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Greg A
03-29-2015, 10:16 AM
Regarding Pesce, there is a school of thought that anyone turning pro in hockey, basketball, etc. can maximize their career salary by coming out early even if it means a lower initial contract. Each year earlier they turn pro brings them that much closer to their bigger free agent contract down the road and an additional year of earning pro money at the end of their career.

Obviously there is the risk of stunting development (which could also happen by staying in school another year) or getting stuck in the wrong pro organization.

My take on Pesce is that he used his three years at UNH to develop not only his game but to improve his physicality. Remember, he came in as a scrawny 17 year old. You could tell right away that he had good instincts but through a combination of things it really wasn't until this year that he looked the part of a top two college defenseman. I suppose he could have opted to stay his senior year but my guess is he thinks it's time to go all in as a professional hockey player, learn his craft and establish himself as a big leaguer. More training, more ice time in the pros is probably the smart choice. And getting paid isn't bad either.

HockeyRef
03-29-2015, 10:19 AM
I've read that as well Chuck, but it doesn't seem grounded in the real world. If that were the case why would anyone sign after their junior year? Yet each year we see juniors from all over college hockey signing contracts within days, sometime literally within hours after their team's season are over. Can't believe if there really was leverage to waiting, potential or otherwise, that agents, er sorry "advisors," would be allowing thse kids to sign.

As for Pesce, I guess UNH fans should be lamenting the fact that he did all those press conferences/media availabilities rather than chatting with Mike Paliotta

'splain yourself please...thanks! As for Mike...he's about to don a Blackhawks jersey...was on the ice for their optional skate...

Snively65
03-29-2015, 06:53 PM
Friars and Gillies going to FF, but we are better.

zoofer
03-29-2015, 07:09 PM
Reading the posts on Pesce....back in the day, Jay Miller was offered a contract from Toronto, but he stayed for his senior year, where he injured his shoulder and leg and basically lost out.....he went to Boston where he fought his way out of the AHL after many years to have a fine career....Ask Gordie Clark, who led the AHL in scoring for some 5 years but was never brought up....Has Darren Haydar suffered by being in the "minors"? And yet we all know of countless players who signed out of school, to the basic two-way contract, never to see the "Apple".....it's easy to Monday morning opine.....best of luck to Pesce!
How about them Friars.....UNH should walk tall having played BU and Providi as well as they did....nice that 2 HE schools with no BC..... :o)

HockeyRef
03-29-2015, 09:06 PM
Reading the posts on Pesce....back in the day, Jay Miller was offered a contract from Toronto, but he stayed for his senior year, where he injured his shoulder and leg and basically lost out.....he went to Boston where he fought his way out of the AHL after many years to have a fine career....Ask Gordie Clark, who led the AHL in scoring for some 5 years but was never brought up....Has Darren Haydar suffered by being in the "minors"? And yet we all know of countless players who signed out of school, to the basic two-way contract, never to see the "Apple".....it's easy to Monday morning opine.....best of luck to Pesce!
How about them Friars.....UNH should walk tall having played BU and Providi as well as they did....nice that 2 HE schools with no BC..... :o)

Well we will / can take some solace and be proud of the fact that if UNO wins over RIT we can say we beat 3 out 4 FF teams...FWIW dept!! Onward HE teams!!

billb
03-30-2015, 04:02 AM
Hi, did anyone miss me, not that it really matters, but I've been out here. Very impressive finish to the season by UNH, I'm sure the players had much to do with it. I did notice, however, that two teams who are among the traditionally successful in HE are still playing, and both have young, new coaches. I'm not sure that this isn't a coincidence.

Snively65
03-30-2015, 05:07 AM
Hi, did anyone miss me, not that it really matters, but I've been out here. Very impressive finish to the season by UNH, I'm sure the players had much to do with it. I did notice, however, that two teams who are among the traditionally successful in HE are still playing, and both have young, new coaches. I'm not sure that this isn't a coincidence.

It is a coincidence, at least this season. One team has the probable Hoby winner, the other a great goalie. Our team and coach beat both of these teams and coaches late in the season.

unh1982
03-30-2015, 07:12 AM
GOAL TENDING, GOAL TENDING, GOAL TENDING . These last 4 teams all have great goalies ( all goalies are good at this level) . What does UNH now posses one Tirone , we will get their at least once in the next three years even with our 1/4 century coach .

e.cat
03-30-2015, 07:53 AM
I'll be rooting for either BU or Providence to win it all. More so for Providence simply because they have not won it. If Providence does win it all, then I will be even more convinced that the sun, the moon and the stars just don't want to line up for UNH and never will!!!

Snively65
03-30-2015, 08:03 AM
I'll be rooting for either BU or Providence to win it all. More so for Providence simply because they have not won it. If Providence does win it all, then I will be even more convinced that the sun, the moon and the stars just don't want to line up for UNH and never will!!!

Same here, e.cat, except for your last sentence, which I would interpret just the opposite, as in our time will come, although not sure how soon.

e.cat
03-30-2015, 08:21 AM
Same here, e.cat, except for your last sentence, which I would interpret just the opposite, as in our time will come, although not sure how soon.

In my lifetime would be good Snively65😆

C-H-C
03-30-2015, 08:22 AM
From Mens Hockey: Umile Reflects on 25 years (http://www.tnhdigital.com/mens-hockey-umile-reflects-on-25-years/) by Parker Wheeler:



Ive got a few more years left, Im getting my contract and then Ill make my decision, Coach Umile said. Hopefully a couple more years here, but I still feel like Im as excited on the bench every season as I was 20 years ago.

He has enough gas in the tank. Hes hungry and has plenty of energy, UNH athletic director Marty Scarano said. I know when hes ready and cant give it 100 percent anymore he will let us know.

NCAA watcher
03-30-2015, 09:24 AM
From Mens Hockey: Umile Reflects on 25 years (http://www.tnhdigital.com/mens-hockey-umile-reflects-on-25-years/) by Parker Wheeler:

Always thrilled when my coach's response as to continuing at age 66 is that he has his contract.
And when my AD says the coach can keep his job as long as
He gives 100%.

Well, move the championship building plan back another 5 years.

C-H-C
03-30-2015, 10:31 AM
From "Mens Hockey: Tyler Kelleher, Wildcats Look Ahead to the Future" (http://www.tnhdigital.com/mens-hockey-tyler-kelleher-wildcats-look-ahead-to-the-future/) in The New Hampshire:


Were going to lose some of our top guys, but we definitely have a lot of talent on this team, Kelleher said. I think all of our guys are capable of stepping in for us. I really believe any of them could perform.

"It feels good that our coaches believed in me and had trust in me, Kelleher said. I think coach Umile gave me the opportunity this year and hopefully I can get stronger over the offseason and come back better next year.

Chuck Murray
03-30-2015, 11:37 AM
As Umile enters his 26th season as head coach, it raises the question of how much longer the Umile era will last. But Umile knows he still has some time.

Ive got a few more years left, Im getting my contract and then Ill make my decision, he said. Hopefully a couple more years here, but I still feel like Im as excited on the bench every season as I was 20 years ago.

With so much success and consistency, Umile essentially has his job until he is ready to step away.

It was nice of Coach Umile to publicly create plausible deniability for the existence of a lifetime contract. :D

He has enough gas in the tank. Hes hungry and has plenty of energy, UNH athletic director Marty Scarano said. I know when hes ready and cant give it 100 percent anymore he will let us know."

BS35+goingon 2 pipes in with a predictably complacent take on things. Why can't you be my boss? :rolleyes:

I like to think of myself as a players coach. Umile said. I dont consider myself some guru of xs and os.

Lfetime contracts let you be pretty darned honest about your strengths and ... uh, not-so-strengths.

As long as he can get his players to perform, I'm on board. I honestly don't think we have a choice anyway. But I can't help but wonder what folks outside the program might make of today's "admissions". Maybe Coach isn't worried about the quality of would-be recruits beyond those currently in the pipeline to UNH for the next 2-3 seasons, because he's not planning to stay until he's 70? :confused:

UNH Hockey: .500 And Proud ... Who Says Complacency Is a Bad Thing?? :rolleyes:

skyraider0609
03-30-2015, 12:14 PM
From the article in TNH...

"Scarano doesn’t think Umile is fazed by not having a championship on his resume."

I'm glad this doesn't seem to bother Dickie.

WildShawn
03-30-2015, 12:14 PM
Meaningless Dan Duquette question of the day: did anyone in college hockey have any more wins (5) vs. the Frozen Four Field than UNH this year? :p

WildShawn
03-30-2015, 12:23 PM
Meaningless Dan Duquette question of the day: did anyone in college hockey have any more wins (5) vs. the Frozen Four Field than UNH this year? :p

nevermind, SCSU beat UNO 4x and UND 2x

billb
03-30-2015, 12:37 PM
It is a coincidence, at least this season. One team has the probable Hoby winner, the other a great goalie. Our team and coach beat both of these teams and coaches late in the season.

UNH didn't beat BU when it really mattered. Umile is not capable of teaching these players how to win the big game because he has never been there.
This is not a coincidence; these two teams are going in the right direction. UNH is stagnant at best.

sonar
03-30-2015, 01:31 PM
This is not a coincidence; these two teams are going in the right direction. UNH is stagnant at best.

I tend to agree on the "coincidence" angle. However, it is futile to try and convince the apologists. As Watcher indicates, this is the way it will be for the next 5 years .... and has been for the ten or twelve years. Speaking of "coincidences" - although I can't completely agree with O. Tezuka when he said, "Coincidence doesn't happen a third time" it does get my attention.