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  • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

    Question for everyone else, I was wondering what you think about removing the TUC comparison and transitioning that to QWB that is built into RPI? I feel like the QWB adjusted RPI should be a comparison, not the final RPI used to initially sort for PWR.

    This would allow for flipping comparisons based on quality wins but would also require winning the common opponents comparison and being at least .500 head to head.

    Here is analysis of the top 21 by QWB adjusted RPI vs RPI:

    1 1 North Dakota
    2 2 Minnesota State
    4 3 Minnesota-Duluth
    6 4 Miami
    7 5 Nebraska-Omaha
    5 6 Boston University
    3 7 Michigan Tech
    8 8 Denver
    10 9 Providence
    9 10 Boston College
    11 11 Quinnipiac
    13 12 Minnesota
    12 13 Yale
    14 14 Bowling Green
    15 15 Michigan
    16 16 Massachusetts-Lowell
    19 17 St. Cloud State
    17 18 Vermont
    18 19 Colgate
    21 20 Northeastern

    Then if we take that one step further and remove QWB adjusted RPI as the initial sort/tiebreaker and add it as a comparison and restore RPI as the initial sort/tiebreaker, here is what we get for PWR:

    1 1 North Dakota
    2 2 Minnesota State
    3 3 Minnesota-Duluth
    4 6 Boston University
    5 7 Michigan Tech
    6 4 Miami
    7 5 Nebraska-Omaha
    8 8 Denver
    9 9 Providence
    10 10 Boston College
    11 12 Quinnipiac
    12 13 Yale
    13 11 Minnesota
    14 14 Bowling Green
    15 15 Michigan
    16 16 Massachusetts-Lowell
    17 19 Vermont
    18 18 Colgate
    19 17 St. Cloud State
    20 22 Harvard
    21 20 Northeastern
    22 21 St. Lawrence

    (1st column RPI based PWR, 2nd column QWB adjusted RPI based PWR)
    Not a lot changes but I feel like putting QWB adjusted RPI in as the tiebreaking comparison gives way too much of an edge to the NCHC for what amounts to 10% of the games.
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    • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

      Just looked this up, from the official NCAA media schedule. Sunday 03/22/2015 NOON Division I Men's Ice Hockey Selection Show (16 Teams) ESPNU

      Hasn't it been on regular ESPN in the past?
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      • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

        I think ESPN2 a couple times. Other than that pretty sure it's just been on ESPNU or News.
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        • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

          Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
          I think ESPN2 a couple times. Other than that pretty sure it's just been on ESPNU or News.
          That sounds about right.
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          • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

            PWR at the end of 3/6/15 (after the Neverending Story that was UMass/Notre Dame)

            1. North Dakota
            2. Minnesota State
            3. Minnesota Duluth
            4. Denver
            5. BU
            6. Michigan Tech
            7. Miami
            8. Nebraska-Omaha
            9. Providence
            10. BC
            11. Minnesota
            12. Quinnipiac
            13. Yale
            14. Bowling Green
            15. Lowell
            -------------
            25. Robert Morris

            Which gives us..

            Fargo
            1. North Dakota
            4. Robert Morris

            2. Nebraska-Omaha
            3. Providence

            South Bend
            1. Minnesota State
            4. Lowell

            2. Miami
            3. BC

            Manchester
            1. Minnesota - Duluth
            4. Bowling Green

            2. Michigan Tech
            3. Minnesota

            Providence
            1. Denver
            4. Yale

            2. BU
            3. Quinnipiac


            No intraconference matchups, but Manchester is going to be a ghost town. We can swap Lowell/Bowling Green and BC/Minnesota

            Fargo
            1. North Dakota
            4. Robert Morris

            2. Nebraska-Omaha
            3. Providence

            South Bend
            1. Minnesota State
            4. Bowling Green

            2. Miami
            3. Minnesota

            Manchester
            1. Minnesota - Duluth
            4. Lowell

            2. Michigan Tech
            3. BC

            Providence
            1. Denver
            4. Yale

            2. BU
            3. Quinnipiac

            The changes help attendance, and they move teams that sit next to each other on the PWR, so it's not a huge integrity swing. It also doesn't put Minnesota in Fargo, so we don't have to listen to that noise for another year.
            It's late, I might have done this incorrectly. And it's sure to change by the end of Saturday, but I think that's where it sits right now.
            Last edited by Patronick; 03-07-2015, 03:08 AM. Reason: words and order
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            • Originally posted by Patronick View Post
              PWR at the end of 3/6/15 (after the Neverending Story that was UMass/Notre Dame)

              1. North Dakota
              2. Minnesota State
              3. Minnesota Duluth
              4. Denver
              5. BU
              6. Michigan Tech
              7. Miami
              8. Nebraska-Omaha
              9. Providence
              10. BC
              11. Minnesota
              12. Quinnipiac
              13. Yale
              14. Bowling Green
              15. Lowell
              -------------
              25. Robert Morris

              Which gives us..

              Fargo
              1. North Dakota
              4. Robert Morris

              2. Nebraska-Omaha
              3. Providence

              South Bend
              1. Minnesota State
              4. Lowell

              2. Miami
              3. BC

              Manchester
              1. Minnesota - Duluth
              4. Bowling Green

              2. Michigan Tech
              3. Minnesota

              Providence
              1. Denver
              4. Yale

              2. BU
              3. Quinnipiac


              No intraconference matchups, but Manchester is going to be a ghost town. We can swap Lowell/Bowling Green and BC/Minnesota

              Fargo
              1. North Dakota
              4. Robert Morris

              2. Nebraska-Omaha
              3. Providence

              South Bend
              1. Minnesota State
              4. Bowling Green

              2. Miami
              3. Minnesota

              Manchester
              1. Minnesota - Duluth
              4. Lowell

              2. Michigan Tech
              3. BC

              Providence
              1. Denver
              4. Yale

              2. BU
              3. Quinnipiac

              The changes help attendance, and they move teams that sit next to each other on the PWR, so it's not a huge integrity swing. It also doesn't put Minnesota in Fargo, so we don't have to listen to that noise for another year.
              It's late, I might have done this incorrectly. And it's sure to change by the end of Saturday, but I think that's where it sits right now.

              I think they ship BC before Providence and put BU in Manchester
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              • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                Originally posted by The Zlax45 View Post
                I think they ship BC before Providence and put BU in Manchester
                BC and BU are going to draw more than PC and either BC/BU, regardless of who plays in Manchester and who plays in Providence. With Yale, BU and the Q in Providence there won't be an attendance problem.
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                • Originally posted by Patronick View Post
                  PWR at the end of 3/6/15 (after the Neverending Story that was UMass/Notre Dame)

                  1. North Dakota
                  2. Minnesota State
                  3. Minnesota Duluth
                  4. Denver
                  5. BU
                  6. Michigan Tech
                  7. Miami
                  8. Nebraska-Omaha
                  9. Providence
                  10. BC
                  11. Minnesota
                  12. Quinnipiac
                  13. Yale
                  14. Bowling Green
                  15. Lowell
                  -------------
                  25. Robert Morris

                  Which gives us..

                  Fargo
                  1. North Dakota
                  4. Robert Morris

                  2. Nebraska-Omaha
                  3. Providence

                  South Bend
                  1. Minnesota State
                  4. Lowell

                  2. Miami
                  3. BC

                  Manchester
                  1. Minnesota - Duluth
                  4. Bowling Green

                  2. Michigan Tech
                  3. Minnesota

                  Providence
                  1. Denver
                  4. Yale

                  2. BU
                  3. Quinnipiac


                  No intraconference matchups, but Manchester is going to be a ghost town. We can swap Lowell/Bowling Green and BC/Minnesota

                  Fargo
                  1. North Dakota
                  4. Robert Morris

                  2. Nebraska-Omaha
                  3. Providence

                  South Bend
                  1. Minnesota State
                  4. Bowling Green

                  2. Miami
                  3. Minnesota

                  Manchester
                  1. Minnesota - Duluth
                  4. Lowell

                  2. Michigan Tech
                  3. BC

                  Providence
                  1. Denver
                  4. Yale

                  2. BU
                  3. Quinnipiac

                  The changes help attendance, and they move teams that sit next to each other on the PWR, so it's not a huge integrity swing. It also doesn't put Minnesota in Fargo, so we don't have to listen to that noise for another year.
                  It's late, I might have done this incorrectly. And it's sure to change by the end of Saturday, but I think that's where it sits right now.
                  Minnesota State and Bowling Green are in the same conference. They won't be matched up in the first round.
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                  • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                    Minnesota State and Bowling Green are in the same conference. They won't be matched up in the first round.
                    So who moves--Yale or Lowell?
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                    • Originally posted by vizoroo View Post
                      So who moves--Yale or Lowell?
                      Another option would be to swap Duluth and Mankato.
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                      • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                        Originally posted by vizoroo View Post
                        So who moves--Yale or Lowell?
                        Neither.

                        Fargo
                        #1 North Dakota vs Robert Morris
                        Omaha vs Providence

                        South Bend
                        #3 Duluth vs Bowling Green
                        Miami vs Minnesota

                        Manchester
                        #2 Mankato vs Lowell
                        Michigan Tech vs Boston C

                        Providence
                        #4 Denver vs Yale
                        Boston U vs Quinnipiac

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                        • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                          Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                          Neither.

                          Fargo
                          #1 North Dakota vs Robert Morris
                          Omaha vs Providence

                          South Bend
                          #3 Duluth vs Bowling Green
                          Miami vs Minnesota

                          Manchester
                          #2 Mankato vs Lowell
                          Michigan Tech vs Boston C

                          Providence
                          #4 Denver vs Yale
                          Boston U vs Quinnipiac
                          UND vs UNO=Barn Burner
                          GO DU !!!

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                          • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                            I'm sorry but I dont care how good of a SOS you have NO team with a losing record should be in the top16 of pairwise,
                            this system is broken.
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                            • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                              Fargo
                              #1 North Dakota vs Robert Morris
                              Denver vs Providence

                              South Bend
                              #4 Miami vs Bowling Green
                              Michigan Tech vs Quinnipiac

                              Manchester
                              #2 Mankato vs Lowell
                              Omaha vs Boston C

                              Providence
                              #3 Duluth vs Minnesota
                              Boston U vs Yale

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                              • Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

                                Originally posted by Cat lover View Post
                                I'm sorry but I dont care how good of a SOS you have NO team with a losing record should be in the top16 of pairwise,
                                this system is broken.
                                No it's not because it accounts for that happening, as all sub .500 teams are automatically disqualified from tournament consideration.
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