketing people do, I'm sure they are much more capable of speaking to the attitude of the "majority" of fans than any of us are.
It is easy to take a straw poll of the people on this board and come up with a consensus answer (FIRE EAVES! AND DO IT YESTERDAY!), but I don't think that anyone can honestly say that the people who frequent this board are your typical college hockey fans. We are the 1% of fans (actually less than that if you figure 50 regular posters out of an average attendance of 11,000 we are the .5%), the ones who go beyond the 3 hours at the game, the ones who listen to the pre- and post-game radio shows, the ones who pay attention to the weekly press conferences, the ones who watch high school kids play and wonder how they would fit into a recruiting class 5 years from now, the ones who go to an online message board and argue in the middle of summer about recruits and coaching changes.

We can all say whatever we would like to, and we can all respond however we would like to about what other people say, that is the beauty of a largely anonymous message board like this. So please feel free to continue posting whatever speculations you see fit, I will continue to do the same, and in the end we will all end up rooting for the Badgers to get #7.

KaMiGo
06-02-2015, 10:51 AM
At this level do you really think a guy sits at his desk in the middle of May and "reviews applications"?

And yes, I do think that Eaves would be sitting at his desk in the middle of May reviewing applications. I think that as an employee of a public institution he is obligated to review each and every application that comes in for a posted position. Why do you think he wouldn't?

WiscTJK
06-02-2015, 01:16 PM
7 weeks + since the firings and 5 weeks + since the state listing ended and still no assistants. Great job coach and athletic dept! Other teams had openings later and have filled their assistant roles already.

Meanwhile, Eaves is signing guys for 2018 with roster holes for 2015.