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hobeyfaker
11-16-2014, 05:45 PM
To be fair, he did get a bit of crap for that, but that was because he kept bringing it up repeatedly, to the point where it felt like he was just making excuses. He kept talking about Purcell leaving early like four years after he'd gone.

Lomberg gone may or may not be having an impact on this team, but you'll never hear Red bringing the subject up.

Here's the question - If Red had been coaching either of the two Timmay nat. title game teams, or any of the other NCAA teams, espec. the 2012 team, would he have won any of those games that Whitehead lost?

Runsub5
11-16-2014, 05:49 PM
To be fair, he did get a bit of crap for that,.........

Thanks for confirming my memory.

Runsub5
11-16-2014, 05:57 PM
Here's the question - If Red had been coaching either of the two Timmay nat. title game teams, or any of the other NCAA teams, espec. the 2012 team, would he have won any of those games that Whitehead lost?

We will know the answer to that question if Gendron ever gets the team to a HE title game or NCAA play.

blackbearbandie
11-16-2014, 06:07 PM
Here's the question - If Red had been coaching either of the two Timmay nat. title game teams, or any of the other NCAA teams, espec. the 2012 team, would he have won any of those games that Whitehead lost?

The game in St Louis for the Frozen Four was one where tragedy struck before the game, and not many people know about that. Whitehead found out just before the game that his mother-in-law died in a car accident on the way to the game, and he didn't let any of the players know until after the game.

walrus
11-16-2014, 06:21 PM
The game in St Louis for the Frozen Four was one where tragedy struck before the game, and not many people know about that. Whitehead found out just before the game that his mother-in-law died in a car accident on the way to the game, and he didn't let any of the players know until after the game.

Maine certainly wasn't a favorite to win that year.

all bear
11-16-2014, 06:23 PM
Here's the question - If Red had been coaching either of the two Timmay nat. title game teams, or any of the other NCAA teams, espec. the 2012 team, would he have won any of those games that Whitehead lost?

Stupid question. Who Ta phk can possibly know

walrus
11-16-2014, 06:27 PM
Stupid question. Who Ta phk can possibly know

Carnac?

hobeyfaker
11-16-2014, 06:49 PM
:confused:
Carnac?

Not if asked within the context of, would a different coach have chosen different strategies, ie, different player/line matchups, players on the ice, especially late in games, given how close many of those games were. A pair of two goal leads in two diff games coughed up, surrendering tying and OT goals? C'mon throw Mrs. Whitehead a doggy bone.:confused:

Tango
11-16-2014, 09:39 PM
Red has been on the job 16 Months!!!!

It took Walsh 3 seasons to have a winning record at Maine. It took York 4 seasons to have a winning record at BC.

Look at the coaching history page. No one showed up, brought in ten blue chippers, and went on to steamroll the league in a season and a half!

You guys are a bunch of salads!

hobeyfaker
11-16-2014, 10:12 PM
Red has been on the job 16 Months!!!!

It took Walsh 3 seasons to have a winning record at Maine. It took York 4 seasons to have a winning record at BC.

Look at the coaching history page. No one showed up, brought in ten blue chippers, and went on to steamroll the league in a season and a half!

You guys are a bunch of salads!



When Walsh took over it was a completely diff set of circumstances. More a newbie program with zero history of success. Not even remotely compareable. He was building a program brick by brick. BTW - Bazin at Lowell did just what you said no one s done.

rufus
11-16-2014, 10:28 PM
Seven seasons, three with winning records when Walsh took over.

What history of success had Whitehead had over the last seven seasons? You'd have been calling for Walshy's head halfway into his second season if you had been around back then.

hobeyfaker
11-16-2014, 10:39 PM
Red has been on the job 16 Months!!!!

It took Walsh 3 seasons to have a winning record at Maine. It took York 4 seasons to have a winning record at BC.

Look at the coaching history page. No one showed up, brought in ten blue chippers, and went on to steamroll the league in a season and a half!

You guys are a bunch of salads!

Bazin took a 5-24 team to two consecutive NCAA appearances, in his first two seasons. It can be done.

Tango
11-16-2014, 10:54 PM
When Walsh took over it was a completely diff set of circumstances. More a newbie program with zero history of success. Not even remotely compareable. He was building a program brick by brick. BTW - Bazin at Lowell did just what you said no one s done.

Norm got a team with some goal scoring ability and two top end goalies already on the team to play well. Yes Norm did that. Steamrolled the leage with top recruiting classes. Not close my salady friend!

Give Red the goaltending Norm inherited his first two years and their an easy NCAA team last year and at least at 500 with a tough schedual this year.

walrus
11-17-2014, 08:25 AM
Norm got a team with some goal scoring ability and two top end goalies already on the team to play well. Yes Norm did that. Steamrolled the leage with top recruiting classes. Not close my salady friend!

Give Red the goaltending Norm inherited his first two years and their an easy NCAA team last year and at least at 500 with a tough schedual this year.
Marty wasn't chopped liver, he had a good goalie last year. The team tanked at the end. What are the chances he lost them at the end of the season? I think its possible and thats on Red. The same things keep happening this year.

Drew S.
11-17-2014, 09:09 AM
Marty wasn't chopped liver, he had a good goalie last year. The team tanked at the end. What are the chances he lost them at the end of the season? I think its possible and thats on Red. The same things keep happening this year.

I don't buy the whole team tanking at the end thing. Maine wouldn't have beaten Providence regardless of when they played them. If Northeastern would have won their last regular season game things might have turned out a lot differently.

umhockey91
11-17-2014, 11:13 AM
So I am going to pull one from the Whitehead apologist playbook.........if not Gendron then who??? Come on you bunch of college hockey know-it-alls.......you must have a bunch of coaching candidates in mind?

Here's the deal........Maine is no longer a top level program in any way, shape or form. I look at UM hockey as being similar to the football program.......they are in a top level conference which competes for national championships, but there are numerous teams in the conference with much better programs that have more resources, better facilities and larger fan bases. That doesn't mean that every once in a while that Maine can't compete for an NCAA playoff berth or maybe a once a decade Frozen 4 berth.......but the days of annual playoff bound teams are over.

Drew S.
11-17-2014, 11:47 AM
So I am going to pull one from the Whitehead apologist playbook.........if not Gendron then who??? Come on you bunch of college hockey know-it-alls.......you must have a bunch of coaching candidates in mind?

Here's the deal........Maine is no longer a top level program in any way, shape or form. I look at UM hockey as being similar to the football program.......they are in a top level conference which competes for national championships, but there are numerous teams in the conference with much better programs that have more resources, better facilities and larger fan bases. That doesn't mean that every once in a while that Maine can't compete for an NCAA playoff berth or maybe a once a decade Frozen 4 berth.......but the days of annual playoff bound teams are over.

Maybe Matt Thomas? I think Ronan could be a candidate down the road. I think Cavanaugh would have been ideal last time around but it never sounded like he was really in the frame.

Look at the pairwise standings. The days of the good programs and bad programs have disappeared, unfortunately. I think Maine will improve in the upcoming seasons but don't think things will ever be the way they used to be. That has more to do with college hockey in general than Maine's program.

umhockey91
11-17-2014, 12:43 PM
Maybe Matt Thomas? I think Ronan could be a candidate down the road. I think Cavanaugh would have been ideal last time around but it never sounded like he was really in the frame.

Look at the pairwise standings. The days of the good programs and bad programs have disappeared, unfortunately. I think Maine will improve in the upcoming seasons but don't think things will ever be the way they used to be. That has more to do with college hockey in general than Maine's program.

Agreed.

Red is a good fit for this program at this time in this era. There were other issues with Whitehead beyond recruiting......he alienated fans, donors, and alums. He was not a good ambassador or promoter of the program. Red fits the bill there.......and he has a lot of experience and contacts....hopefully those will serve him well and just maybe......maybe......he will lead Maine to a Frozen 4 before is all said and done.

Hokydad
11-17-2014, 01:00 PM
Corkum was the guy and if was 1A than Red is 1B
Red will do fine, great guy, very good coach and cares about program. Give him 2 or 3 years to put his identity on team

ck1969
11-17-2014, 01:54 PM
Look at the pairwise standings. The days of the good programs and bad programs have disappeared, unfortunately. I think Maine will improve in the upcoming seasons but don't think things will ever be the way they used to be. That has more to do with college hockey in general than Maine's program.

Bingo. Been kinda saying the same thing for a couple years now. The BC's and Minnys of the world will always compete. But the rest of the landscape will be fluid. Just look who's #1 in the polls this week. Look who's been in the frz 4's the last few years. The times have changed. Jr's and early signings have depleted the talent pool greatly. recruiting is more competitive than ever esp when a kid knows he can go to a Prov, UML. Union, Qpac etc etc and compete for a title. 10 years ago a kid had to go to a BC, Michigan, No Dak,.....Maine, to have a shot at a nat champ. It's not like that anymore. Nor will it ever be again. Being relevant as a program is going to more on the league level than the national level. Trips to the Frz 4 are going to be a one or twice a decade thing, not an annual thing. Just the way it is. IMO.