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Nick Papagiorgio
11-06-2014, 09:52 AM
I'm kind of pleasantly surprised that the knee jerk reactions were put on hold last night from the BC crowd. Now that we could all sleep on it, let's take a step back, recap what's been happening lately with this program and maybe look ahead. This was at face value a meaningless game in November and if any program can point to the fact that October through February is fairly meaningless it's BC (as long as you win your fair share to get yourself in the NCAAs, which should be shooting fish in a barrel for a program like BC). But really the result last night is a symptom of bigger issues.

Since the 2012 title, we've had numerous red flags popping up like crazy and some big changes to the program and other programs. Last night's loss was undoubtedly the worst loss in the history of this hockey program. Not necessarily in order:

-Jerry had his eye problems. His eye is ok now supposedly. But he doesn't seem to be the same.
-Blasted by Union in the first round. A rare first round loss and a beating at that. AWFUL team that year.
-Cav left. Uh oh.
-Mike Ayers comes in. How do we feel about him? Good hire? Bad hire?
-Logue retires.
-Marty McInnis joins the staff.
-Parker retires and BU hires Quinn. Uh oh the party is over
-Loss to Holy Cross.
-Another loss to Union (semi-blasted).
-Milano douchie.
-Loss to Uconn.

In the previous 10+ years we saw almost no changes. Paluch left and was replaced by Brown and things just kept rolling. Parker was still there running his program into the ground. Everything was great.

In the midst of all of this, we saw bizarre personnel decisions. Recruit Sullivan from another school, cut him so you can put Linell on defense. What? Put Linell on a line with JG and promptly ruin the 2013 season and the 2013 Hobey for JG. Keeping Spiro locked up. Hesitating to insert Doherty in a similar fashion to Spiro. Richardson being stuck in the stands. But... Straight plays. Sit plays. Linell plays. To many of us, it would seem superior players were/are struggling to get ice time while certain guys play almost every game. I'm not knocking the kids, I just don't believe the best players were put out there. The lineups for the past 2+ seasons were... I don't know how to even accurately describe it. Infuriating.

Recruiting. For two recruiting cycles the staff brought in Linell, Spiro, Straight, Sit, Smith, Silk, McMullen at forward and got a last minute gift of a lifetime in Johnny Gaudreau. Gift. Of. A. Lifetime. Again, not honking on the kids, they are probably legitimately doing their best. I like them (I know you parents get antsy). But this is not what BC hockey recruiting should look like. Keep in mind this was before Quinn showed up at BU and started destroying York. And Cav was still around to recruit these classes. Is there a legitimate explanation for this? One player, fine. Two, ok. Two entire classes will basically set you back 4 years until you can graduate them all. We're just getting underway in Year 3. Keep that in mind. Still a long way to get out of this hole and HOPE the busts stop and the recruiting is on target for future classes. In the meantime that is a huge window of opportunity for other programs (hi BU) to flip everything.

Future: How do we feel about this coaching staff right now? How long does JY have left? Brown's future as HC? Cav coming back? How do we feel about the development of players? Future recruiting? Will Fitzgerald stop taking critical penalties? Is Cangelosi going to be a bust? Is the Golden Age of BC hockey over? (hint: the answer is yes)

Reality: Fix the PP and BC is probably back to being a good team and with some luck can do some damage. Not going to be NC caliber for a while IMO. Just need some time to get through this now that the table is set this way.

all bear
11-06-2014, 10:17 AM
You guys out of your mind? Letting Uconn win? Did Jerwee play the donut hole or something? Baffling :D

5mn_Major
11-06-2014, 10:18 AM
Nice post Nick.

Tater
11-06-2014, 10:19 AM
Recruiting. For two recruiting cycles the staff brought in Linell, Spiro, Straight, Sit, Smith, Silk, McMullen at forward and got a last minute gift of a lifetime in Johnny Gaudreau. .

Were some these kids considered top-flight prospects when they were recruited and just didn't develop further before they arrived at BC? Even before Gaudreau fell into BC's lap, I don't recall hearing any complaints about BC recruiting during the timeframe these kids committed.

Tater
11-06-2014, 10:24 AM
Is the Golden Age of BC hockey over? (hint: the answer is yes)



Don't believe it for a second. 1) They are still going to be a very good team this year and 2) The next couple recruiting classes are stacked and were stacked even before Quinn came onboard.

FiveHole12
11-06-2014, 10:58 AM
Lost in the UNTHINKABLE trap game loss to UConn... line changes Wednesday night....

Straight-Gilmour-Calnan
Sanford-Fitzgerald-Tuch
Smith-Cangelosi-Silk
Spiro-Sit-Linell

McCoshen-Hanifin
Savage-Matheson
Jeke-Doherty

Demko
Barone

OK... I'd like to see Straight and Spiro switch and see what happens. ;)

Scarlet
11-06-2014, 11:05 AM
Lost in the UNTHINKABLE trap game loss to UConn... line changes Wednesday night....

Straight-Gilmour-Calnan
Sanford-Fitzgerald-Tuch
Smith-Cangelosi-Silk
Spiro-Sit-Linell

McCoshen-Hanifin
Savage-Matheson
Jeke-Doherty

Demko
Barone

OK... I'd like to see Straight and Spiro switch and see what happens. ;)

Random non-sensical observation -- wow, you guys have a lot of players whose last name begins with S.

jcarter7669
11-06-2014, 11:18 AM
Future: How do we feel about this coaching staff right now? How long does JY have left? B

JY has as long as he want's... that said he getting older, his rummy partner retired and his team is going down hill the same way JaPa's did. Two years at best and he's collecting Social Secruity. He saw how crazy Parker got at the end and probably wants to retire before he completely loses his mind and starts randomly kicking kids out of the program for things like studying, making rap videos, and having sex in the penalty box. Oops that kid didn't get booted...

Ronnieb
11-06-2014, 11:21 AM
Don't believe it for a second. 1) They are still going to be a very good team this year and 2) The next couple recruiting classes are stacked and were stacked even before Quinn came onboard.

Please show me where this is stacked? 4 or 5 of these are Atlantic hockey at best. The NTDP and NHL draft pick thing thing is a joke, start looking farther than the end of the nose for recruits. Get kids that can really play hard nosed D1 hockey and get away from the hype players. this list is average at best.

2015-16 Birdsall, Chris G 1996 Wood, Miles LW 1995
Shero, Chris LW 1995
Brown, Christopher C 1996
Dudek, Joey C 1996
Bracco, Jeremy RW 1997
2016-17 Fitzgerald, Casey RD 1997 White, Colin RW 1997
Moore, Connor RD 1997 Cotton, David C 1997
Walker, Zach RW 1998
McPhee, Graham LW 1998
2017-18 McInnis, Luke LD 1998 Graham, Monte C/RW 1998
2018-19 Tortora, Jacob LW 1999
Walsh, TJ C 2000

claver2010
11-06-2014, 11:41 AM
I'm kind of pleasantly surprised that the knee jerk reactions were put on hold last night from the BC crowd. Now that we could all sleep on it, let's take a step back, recap what's been happening lately with this program and maybe look ahead. This was at face value a meaningless game in November and if any program can point to the fact that October through February is fairly meaningless it's BC (as long as you win your fair share to get yourself in the NCAAs, which should be shooting fish in a barrel for a program like BC). But really the result last night is a symptom of bigger issues.

Since the 2012 title, we've had numerous red flags popping up like crazy and some big changes to the program and other programs. Last night's loss was undoubtedly the worst loss in the history of this hockey program. Not necessarily in order:

-Jerry had his eye problems. His eye is ok now supposedly. But he doesn't seem to be the same.
-Blasted by Union in the first round. A rare first round loss and a beating at that. AWFUL team that year.
-Cav left. Uh oh.
-Mike Ayers comes in. How do we feel about him? Good hire? Bad hire?
-Logue retires.
-Marty McInnis joins the staff.
-Parker retires and BU hires Quinn. Uh oh the party is over
-Loss to Holy Cross.
-Another loss to Union (semi-blasted).
-Milano douchie.
-Loss to Uconn.

In the previous 10+ years we saw almost no changes. Paluch left and was replaced by Brown and things just kept rolling. Parker was still there running his program into the ground. Everything was great.

In the midst of all of this, we saw bizarre personnel decisions. Recruit Sullivan from another school, cut him so you can put Linell on defense. What? Put Linell on a line with JG and promptly ruin the 2013 season and the 2013 Hobey for JG. Keeping Spiro locked up. Hesitating to insert Doherty in a similar fashion to Spiro. Richardson being stuck in the stands. But... Straight plays. Sit plays. Linell plays. To many of us, it would seem superior players were/are struggling to get ice time while certain guys play almost every game. I'm not knocking the kids, I just don't believe the best players were put out there. The lineups for the past 2+ seasons were... I don't know how to even accurately describe it. Infuriating.

Recruiting. For two recruiting cycles the staff brought in Linell, Spiro, Straight, Sit, Smith, Silk, McMullen at forward and got a last minute gift of a lifetime in Johnny Gaudreau. Gift. Of. A. Lifetime. Again, not honking on the kids, they are probably legitimately doing their best. I like them (I know you parents get antsy). But this is not what BC hockey recruiting should look like. Keep in mind this was before Quinn showed up at BU and started destroying York. And Cav was still around to recruit these classes. Is there a legitimate explanation for this? One player, fine. Two, ok. Two entire classes will basically set you back 4 years until you can graduate them all. We're just getting underway in Year 3. Keep that in mind. Still a long way to get out of this hole and HOPE the busts stop and the recruiting is on target for future classes. In the meantime that is a huge window of opportunity for other programs (hi BU) to flip everything.

Future: How do we feel about this coaching staff right now? How long does JY have left? Brown's future as HC? Cav coming back? How do we feel about the development of players? Future recruiting? Will Fitzgerald stop taking critical penalties? Is Cangelosi going to be a bust? Is the Golden Age of BC hockey over? (hint: the answer is yes)

Reality: Fix the PP and BC is probably back to being a good team and with some luck can do some damage. Not going to be NC caliber for a while IMO. Just need some time to get through this now that the table is set this way.

As I said, I thought this one had trap game written all over it + run into a hot goalie = not jumping off the Tobin.

To be honest I don't think the problems run that deep. We all know what they are. Again it's not the kids fault but there's two classes of F that provide nothing offensively. I know people might get offended by that and it's not the kids fault but anyone who has watched the team over the past couple of years knows it. Last year we all saw what happened down the stretch, esp in the ND series. The difference between last year's team and this year's team is that last year they were on the 4th line or in suits, now it's half of the 12 forwards that dress every night.

Would it be great if some of them stepped up? Sure but after 2+ and 3+ years you pretty much know what you have.

I don't think of this as a recruiting issue on the whole. Name a time BC was more talented from the blue line & back.

Re the lineups it's something we've been harping on for a couple of years now. Jerry & crew have forgotten more hockey today than I know but unless there is something going on we can't see, based solely on the on ice product the decisions range from baffling (Spiro in the stands) to absolutely infuriating (Doherty in the stands).

As you said this team isn't too far away from doing damage, especially in conference. The powerplay has started out slow the past couple of years and I thought looked pretty good / ok last night + it is an INCREDIBLY young team, where the youth is being put in huge spots every night.

I said on another board, in your head list the best players on the team. Let me know when you get to the best upperclassman, then keep going and let me know when you get to the 2nd best.

bottomdweller
11-06-2014, 01:43 PM
Please show me where this is stacked? 4 or 5 of these are Atlantic hockey at best. The NTDP and NHL draft pick thing thing is a joke, start looking farther than the end of the nose for recruits. Get kids that can really play hard nosed D1 hockey and get away from the hype players. this list is average at best.

2015-16 Birdsall, Chris G 1996 Wood, Miles LW 1995
Shero, Chris LW 1995
Brown, Christopher C 1996
Dudek, Joey C 1996
Bracco, Jeremy RW 1997
2016-17 Fitzgerald, Casey RD 1997 White, Colin RW 1997
Moore, Connor RD 1997 Cotton, David C 1997
Walker, Zach RW 1998
McPhee, Graham LW 1998
2017-18 McInnis, Luke LD 1998 Graham, Monte C/RW 1998
2018-19 Tortora, Jacob LW 1999
Walsh, TJ C 2000

You have a 14 and 15 year old already committed. That alone may be the problem if you want kids that can really play hard nosed D1 hockey. Let the kids develop some and don't worry about running 20 18 year olds out there every night. Find a balance of late bloomers with the blue chips.

BigAl
11-06-2014, 01:57 PM
You guys will be good it'll just take till the end of the year. Young team and you lost your only real scoring threats from last year

Ronnieb
11-06-2014, 02:46 PM
You have a 14 and 15 year old already committed. That alone may be the problem if you want kids that can really play hard nosed D1 hockey. Let the kids develop some and don't worry about running 20 18 year olds out there every night. Find a balance of late bloomers with the blue chips.

Totally agree, until BC figures out that they could essentially draw uncommitted recruits today ( meaning kids that are 19,20,21 for next year) that would far out perform the current crop of recruits they will just be an average team. If they stick with the current process with these young kids, it will be years before they catch up if ever. Beatable by everyone. Not to pile on, but look at the UCONN roster. BCHL, EHL, NAHL Prep, USHL. WOW, no NTDP and 1 draft pick.

buoldtimer
11-06-2014, 03:38 PM
Totally agree, until BC figures out that they could essentially draw uncommitted recruits today ( meaning kids that are 19,20,21 for next year) that would far out perform the current crop of recruits they will just be an average team. If they stick with the current process with these young kids, it will be years before they catch up if ever. Beatable by everyone. Not to pile on, but look at the UCONN roster. BCHL, EHL, NAHL Prep, USHL. WOW, no NTDP and 1 draft pick.

Unsolicited comments from an outside, but not disinterested, observer.

The BC hockey staff has been threading a very narrow needle for many years. They've had the most sustained stretch of excellence in the modern era of college hockey (I started following the game in 1968, so the modern era starts at that point.) Obviously, the foundation was recruiting. JY developed a blueprint for the style of hockey he wanted his team to play, and he, and his staff, found the players to execute the plan to the greatest degree imaginable. Incredibly, after his initial period of success, BC actually improved the product to the point that they won three NC's over 5 seasons.

Off the top of my head, during this time period, BU, UNH, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota and Denver have all had terrific teams at one point or another. All of them slipped back to varying degrees. What's noteworthy isn't that BC's recruiting success has dipped somewhat over the past 2 or 3 seasons; it's remarkable that it lasted as long as it did. As somewhat mentioned below, BC is feeling the effects of 2 weak classes, by BC standards. Well, no one can roll the dice, which all recruiting is to some degree, without coming up snake-eyes at some point.

Someone else mentioned the recruiting of 14 and 15 year olds. Does anyone feel that this aspect of recruiting has had an adverse effect upon BC's performance? Perhaps the 3 to 4 year gap between commitment and actually playing college hockey may mean that the player you recruited isn't the same player you have on your roster, as compared to his competitors. The kid may have been precocious physically, or other kids may have caught up to him as they've matured. We'll see how all the young guys BU's recruiting turn out.

Dutchman
11-06-2014, 04:02 PM
Great discussion .... interesting observation from the current Maine (Former Yale) Coach
“We take it one game at a time,” Gendron says. “And truth be told, there was a time in college hockey where there were certain teams that were always going to win, and there were certain other teams that weren't. From year to year there were basically the same results. Occasionally, there were a few teams that got up a little higher than they should and a couple teams that got down a little lower than you’d expect. “It’s not like that in college hockey anymore. It’s parity. Everybody’s good. It’s hard to win. I don’t care who you are, it’s hard to win. “For us, we’re going to take ‘em one at a time. We respect all; we fear none.” Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2014/11/06/work...#ixzz3IJKPIHyo
Its not that BC is slipping. They are still the benchmark and gold standard for excellence in College Hockey. Its that College Hockey is becoming much more competitive.
This is born out looking at the ECAC recent record in the NCAA's. Its not just that the ECAC is becoming more competitive, so is the AHA.
Year ECAC
2000 1-2
2001 0-1
2002 0-1
2003 2-2
2004 1-3
2005 1-3
2006 1-2
2007 0-2
2008 1-2
2009 1-3
2010 1-2
2011 1-3
2012 3-2 F4 (1)
2013 8-2 F4 (2)
2014 4-2 F4 (1)

claver2010
11-06-2014, 04:05 PM
i think you guys are reading way too much into it

mookie1995
11-06-2014, 04:54 PM
Carmine, you brought a tear to mookie's eye :)


Great discussion .... interesting observation from the current Maine (Former Yale) Coach
“We take it one game at a time,” Gendron says. “And truth be told, there was a time in college hockey where there were certain teams that were always going to win, and there were certain other teams that weren't. From year to year there were basically the same results. Occasionally, there were a few teams that got up a little higher than they should and a couple teams that got down a little lower than you’d expect. “It’s not like that in college hockey anymore. It’s parity. Everybody’s good. It’s hard to win. I don’t care who you are, it’s hard to win. “For us, we’re going to take ‘em one at a time. We respect all; we fear none.”

WRONG
northeastern isn't good

kevin donnelly
11-06-2014, 07:10 PM
so..... y'all excited about driving down to hartford on wednesday to introduce uconn to hockey east :p

How was the ride back?

sterlippo1
11-06-2014, 09:05 PM
Recruiting. For two recruiting cycles the staff brought in Linell, Spiro, Straight, Sit, Smith, Silk, McMullen at forward and got a last minute gift of a lifetime in Johnny Gaudreau. Gift. Of. A. Lifetime. Again, not honking on the kids, they are probably legitimately doing their best. I like them (I know you parents get antsy). But this is not what BC hockey recruiting should look like. Keep in mind this was before Quinn showed up at BU and started destroying York. And Cav was still around to recruit these classes. Is there a legitimate explanation for this? One player, fine. Two, ok. Two entire classes will basically set you back 4 years until you can graduate them all. We're just getting underway in Year 3. Keep that in mind. Still a long way to get out of this hole and HOPE the busts stop and the recruiting is on target for future classes. In the meantime that is a huge window of opportunity for other programs (hi BU) to flip everything.



thank you

mookie1995
11-06-2014, 09:11 PM
How was the ride back?

**** if I know. Mookie is on hilton head golfing