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Re: 2014-2015 Minnesota Women's Hockey: The Maroon & Gold Strike Back II
Going back to the previous thread, I never liked the Minnesotan-only policy. It has nothing to do with whether or not it improved the chances of winning a title. An insular policy like that is the antithesis of what a university should be encouraging. I came up here from Michigan to go to school at the U and what the locals think of as pride really just came off as unwelcoming. I don't care what the rationale was, it was a bad policy. It would have been perfectly possible to support and boost in-state hockey programs while still having some players that were from other places.
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Originally posted by Eeyore View PostGoing back to the previous thread, I never liked the Minnesotan-only policy. It has nothing to do with whether or not it improved the chances of winning a title. It would have been perfectly possible to support and boost in-state hockey programs while still having some players that were from other places.
the problem is that some people took what he said too literally, after all, Mariucci had Canadians on his team and even as captains, and he also had a fair number of guys from North Dakota and elsewhere
and keep in mind the guy that replaced him was a Canadian
it was more hyperbole, to make a point and get peoples attention, I don't think he intended for it to be a strict rule, if he did, he broke hos own rule
Brooks, Buetow & Woog followed it, only Brooks won championships by it but even he had a few out of state guys on, including at least one Canadian
Brooks didn't win because he had all/mostly Minnesotans, either in college or Olympics, he won because he was a good coach
that's the downside to what he accomplished, people expected those that followed to win with MN onlyLast edited by pokechecker; 03-16-2015, 06:55 PM.
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Re: 2014-2015 Minnesota Women's Hockey: The Maroon & Gold Strike Back II
This could be a first: the Gophers women's hockey team being the subject (along with Gopher Women's BB) of a Star Tribune editorial piece:
Hats off to U women's hockey and basketball teams
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/e...296498491.htmlMinnesota Golden Gopher Hockey
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Originally posted by D2D View PostThis could be a first: the Gophers women's hockey team being the subject (along with Gopher Women's BB) of a Star Tribune editorial piece:
Hats off to U women's hockey and basketball teams
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/e...296498491.html
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Re: 2014-2015 Minnesota Women's Hockey: The Maroon & Gold Strike Back II
Originally posted by Eeyore View PostGoing back to the previous thread, I never liked the Minnesotan-only policy. It has nothing to do with whether or not it improved the chances of winning a title. An insular policy like that is the antithesis of what a university should be encouraging. I came up here from Michigan to go to school at the U and what the locals think of as pride really just came off as unwelcoming. I don't care what the rationale was, it was a bad policy. It would have been perfectly possible to support and boost in-state hockey programs while still having some players that were from other places.
And, as stated previously, it was not "Minnesota only" as the team has had many players from outside MN, but they had to want to come here. It ws just recruiting that was limited. So they did have players from other places.Last edited by ne7minder; 03-17-2015, 05:57 AM.
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Originally posted by ne7minder View PostObviously it was not a bad policy as it produced the desired result, the best development of American hockey players is evidence by the sheer number of Minnesotans playing hockey at an elite level. Look at states that COULD have programs like MNs, Wisconsin, Michigan and Massachusetts come to mind; between them they might be able to field one decent team. That you somehow felt put off by the policy does not make it a bad one. It was a rarity in college athletics, an attempt to do something for the community and the sport he loved instead of winning at all costs. Had he not done it college hockey would be 99% Canadian players & even less watched than currently.
And, as stated previously, it was not "Minnesota only" as the team has had many players from outside MN, but they had to want to come here. It ws just recruiting that was limited. So they did have players from other places.
I also find the, "Oh, we wouldn't want to recruit really big, older Canadians," sanctimony pretty hard to take. For one, even back then, hockey players came from more places than just Minnesota and Canada. Two, just about every 22-year old Canadian was 18 at some point earlier in their lives and some of them would have come to play hockey at that age. Three, I don't really care where the players come from or how old they are when they get here. All I really care about is that they want to go to school and do they want to come here. That's it.
The only reason I would object to older players is if there's some indication that they aren't really interested in the educational side of things and are just using it as a way point between juniors and the pros. And over the years, I've never noticed that older Canadian players were any more inclined to skip out on school after a year or two than are the sainted Minnesota kids. There were certainly a bunch of kids that won national championships with the Gophers in the 1970s that didn't finish their eligibility.
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One could make the argument that a MN only policy at the U helps development in the state. I don't know if it moves the needle in a stellar current MN girls hockey environment. But even then, I believe yet another championship at the U does at least as much for MN, even if its in large part due to Amanda Kessel.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostOne could make the argument that a MN only policy at the U helps development in the state. I don't know if it moves the needle in a stellar current MN girls hockey environment. But even then, I believe yet another championship at the U does at least as much for MN, even if its in large part due to Amanda Kessel.
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Originally posted by ne7minder View Post
And, as stated previously, it was not "Minnesota only" as the team has had many players from outside MN, but they had to want to come here. It ws just recruiting that was limited. So they did have players from other places.
problem is that the general public thinks otherwise
and some kids that might want to come here and play, don't even consider it
Originally posted by ne7minder View PostThat you somehow felt put off by the policy does not make it a bad one..
Originally posted by ne7minder View PostObviously it was not a bad policy as it produced the desired result, .
Why “The State of Hockey” has gotten to where it is involves a number of factors:
The televising of the boys hockey tournament increased interest in playing hockey in the 60’s.
The arrival of the No Stars & NHL increased interest in the late 60’s.
That Brooks won national championships ( I believe ’76 was the only year he did it with 100% MN) increased interest in the late 70’s.
The success of the ’80 Olympic team increased interest in the 80’s.
It was a perfect storm.
These are just some of the major ones, there are smaller ones as well, ( for example the migration of all those people from Northern MN to the TC area, including my family, that brought their interest in hockey with them).
You can see the effect on attendance at the U of MN. Some time during the Sonmor years attendance increased dramatically. Prior to that the place was half full or less. Was it due to his winning the WCHA championship in 1970? Going to the NCAA final in 1972? Spillover interest from pro hockey? Spillover from HS boys? Likely, a bit of all of it. It really went nuts after 1980.
You see somewhat the same thing today with girls/womens hockey. Attendance has doubled since before the Perfect Season, although fallen a bit perhaps since The Streak ended. I suspect it may have gone up if the Olympic team had won. I suspect it will go up if thye win the NCAA this year.
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Originally posted by D2D View PostThis could be a first: the Gophers women's hockey team being the subject (along with Gopher Women's BB) of a Star Tribune editorial piece:
Hats off to U women's hockey and basketball teams
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/e...296498491.html
notice they cannot refrain from the "made in MN" here too, even though it isn't
let's face it, we are a state of rubes
"Minnesota Nice" and all that, we suck it up
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Originally posted by pokechecker View PostI think you are mistaking me for eeyore,
You can see the effect on attendance at the U of MN. Some time during the Sonmor years attendance increased dramatically. Prior to that the place was half full or less. Was it due to his winning the WCHA championship in 1970? Going to the NCAA final in 1972? Spillover interest from pro hockey? Spillover from HS boys? Likely, a bit of all of it. It really went nuts after 1980.
I too think the policy has outlived the need but it still makes the team something special, like it or not. Given the spectacular failure of this years team to perform up to expectations I think there is going to be more pressure to replace either that policy or the man currently implementing it. The big buck daddies are going to demand a better return on the seat license investment.
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Originally posted by Hux View PostI disagree. Jack Blatherwick, CODP, the OS spinoff of CODP, and more recently the Fall Elite league are what have propelled Minnesota's development of players over the past decade.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostI just said that a Gopher championship does at least as much for state girls hockey as a MN only policy (which hardly 'moves the needle')."... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
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