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HockeyEast33
02-26-2015, 08:28 PM
The second one is on the books (Shannon Miller was #1 of course) - Amy Bourbeau is out at Brown. Nice person, very ethical by all accounts I've heard, but the success just wasn't there and they seem to be getting worse.

Add as you hear them.

shelfit
02-27-2015, 12:50 PM
The second one is on the books (Shannon Miller was #1 of course) - Amy Bourbeau is out at Brown. Nice person, very ethical by all accounts I've heard, but the success just wasn't there and they seem to be getting worse.

Add as you hear them.

I'm slightly surprised she resigned after only 4 years but agree the progress wasn't there. Never thought she had a head coach's personality. Very nice person but probably should have remained a career assistant. Hope she'll find an assistant coaching job somewhere else. She's good for the game. She would be great as a prep school head coach. That would be a more family friendly fit for her.

Genbeau
02-27-2015, 01:09 PM
The secooutone is on the books (Shannon Miller was #1 of course) - Amy Bourbeau is out at Brown. Nice person, very ethical by all accounts I've heard, but the success just wasn't there and they seem to be getting worse.

Add as you hear them.

very impressed by her ethics. too bad it didn't work out.

Skate79
02-28-2015, 09:37 PM
I'm slightly surprised she resigned after only 4 years but agree the progress wasn't there. Never thought she had a head coach's personality. Very nice person but probably should have remained a career assistant. Hope she'll find an assistant coaching job somewhere else. She's good for the game. She would be great as a prep school head coach. That would be a more family friendly fit for her.

I don't know her but watching Brown, it's really hard to win without talent. And she had very little to work with. Whether that's on her or her assistants is anyone's guess. Claudia Asano is going through much the same at Union. Maybe it's an administration issue?

HockeyEast33
02-28-2015, 10:07 PM
I don't know her but watching Brown, it's really hard to win without talent. And she had very little to work with. Whether that's on her or her assistants is anyone's guess. Claudia Asano is going through much the same at Union. Maybe it's an administration issue?

Both Bourbeau and Asano (especially Asano) were/are at their schools long enough to own the players (and the results of these players) on their teams. They hired the assistants. They own the results (or lack thereof).

Rightnut
03-01-2015, 09:15 AM
Both Bourbeau and Asano (especially Asano) were/are at their schools long enough to own the players (and the results of these players) on their teams. They hired the assistants. They own the results (or lack thereof).

I don't know anything about Brown women's hockey. It's a very good school so my assumption is that it would be attractive to recruits. Are they not competitive from a "financial aid" perspective as compared to other Ivies or do they have some other disadvantage? Or is it just poor recruiting and coaching?

ARM
03-01-2015, 09:23 AM
I do think that four years is only long enough to get a glimpse of what future recruiting classes may be like. The first class belongs to the previous regime. By the time the next staff is in place, much of the second group of recruits that will arrive during their tenure has already been whittled down; they are at a huge disadvantage to other coaching staffs that have been in place longer. We saw with Greg Fargo at Colgate that there was a big uptick in the quality of his recruits starting with his third season. I don't know about Brown specifically or how Bourbeau did as far as a recruiter, but it isn't simple math where one can say that after four years the coach is responsible for all of the players in house.

Hux
03-01-2015, 01:05 PM
I don't know anything about Brown women's hockey. It's a very good school so my assumption is that it would be attractive to recruits. Are they not competitive from a "financial aid" perspective as compared to other Ivies or do they have some other disadvantage? Or is it just poor recruiting and coaching?

Poor record, compounded by extremely stiff/unyielding entrance requirements, plus a plethora of scholarship programs mean a vertical climb when it comes recruiting A grade talent.

DelayedOffside
03-01-2015, 09:21 PM
I do think that four years is only long enough to get a glimpse of what future recruiting classes may be like. The first class belongs to the previous regime. By the time the next staff is in place, much of the second group of recruits that will arrive during their tenure has already been whittled down; they are at a huge disadvantage to other coaching staffs that have been in place longer. We saw with Greg Fargo at Colgate that there was a big uptick in the quality of his recruits starting with his third season. I don't know about Brown specifically or how Bourbeau did as far as a recruiter, but it isn't simple math where one can say that after four years the coach is responsible for all of the players in house.

What the hell are you talking about? At both Elmira and Colgate, Fargo's best years were with players he inherited and then got progressively worse with his own recruits. Although he had a good last regular season at Elmira lost in the first round of ECAC playoffs his last two years to Utica and Potsdam, both inferior teams. Now in third year at Colgate and record continues to get worse! Sorry, don't get it.

ARM
03-01-2015, 09:26 PM
What the hell are you talking about?…Now in third year at Colgate and record continues to get worse! Sorry, don't get it.There are some very good players in Colgate's freshman class this year. I was talking about recruiting, not player development.

DelayedOffside
03-01-2015, 09:40 PM
There are some very good players in Colgate's freshman class this year. I was talking about recruiting, not player development.

Fair enough ARM, however if you can't develop the players you recruit it doesn't bode well for the program in the long run.

ARM
03-01-2015, 09:41 PM
Fair enough ARM, however if you can't develop the players you recruit it doesn't bode well for the program in the long run.Sure, but if you follow the thread of the discussion, the point dealt with the general case of a new coach recruiting players, not Fargo or Colgate in particular.

hkypassion
03-02-2015, 02:47 PM
Fair enough ARM, however if you can't develop the players you recruit it doesn't bode well for the program in the long run.

Then let's add RPI to this list….manages to recruit good players (despite the technical school reputation and Troy, NY location!), but absolutely NOOOO development of the player. The girls' strongest season is typically their freshman year and, year after year, their end of season record is horrible which is another example of other teams improving as the season goes on, but not RPI. Coaches have to coach, develop, motivate, inspire, uplift - none of these qualities are evident within the RPI coaching ranks.

Call It
03-02-2015, 06:27 PM
Rensselaer, Colgate, Union, Brown, MN State, Providence, Vermont, UMD, RIT

I would think the coaches from these programs are on short leash, clearly the ones in Bold have been cut loose.

123kidd
03-02-2015, 06:32 PM
Thanks to Call_It for at least making a list. Not a lot of commentary or bashing. Just add names to the list happen you hear about them.

HockeyEast33
03-02-2015, 07:30 PM
Rensselaer, Colgate, Union, Brown, MN State, Providence, Vermont, UMD, RIT

I would think the coaches from these programs are on short leash, clearly the ones in Bold have been cut loose.

I doubt the Colgate, RIT, and UVM coaches are at risk. Be very surprised if any of those got the ax. Union, Providence, RPI for sure at risk. MN State - no idea.

HockeyEast33
03-02-2015, 07:32 PM
What the hell are you talking about? At both Elmira and Colgate, Fargo's best years were with players he inherited and then got progressively worse with his own recruits. Although he had a good last regular season at Elmira lost in the first round of ECAC playoffs his last two years to Utica and Potsdam, both inferior teams. Now in third year at Colgate and record continues to get worse! Sorry, don't get it.

Jackson won the NCAA championship with Fargo's recruits the year after he left. He must be an OK recruiter....

Plus-Minus
03-02-2015, 09:01 PM
RIT? Really? They won their division last year, and still have a .431 wins percentage. Possibly a building year, but still, being a team that is 3 years young in Division 1, I think this coach is doing very well.

I think Brown has managed to recruit some offensive talent, they averaged 2 goals per game, and are 7th in the ECAC for scoring, the issue is defence...

Union, no brainer...let's hope the AD finally wakes up, smells the coffee, and finally makes some changes for the girls.

Cali
03-02-2015, 09:07 PM
RIT? Really? They won their division last year, and still have a .431 wins percentage. Possibly a building year, but still, being a team that is 3 years young in Division 1, I think this coach is doing very well.

I think Brown has managed to recruit some offensive talent, they averaged 2 goals per game, and are 7th in the ECAC for scoring, the issue is defence...

Union, no brainer...let's hope the AD finally wakes up, smells the coffee, and finally makes some changes for the girls.

It's all just a matter of time.

DelayedOffside
03-03-2015, 12:10 AM
Jackson won the NCAA championship with Fargo's recruits the year after he left. He must be an OK recruiter....

I'm not saying he didn't recruit good players, only that he was unable to win anything with them. It took Jackson coming in to win that championship!