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Wisko McBadgerton
04-24-2015, 06:30 PM
Captain Kunin has 5 goals in the last two (somewhat lopsided) games for USA at the World Championships. Semi final showdown with Canada is on tap for tomorrow morning.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-24-2015, 11:03 PM
I guess this does enforce the idea that Eaves is getting a season (hopefully just this one) to save his job.

I'll agree with others that this is counterproductive. While I don't trust the powers that be to actually do it, this makes it that much more important to make sure that we get good hires on the assistants this year. At least one of them needs to be a viable head coach to assure recruits that things will be going the right direction when the (hopefully) inevitable thing happens next season.

Innova
04-24-2015, 11:26 PM
Is the U18 game on TV anywhere tomorrow or only streaming? I might not be out of bed in time to watch it live....

Timothy A
04-25-2015, 08:43 AM
Big ****ing deal. A contract that runs until 2019 wasn't extended. It's NOT ridiculous that contracts are extended, but it's ridiculous that you extend a contract that is already out there 4 years.


I agree. With it still being 4 years, and not 5, it does not undercut Eaves at all They just lessened the buyout amount by 1 year. That is a good thing, right?

Great news on Captain Kunin!

Denver just lost a paid assistant, now UW may be competing with them for an assistant coach, but I doubt Montgomery and Eaves are traveling in the same circle.

DoorCtyBadger
04-25-2015, 09:04 AM
So I can see Bessee..Hughes and Malone front line for the Badgers. Then Rockwood..Kunin....and Frederic on 2nd line. Those would be 2 pretty good front lines which all you need to be competitive in the lowly L6 hockey conference

MadCityRich
04-25-2015, 09:33 AM
If you come down when they're playing the Islanders, I might join you there when I drive up from Atlanta next year.

I'll keep this post and would be cool if it dates work out.

Chuck Schwartz
04-25-2015, 02:40 PM
So I can see Bessee..Hughes and Malone front line for the Badgers. Then Rockwood..Kunin....and Frederic on 2nd line. Those would be 2 pretty good front lines which all you need to be competitive in the lowly L6 hockey conference

Frederic is a 2016.

DoorCtyBadger
04-25-2015, 03:06 PM
Frederic is a 2016.

Ty chuck....guess I will have to adjust my 2nd line...put freytag in that slot

wjefwhite
04-25-2015, 04:07 PM
I would just like to thank Chuck (Andy) for his great contributions to information and excellent writing all these years. I go back to the 60 Minute Blog with him and have enjoyed the back and forth on Twitter . At some point I must have ****ed him off because he stopped responding to me and now I see I am blocked from his handle. I apologize for whatever caused that to happen.
You will be missed in the Badger Hockey community. Good luck with your future endeavors.

shelfit
04-27-2015, 12:24 AM
So Eaves' contract won't be extended but he will be allowed to finish it out through the 18-19 season. Seems a bit weird to make this type of announcement so soon. Will his heart be truly invested over the next four years?! What does everyone think?

Chuck Schwartz
04-27-2015, 01:16 AM
So Eaves' contract won't be extended but he will be allowed to finish it out through the 18-19 season. Seems a bit weird to make this type of announcement so soon. Will his heart be truly invested over the next four years?! What does everyone think?

Literally nothing has changed. The announcement was that the University didn't add an extra year to his current contract. They could do what they did, which was nothing, or extend him for an extra year. How would it have looked to the fans if they tacked an extra year on to his deal after winning four games in 34 tries? The only option was to leave the contract as it is.

5mn_Major
04-27-2015, 07:56 AM
So Eaves' contract won't be extended but he will be allowed to finish it out through the 18-19 season. Seems a bit weird to make this type of announcement so soon. Will his heart be truly invested over the next four years?! What does everyone think?

I've never managed a team. But it seems difficult on recruiting to announce a coaching change so far out.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-27-2015, 08:39 AM
So Eaves' contract won't be extended but he will be allowed to finish it out through the 18-19 season. Seems a bit weird to make this type of announcement so soon. Will his heart be truly invested over the next four years?! What does everyone think?

It's a bit presumptuous to think that he'll be allowed to finish out the 18-19 season, much less to consider this an "announced coaching change". Literally the only thing they've done is not extend his contract such as to send a message and to minimize the buyout if he gets fired.

Granted, if he didn't get fired this offseason, it's hard to imagine what he'd have to do to actually lose his job outright.


I've never managed a team. But it seems difficult on recruiting to announce a coaching change so far out.

Tell me about it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tonight_Show_with_Conan_O%27Brien)

Gandalf the Red
04-27-2015, 09:42 AM
Big ****ing deal. A contract that runs until 2019 wasn't extended. It's NOT ridiculous that contracts are extended, but it's ridiculous that you extend a contract that is already out there 4 years.

Jeez, I hope no feelings were hurt. :rolleyes:

*The money I'm saving by not buying season tickets is already in a "hockey slush" fund to see the NHL in St. Paul, Chicago, and hopefully Nashville when I visit MCR Jr in Louisville........a double road trip. The U.W. hockey program won't miss my money in particular, but it looks like there are thousands more jumping the sinking ship.*

Pick me up, I will join you.

Timothy A
04-27-2015, 01:38 PM
Granted, if he didn't get fired this offseason, it's hard to imagine what he'd have to do to actually lose his job outright.

Tell me about it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tonight_Show_with_Conan_O%27Brien)

Excellent point. I was shocked BA didn't can Kelsey after their digression this season. Maybe BA's bosses need to pay attention to that is going on.

solovsfett
04-27-2015, 01:48 PM
I've never managed a team. But it seems difficult on recruiting to announce a coaching change so far out.

There won't be an announced future change. Either Eaves rights the ship this next season or he's gone. If he manages 15 wins or more I suspect he'll get a 2nd year beyond next and then who knows *** they'll be thinking. Even Barry "I'm not a hockey guy" Alvarez isn't dumb enough to make such a grievous error in judgment that would be defacto announcing he's getting rid of a coach in 4 years...that type of stuff happens only when the Coaches call the shots ala whatshisname from Florida State some years back and the Coach announces a plan to leave and announces a successor.

UpNorthHockey
04-27-2015, 03:22 PM
As many have pointed out, it makes no sense to give Eaves a single season to right the ship, particularly when the cupboards are fairly bare and restocking is likely to be tough. I would add to this that it makes even less sense to make him dismiss his assistants and get new ones during this process. Alvarez has really stacked the cards against Eaves in my opinion. It's hard to believe that Alvarez wants or expects Eaves to be successful. Perhaps there are some contractual benefits to the University if Eaves resigns vs. being let go, or perhaps there is a specific non-performance definition that has not been met in order to let him go without a penalty (maybe there needs to be consecutive bad seasons). I would also think the more time they have to find a successor, the better. As others have noted, the B1G needs a healthy Wisconsin hockey program for the league to do well. This year's B1G tourney was sad, but I don't expect a Wisconsin resurgence next year.

I'm still a bit mystified about how Eaves let the team fall off a recruiting cliff following back to back NCAA appearances. Wisconsin has so many recruiting advantages over most schools that they should be able to field a .500 team without even trying. Imagine what it's like trying to get blue chip players to come to a place like Ferris State...yet they consistently turn out .500 or better teams. Wisconsin is my B1G team and I have confidence that the program will be back strong before the decade is out, but it won't be under Eaves. We should be able to consistently field strong teams just as well as Michigan and Minnesota, but Eaves has just not been consistent enough given the program's advantages and historical performance.

Gurtholfin
04-27-2015, 03:55 PM
The not extending of the rolling contract is SOP for the UW athletic department when they are moving in the direction of dismissal. I'm guessing it lowers the buyout amount.

Iirc, they used it on Lisa Stone and others over the years and then fired them later.


Like most here, I would have preferred a clean break.

This just wastes time.

The position they've put Eaves in almost guarantees failure. Why delay the inevitable and lose even more support?

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-27-2015, 06:24 PM
Why delay the inevitable and lose even more support?

I can think of four possible answers to this question:

Hockey still somehow generates enough revenue that whatever they've lost in support over the last 5 years isn't making a big enough dent for them to notice or care.
We're all delusional to think that UW Athletics has three true revenue generating sports. Hockey never was and never will again be a revenue sport for UW. That is: hockey's revenue is too small for the AD to notice or care, so it doesn't matter much to them how much of our support they lose.
They have noticed the drop, they do care, but Coach Eaves' contract is so large that the bean counters have assumed that one more year of lost support is worth whatever they would recoup in not having an extra year on his contract for the buyout when he gets fired.
They've noticed the drop, they do care, but they're so timid (or perhaps even stupid) to realize that they need to act now before things get worse.


Let's assume that it's all dollars and cents as they don't see a big enough issue in how poorly we've performed, since it didn't lead to an outright firing on just the basis of poor results on the ice. For crying out loud, Barry's out there publicly comparing our woes to that one time he had an iffy season with a young team as a football coach over 20 years ago. I doubt he's much in tune with how historically terrible our season was last year.

WiscDC
04-27-2015, 06:40 PM
...We're all delusional to think that UW Athletics has three true revenue generating sports...

You're not the first to use that term, and you won't be the last, but that phrase either needs an adjective saying how much (something like "major") or needs to be switched to "profit generating sports." You could sell one ticket to a sport all year, and that sport generated revenue. Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.


They have noticed the drop, they do care...

The marketing people have certainly noticed and care a lot. In fact, I'll be meeting with one of the higher-ups in that department later this week to discuss it. Of course, those probably aren't the same people dealing with firing coaches and buying out contracts.