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umhockey91
11-10-2014, 10:51 AM
The fact that all the freshmen are playing over guys like Cerratani, Norman, and Campbell has to be a good sign. I think it looks like a really good class, especially when you factor in that Red probably didn't have a ton of money to work with.

I agree........this freshman class will be a nice foundation to work with. The Club Whitehead guys need to be purged (graduate) before true progress can be made.

Drew S.
11-10-2014, 11:18 AM
If Whitehead was such a great recruiter with all of those NHLers.......why didn't he win more??? You can't have it all........either he was or wasn't a good recruiter........either he was or wasn't a good coach........if he was good at both then Maine should have made more appearances in Boston and the NCAA tourney, no???

Whietehad had his fans no doubt......they come out of the woodwork everytime Gendron farts.:rolleyes:

There is no doubt Timmy did a great job with certain recruits, he even put together two wonderful classes in 2008 and 2012. The problem was all the rubbish in between. I probably could put together an entire 20 man team of guys he brought in who flat out weren't good enough. It would be interesting to hear from someone like Runsub on where he thinks Timmy went wrong. I suspect putting too much emphasis on grades might have been a big part of it.

umhockey91
11-10-2014, 11:37 AM
There is no doubt Timmy did a great job with certain recruits, he even put together two wonderful classes in 2008 and 2012. The problem was all the rubbish in between. I probably could put together an entire 20 man team of guys he brought in who flat out weren't good enough. It would be interesting to hear from someone like Runsub on where he thinks Timmy went wrong. I suspect putting too much emphasis on grades might have been a big part of it.

I don't think that top players wanted to play his "style" either.....BORING!

hobeyfaker
11-10-2014, 11:54 AM
The main reason Whitehead didn't win in his last 5 years there was he couldn't recruit, or wasn't able to keep, the most important player/position on the ice - a goaltender.

BBDiehard14
11-10-2014, 12:10 PM
I have been reading these Maine Hockey threads for years now. Those of you who are willing to give Red a 3-4 year pass are being far too patient. As already stated, Prov and Lowell did it within a year or two. This team needs to be winning more games now. I'm so sick and tired of the losing. At the present time, the only talented players we have had in the past 5 years have all been Whitehead recruits. Does anyone really believe we are gonna be better next year when two all Americans are gone? We won't be. Red needs to be held fully accountable for this teams performance this season, and I believe even he would agree. On most nights, we simply don't have enough talented players on the ice to beat descent teams. Our goaltenders aren't good enough to steal games and the team speed isn't great. We are a very mediocre hockey team and I don't see this changing anytime soon. It's very frustrating and discouraging.



Amen!!! Sick of this 'Rome wasn't built in a day' crap. This is a rabid fan base and losing does not sit well with us. We want NCAA appearances, not looking up at BC and BU every year

hobeyfaker
11-10-2014, 12:35 PM
Amen!!! Sick of this 'Rome wasn't built in a day' crap. This is a rabid fan base and losing does not sit well with us. We want NCAA appearances, not looking up at BC and BU every year

Yup - We need look no further away then the ECAC and teams coming outta nowhere and winning national titles and having success. How did Union, without a single hockey scholarship, Yale, and Quinipiac do it?

rufus
11-10-2014, 12:35 PM
I heard rumors that late last year the team tuned out the barking. Not sure if it's true or not but it fits. Red is pretty intense and will get in your face in a heartbeat just talking to him

Then there's the problem. Bunch of prima donnas who have been stars everywhere they played, had it easy on the ice, and spoiled rotten their whole lives, and now when they suddenly aren't stars or aren't successful, rather than listen and learn how to do the hard things they need to do to be successful, would rather just coast along in mediocrity.

If you as a hockey player can't pay attention to a guy who's got Stanley Cup rings, and do what he wants you to do, who are you gonna pay attention to?

rufus
11-10-2014, 12:40 PM
Bazin at Lowell has been incredible........credit given there.

Well yeah. TIMMAY taught him everything he knows.

Aerman
11-10-2014, 05:20 PM
Yup - We need look no further away then the ECAC and teams coming outta nowhere and winning national titles and having success. How did Union, without a single hockey scholarship, Yale, and Quinipiac do it?

Do you really think Union doesn't have hockey scholarships? There are all kinds of imaginative euphemisms available without calling it an athletic scholarship.

Runsub5
11-10-2014, 05:24 PM
There is no doubt Timmy did a great job with certain recruits, he even put together two wonderful classes in 2008 and 2012. The problem was all the rubbish in between. I probably could put together an entire 20 man team of guys he brought in who flat out weren't good enough. It would be interesting to hear from someone like Runsub on where he thinks Timmy went wrong. I suspect putting too much emphasis on grades might have been a big part of it.

Since you asked me.;) In my opinion It was indeed recruiting. Maine can recruit enough talent for a decent 1st and 2nd line, but not enough talent for a 3rd and 4th. When he had enough talent there was not a talented goal tender. It really starts with money. The last several years, other schools are committing more financial resources to their programs. New ice arenas and new programs (Penn State). The million dollar endowment that Savage recently established is a step in the right direction.

hobeyfaker
11-10-2014, 06:14 PM
Do you really think Union doesn't have hockey scholarships? There are all kinds of imaginative euphemisms available without calling it an athletic scholarship.

I am aware of this yes. Scholarships can be disguised in a number of ways, still, it's amazing a small school like this without official hockey scholarships could do what it did.

blackbearbandie
11-10-2014, 07:32 PM
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/11/10/sports/hockey-east/maine-center-higgins-happy-to-be-back-on-the-ice-after-injury-last-season/

Latest from Mahoney, with optimistic quotes from players on turning things around...

hobeyfaker
11-10-2014, 07:58 PM
[QUOTE=blackbearbandie;6036159]http://bangordailynews.com/2014/11/10/sports/hockey-east/maine-center-higgins-happy-to-be-back-on-the-ice-after-injury-last-season/

Latest from Mahoney, with optimistic quotes from players on turning things around...[/QUOTE

Blah.....Blah....Blah.., Im tired of hearing this. Start delivering on the ice.

all bear
11-10-2014, 08:44 PM
[QUOTE=blackbearbandie;6036159]http://bangordailynews.com/2014/11/10/sports/hockey-east/maine-center-higgins-happy-to-be-back-on-the-ice-after-injury-last-season/

Latest from Mahoney, with optimistic quotes from players on turning things around...[/QUOTE

Blah.....Blah....Blah.., Im tired of hearing this. Start delivering on the ice.

I'm already tired of listening to you hobey. Go do something useful.

Fishman'81
11-10-2014, 09:20 PM
Do you really think Union doesn't have hockey scholarships? There are all kinds of imaginative euphemisms available without calling it an athletic scholarship.

Oh yeah.

My friend's son was recruited by Union (for D-3 football, FCS) and this was a kid who shot his way out of a mediocre high school. He received a full ride at Union via what they called a "grant-in-aid", which is code for an athletic scholarship.

I'm not complaining: it's a level playing field now, unlike how it was say 20 years ago when one could use the term EZAC with a straight face... But I'd be surprised if Union, The Q, etc. have any fewer de-facto scholarship players than Michigan or Maine do. (Very surprised.)

Doubleminor
11-11-2014, 04:18 PM
The "summertime" thing was getting a bit old, so here's a new thread for the rest of the season.

Thoughts on UMass?

Is Musil injured? Saw him play early on and he looked comfortable out there. Been out of lineup recently.

Drew S.
11-11-2014, 04:39 PM
Is Musil injured? Saw him play early on and he looked comfortable out there. Been out of lineup recently.

I don't think he's hurt, it's more a case that Red prefers the size of Hayes and Merchant. With that being said, I think Musil is going to be a decent player for Maine. He is a lot better than I expected.

TERRIERFANinLA
11-11-2014, 04:56 PM
Oh yeah.

My friend's son was recruited by Union (for D-3 football, FCS) and this was a kid who shot his way out of a mediocre high school. He received a full ride at Union via what they called a "grant-in-aid", which is code for an athletic scholarship.

I'm not complaining: it's a level playing field now, unlike how it was say 20 years ago when one could use the term EZAC with a straight face... But I'd be surprised if Union, The Q, etc. have any fewer de-facto scholarship players than Michigan or Maine do. (Very surprised.)

ohh, PULEEEZ, next your gonna try telling us that BC has different academic standards for their regular students than for their student athletes.

WINK!!!

walrus
11-11-2014, 05:21 PM
I don't think he's hurt, it's more a case that Red prefers the size of Hayes and Merchant. With that being said, I think Musil is going to be a decent player for Maine. He is a lot better than I expected.

Not strong enough

Fishman'81
11-11-2014, 09:37 PM
Watching Brian Flynn right now. He's on the 4th line of a very young Buffalo team but absolutely looks like he belongs on the ice. He's improved his speed and is making things happen, and playing very well in his own end. Has logged some PK minutes vs. a very good Blues team.

I think he'll be around for a while... (And I wonder why Abbott hasn't been called up, the way he's been lighting the lamps in the AHL.)