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Ahockeydad
08-24-2014, 05:34 PM
I played college football years ago so I know that recruiting process. How my daughter got into Hockey I will never know. I never skated. She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill?

If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer?
Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified?
Are camps regional to the colleges in the area?
Are there National camps where every school coach goes to?
At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players?
At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey?
What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships?
How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team?
How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year?
How many girls are on a college hockey team?
Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified?
Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to?
Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for?

A lot of questions I know. New to the board and have no idea how this will work. Thanks for any comments. Not here to say my girl has great talent. Just interest.

TonyTheTiger20
08-24-2014, 06:35 PM
I played college football years ago so I know that recruiting process. How my daughter got into Hockey I will never know. I never skated. She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill?

If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer?
Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified?
Are camps regional to the colleges in the area?
Are there National camps where every school coach goes to?
At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players?
At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey?
What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships?
How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team?
How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year?
How many girls are on a college hockey team?
Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified?
Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to?
Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for?

A lot of questions I know. New to the board and have no idea how this will work. Thanks for any comments. Not here to say my girl has great talent. Just interest.
I don't have the answers for you, but I know there are lots of posters here who do. I suspect you came to the right place.

Also welcome to the forum.

WIrinkrat
08-24-2014, 07:01 PM
If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer? I'd look into the Beantown Classic and NAHA Showcase.

Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified? You could argue that anything is a money grab, but as far as summer events, the ones mentioned above are heavily attended by college coaches, as is the Rush Showcase event in Ontario in June. There are also events like Hockey Night in Boston that some coaches will go to, but you could argue that those fall more on the "money grab" side of things. The Middlesex Islanders combined with Easton and ran a solid Showcase in July this year as well. It was the first year, but I imagine it will continue to be a mid-summer fixture.

Are camps regional to the colleges in the area? Not really sure what you're getting at here...but if you are asking if only coaches from the region will attend these events then it's hit or miss. Nearly everyone will be at Beantown, and a good portion will be at Rush or NAHA events.

Are there National camps where every school coach goes to? National Camps, yes. Every coach, no. Mostly D1 coaches...but depending where your daughter falls in the pecking order that may or may not help her situation.

At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players? Depends on the school. Generally going to be much earlier for the high end D1 players and a little later for the D3's as they start to see which players are going to filter down to them. The D3's typically have less staff and recruiting resources so are not able to recruit as far in advance anyway.

At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey? As far as making calls directly to players and sending them information, Jr/Sr year. There are "unofficial" channels that can get this going prior to then...such as calling a players coach to relay their interest and seeing up a time where the player calls them.

What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships? Probably not as many as you think. There's also a lot who get less than a half...sometimes significantly so. In some cases it can be cheaper to attend a D3 than to take a partial scholarship at a D1 because you aren't able to stack additional aid on top of that athletic scholarship.

How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team? Depends on the school, but between 0-18

How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year? no way to answer that.

How many girls are on a college hockey team? You can dress 21 for a game. Most teams will carry a few more than that.

Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified? Some do, but I'd say they are generally going to attract the more recreational player while the showcases tend to attract the higher end players.

Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to? Maybe if a school is close by, but probably not otherwise.

Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for? I think Minnesota has something like that, but I don't think it exists in most places.

vicb
08-24-2014, 07:03 PM
I played college football years ago so I know that recruiting process. How my daughter got into Hockey I will never know. I never skated. She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill?

If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer?
Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified?
Are camps regional to the colleges in the area?
Are there National camps where every school coach goes to?
At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players?
At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey?
What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships?
How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team? Just Like the men 18 full rides spread over the team are allowed.
How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year?
How many girls are on a college hockey team? The NC$$ Div 1 Champions Clarkson and Runnerup Minnesota had 21 on their rosters. Spot checking some other rosters they seem to range mostly from 21 to 24..
Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified?
Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to?
Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for?

A lot of questions I know. New to the board and have no idea how this will work. Thanks for any comments. Not here to say my girl has great talent. Just interest.

Welcome to the board. See above.

96IllinoisDad
08-24-2014, 09:40 PM
She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill? Far more important than summer camps is getting her in a good AAA club program. If none are around you, look into a national hockey program if you/she are really serious and have the money. If your daughter is academically strong (and you have money), consider an east coast prep school coupled with an east coast club program.

If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer? As a freshman, I would be far more interested in exposing her to the level of play of the kids around her. Attend Rush Hockey Showcase in Canada. It is individual entry, and she'll meet a bunch of kids who love hockey. Yes, there will be coahces there, but at this age focus on building her desire. Go to watch the college series so she can see college and olympian gilrs play.

Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified? They are all money grabs to some extent. My daughter liked to play hockey, and she liked to go to camps. Some of her best memories are from camps where only a few college scouts were at.

Are camps regional to the colleges in the area?In season tournaments are far more important that summer camps. Summer focus on building strength and skill. Scouts noticing her is an added benefit.

Are there National camps where every school coach goes to?USA Hockey National Camp. You need to tryout and be selected. If you live in the Central DIstrict, you need to attend the Central District Tryouts.

At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players?Freshman are getting offers. But, you need to be seen to be identified.

At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey?You can contact them anytime. They can send "recruiting emails" on September 1 of Junior year. Calls to your D (as opposed to her coach etc.) cant start until July before Senior year.

What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships?Ask any girl - they all have full rides!

How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team?equivalent to 18 full rides

How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year? Depends on schools. I know one hockey east school that only gives full rides or no scholarship. Every school is different. Also, coaches can spread them out or bunch them.

How many girls are on a college hockey team? 23 +/- 4 or so

Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified? Yes, some do. Generally no.

Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to? Central District Camp usually has about 4 college coaches - 1 per team (D1 or D3 coach). One year I believe only 1 D1 coach was there. Good time, fun, well run. Not many coaches looking at kids. With that said, my D's coach at an AHAI camp (Illinois) actively recruited her based on that camp, and my D really liked a D3 coach from Central District camp. If D1 didn't work out, that D3 school was top of her list. (Note: kids should be evaluating coaches at these camps!!)

Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for? Central district tryouts is how Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska kids get identified for USA Hockey National Camp. Central district "camp" is run by the district.

Most importantly - your daughter should get the best grades possible starting NOW.

Blackbeard
08-24-2014, 11:11 PM
I played college football years ago so I know that recruiting process. How my daughter got into Hockey I will never know. I never skated. She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill?

If you go to the bottom left hand corner of the main page of this women's fan forum (just click on the back arrow button after reading this post and you will be on the correct page) and open the "show threads from the" drop down box and select "beginning" (meaning that you want to be shown all threads for as far back as they are archived) and then click on the "show threads" button in the bottom right hand corner of the same page, you will have access to all the threads.

Then go to the thread on page 32 titled "Question on Recruiting" where you will find a number of suggestions and discussion for your consideration.

Good luck.

ARM
08-24-2014, 11:41 PM
If you go to the bottom left hand corner of the main page of this women's fan forum (just click on the back arrow button after reading this post and you will be on the correct page) and open the "show threads from the" drop down box and select "beginning" (meaning that you want to be shown all threads for as far back as they are archived) and then click on the "show threads" button in the bottom right hand corner of the same page, you will have access to all the threads.

Then go to the thread on page 32 titled "Question on Recruiting" where you will find a number of suggestions and discussion for your consideration.

Good luck.In other words, go here:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?85941-Question-on-Recruiting/page6

There tends to be one or more threads like this every year, so feel free to browse others at your leisure, like some of these:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?108872-Recruiting-questionnaire
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?106997-Recruiting-Curiousity
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?105382-Tips-for-Aspiring-College-Plaers
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?98998-Recruiting-Promises-Kept-and-Not-Kept/page4

There are more, plus other threads that deal with a particular question that you raised, as well as a bunch of threads that veered off topic at some point and moved from the thread topic to posts that cover questions of your interest. Many cover the same ground, but you may find some new info if you hunt around.

Timothy A
08-25-2014, 08:53 AM
There is a recruit questionnaire on UW's website. This might be helpful as to what 1 school is looking for. I have never looked at it myself (my daughter doesn't play hockey), but I have seen the link whilst poking around the UW women's homepage.

DedicatedFan
08-25-2014, 10:15 AM
Having dreams and ambitions of playing D1 hockey is wonderful, and your daughter should certainly pursue those if that is what she wants. However, she should keep an open mind and not limit herself to D1 schools. There are a number of great D3 schools out East and in the Midwest where she can get a good education and play hockey. One question she might want to ask herself is, "Do I want to be a 3rd or 4th line player on a D1 team or a 1st line, special teams player on a D3 team?"

It has been a few years since we went through the recruiting process, but I recall during my daughter's sophomore year that she sent introductory letters to a number of D1 and D3 coaches telling a little bit about herself, providing her upcoming league/summer schedules, and inviting the coaches to watch her play. We also took some tours of schools the summer after her sophomore year and narrowed that search and continued with tours during her junior year. She contacted the coaches well in advance of those visits and asked if they would meet with her. All of the coaches were gracious, even those that had no interest in my daughter. They all took the time to talk about their program, about our daughter's interests/desires, about their school, and provided a tour of their facilities.

We found that our daughter's interest in playing D1 versus D3 changed over the course of her high school career, as well as the location of where she thought she might want to play. It is a process. Best of luck to your daughter. Don't forget to enjoy the high school years -- they fly by way too fast!!

joecct
08-25-2014, 10:22 AM
If NESCAC is in her future try a New England Prep School.

Remember, it's the job after college that counts as pro hockey will not be an option.

Otter+
08-25-2014, 11:55 AM
It's like getting hit repeatedly on the head with a hammer. It feels great when it stops.

Ahockeydad
08-25-2014, 08:48 PM
If NESCAC is in her future try a New England Prep School.

Remember, it's the job after college that counts as pro hockey will not be an option.

Very true. Thank you all so much for some of these answers. It should be a fun ride. The idea of going to camps and watching the coaches is an answer I never would have thought about. This will be an interesting ride.

Thanks again. This really is a great board for unique information.

LaRondelle
08-27-2014, 10:38 AM
part or all of this article might have some decent information for you


http://coachprusso.com/2014/08/25/recruiting-advice-directly-from-the-mouths-of-college-coaches-30-quotes/

Call It
08-27-2014, 12:13 PM
http://coachprusso.com/2014/08/25/recruiting-advice-directly-from-the-mouths-of-college-coaches-30-quotes/

Recruiting Advice DIRECTLY from the Mouths of College Coaches. (30 Quotes)

OnMAA
08-27-2014, 02:08 PM
http://coachprusso.com/2014/08/25/recruiting-advice-directly-from-the-mouths-of-college-coaches-30-quotes/

Recruiting Advice DIRECTLY from the Mouths of College Coaches. (30 Quotes)

Lots of fantastic advice in that article.

hockey55
09-02-2014, 05:12 PM
I played college football years ago so I know that recruiting process. How my daughter got into Hockey I will never know. I never skated. She is entering HS and has an interest in College hockey. I would love to get some perspective on how the Womens College recruiting process works and what should a dad do to get a daughter noticed if she has some AAA skill?

If you don't live in MN or Massachusetts what should a girl do as far as camps in the summer?
Which camps are money grabs and which camps could help a girl get identified?
Are camps regional to the colleges in the area?
Are there National camps where every school coach goes to?
At what age do college scouts really start watching and identifying girl players?
At what age can they start recruiting girls for college hockey?
What percentage of girls get full ride scholarships compared to 1/2 scholarships?
How many scholarships do D1 schools have to give for a team?
How many full ride scholarships are given to girls at a school each year?
How many girls are on a college hockey team?
Do colleges offer camps in the summer? Is this the best way to get identified?
Is Central Districts something college coaches pay attention to?
Is there Olympic development like in other sports? Is this what central districts is for?

A lot of questions I know. New to the board and have no idea how this will work. Thanks for any comments. Not here to say my girl has great talent. Just interest.

Short and simple advice... but over the years this is what I've seen:
Go watch a D1 and D3 college game (a few if you can). Then, ask yourself, which level can my D play in?

If she's really very good and a top/middle D1 player - you would probably know it by now... or at least within the next year as colleges recruit earlier.
But, if she is really that good - get her seen. Any of those showcases other people mentioned should do it. They'll notice.

If she's somewhere in between get her to showcases and camps with lower D1 and higher D3 coaches. They can get to know her better and make recs or pick her up.

If she's on the low-end, but has her sights set on it get her onto the best team she can be on. It's the priciest out of any of the options, but it'll work.
IMO, D3s tend to pick up players from the better programs - even if they're not quite there. Those club coaches will have enough connections to make it happen.

Also, developmentally - camps are more to make relationships with coaches than anything else. You want coaches to say "I had her in camp, she's a GREAT kid."
If you want development - save that money and spend it on a skills coach over a period of time.

Good luck!

L268
09-10-2014, 06:42 PM
Lots of good responses, including the links that ARM posted. Excellent info here on the forum.

One note about "full scholarships." Please be aware that the same financial issue regarding "total cost of attendance" vs. "net cost" or "actual" cost that football players have complained about for several years applies to all NCAA Div 1 scholarship sports. The NCAA will allow the student athlete to receive financial assistance up to the school's "Cost of Attendance" (might be called "total cost of attendance"). This is a number calculated by the school, and it often differs significantly from "Full cost of attendance."

In other words - the University of Good Stuff estimates that tuition, books, fees, and room and board (the "big 4") cost $20,000 (to use a round number) for every student (on average). This is the "total cost of attendance." However, the FULL cost of attendance, including travel, extra meals, school supplies, laundry, etc. is estimated at $25,000 (to use another round number - and this number will of course vary student by student).

Her Div 1 scholarship, local Lions club scholarship, tuition assistance, ANY other financial aid, etc. may NOT exceed the TOTAL cost of attendance. Period. Point. End of sentence. Even if this amount leaves your daughter or family with hundreds or thousands of dollars out of pocket due to the FULL cost of attendance.

So, be sure you're comparing apples to apples when it comes to scholarship numbers. The "big 4" (tuition, books, fees, and room and board) can sometimes be covered by a scholarship amount of less than 100%, or a "full ride."

This is why a "full ride" Div 1 football player helping to bring in millions of dollars in revenue for a big football program can complain he doesn't have enough to eat. If his family can't provide the difference between the TOTAL and FULL cost of attendance (and, he's probably living off-campus), he can be eating ramen noodles every day, not having enough money for the food he needs to fuel his body.

This example presumes the football player isn't racking up student loans by the thousands (which can be spent on anything), or that he isn't receiving a Pell Grant or other form of federal assistance.

CrossCheck
09-10-2014, 09:14 PM
Lots of good responses, including the links that ARM posted. Excellent info here on the forum.

One note about "full scholarships." Please be aware that the same financial issue regarding "total cost of attendance" vs. "net cost" or "actual" cost that football players have complained about for several years applies to all NCAA Div 1 scholarship sports. The NCAA will allow the student athlete to receive financial assistance up to the school's "Cost of Attendance" (might be called "total cost of attendance"). This is a number calculated by the school, and it often differs significantly from "Full cost of attendance."

In other words - the University of Good Stuff estimates that tuition, books, fees, and room and board (the "big 4") cost $20,000 (to use a round number) for every student (on average). This is the "total cost of attendance." However, the FULL cost of attendance, including travel, extra meals, school supplies, laundry, etc. is estimated at $25,000 (to use another round number - and this number will of course vary student by student).

Her Div 1 scholarship, local Lions club scholarship, tuition assistance, ANY other financial aid, etc. may NOT exceed the TOTAL cost of attendance. Period. Point. End of sentence. Even if this amount leaves your daughter or family with hundreds or thousands of dollars out of pocket due to the FULL cost of attendance.

So, be sure you're comparing apples to apples when it comes to scholarship numbers. The "big 4" (tuition, books, fees, and room and board) can sometimes be covered by a scholarship amount of less than 100%, or a "full ride."

This is why a "full ride" Div 1 football player helping to bring in millions of dollars in revenue for a big football program can complain he doesn't have enough to eat. If his family can't provide the difference between the TOTAL and FULL cost of attendance (and, he's probably living off-campus), he can be eating ramen noodles every day, not having enough money for the food he needs to fuel his body.

This example presumes the football player isn't racking up student loans by the thousands (which can be spent on anything), or that he isn't receiving a Pell Grant or other form of federal assistance.

lot o dopes out there. kinda scary

MAOFDJJD
09-11-2014, 05:46 PM
It's like getting hit repeatedly on the head with a hammer. It feels great when it stops.

lol.....

giwan
09-11-2014, 11:59 PM
Lots of good responses, including the links that ARM posted. Excellent info here on the forum.

One note about "full scholarships." Please be aware that the same financial issue regarding "total cost of attendance" vs. "net cost" or "actual" cost that football players have complained about for several years applies to all NCAA Div 1 scholarship sports. The NCAA will allow the student athlete to receive financial assistance up to the school's "Cost of Attendance" (might be called "total cost of attendance"). This is a number calculated by the school, and it often differs significantly from "Full cost of attendance."

In other words - the University of Good Stuff estimates that tuition, books, fees, and room and board (the "big 4") cost $20,000 (to use a round number) for every student (on average). This is the "total cost of attendance." However, the FULL cost of attendance, including travel, extra meals, school supplies, laundry, etc. is estimated at $25,000 (to use another round number - and this number will of course vary student by student).

Her Div 1 scholarship, local Lions club scholarship, tuition assistance, ANY other financial aid, etc. may NOT exceed the TOTAL cost of attendance. Period. Point. End of sentence. Even if this amount leaves your daughter or family with hundreds or thousands of dollars out of pocket due to the FULL cost of attendance.

So, be sure you're comparing apples to apples when it comes to scholarship numbers. The "big 4" (tuition, books, fees, and room and board) can sometimes be covered by a scholarship amount of less than 100%, or a "full ride."

This is why a "full ride" Div 1 football player helping to bring in millions of dollars in revenue for a big football program can complain he doesn't have enough to eat. If his family can't provide the difference between the TOTAL and FULL cost of attendance (and, he's probably living off-campus), he can be eating ramen noodles every day, not having enough money for the food he needs to fuel his body.

This example presumes the football player isn't racking up student loans by the thousands (which can be spent on anything), or that he isn't receiving a Pell Grant or other form of federal assistance.

Even off campus living many of those football players have access to a training table.