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YabaDabaDoo
07-17-2014, 11:35 PM
I have noticed that for the past eight years there has been a up and down, in and out with respect to players being invited to USA Hockey "Higher level camps"!!!! a little BS if you ask me "and I have checked with people in the know" players who have been invited in pervious years who performed better the the next year were no invited?? and payers who played on winning teams were called up regardless of the overwhelming odds the other players had to overcome? Scam? Lazy? or??

go back and look at the lists and decide for yourselves!!!!

I don't really want to point it out for you!

So,


all things considered, it looks like that if you want to play at the highest levels play on a team that wins or has a coach that is a KA!!!

Just go back and look!

if I don't see any do diligence I will point it out as Ben.S. has pointed it out to me!!!!

claw
07-18-2014, 12:15 AM
I have noticed that for the past eight years there has been a up and down, in and out with respect to players being invited to USA Hockey "Higher level camps"!!!! a little BS if you ask me "and I have checked with people in the know" players who have been invited in pervious years who performed better the the next year were no invited?? and payers who played on winning teams were called up regardless of the overwhelming odds the other players had to overcome? Scam? Lazy? or??

go back and look at the lists and decide for yourselves!!!!

I don't really want to point it out for you!

So,


all things considered, it looks like that if you want to play at the highest levels play on a team that wins or has a coach that is a KA!!!

Just go back and look!

if I don't see any do diligence I will point it out as Ben.S. has pointed it out to me!!!!


Sorry that your daughter didn't make it. I'm sure she'd be mortified to know that this is how you lobbied for her, however.

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 08:15 AM
I have noticed that for the past eight years there has been a up and down, in and out with respect to players being invited to USA Hockey "Higher level camps"!!!! a little BS if you ask me "and I have checked with people in the know" players who have been invited in pervious years who performed better the the next year were no invited?? and payers who played on winning teams were called up regardless of the overwhelming odds the other players had to overcome? Scam? Lazy? or??

go back and look at the lists and decide for yourselves!!!!

I don't really want to point it out for you!

So,


all things considered, it looks like that if you want to play at the highest levels play on a team that wins or has a coach that is a KA!!!

Just go back and look!

if I don't see any do diligence I will point it out as Ben.S. has pointed it out to me!!!!

http://truegif.com/pictures/gif/3393.gif

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 08:16 AM
Also that's a quality thread title.

Genbeau
07-18-2014, 10:49 AM
I have noticed that for the past eight years there has been a up and down, in and out with respect to players being invited to USA Hockey "Higher level camps"!!!! a little BS if you ask me "and I have checked with people in the know" players who have been invited in pervious years who performed better the the next year were no invited?? and payers who played on winning teams were called up regardless of the overwhelming odds the other players had to overcome? Scam? Lazy? or??

go back and look at the lists and decide for yourselves!!!!

I don't really want to point it out for you!

So,


all things considered, it looks like that if you want to play at the highest levels play on a team that wins or has a coach that is a KA!!!

Just go back and look!

if I don't see any do diligence I will point it out as Ben.S. has pointed it out to me!!!!




not a perfect system but i think they get it right more often than not. unfortunately, because of constraints, it's rather subjective and doesn't consider a players longer term body of work but it's what we've got. kind of a microcosm of what you see with teams in games or tournaments all the time. teams that normally would win lay an egg or run into a hot goalie, etc. the best teams don't always win. one thing i'd like to see is a little more transparency. public feedback from the evaluators as to what exactly they saw and notes on players. i think it could potentially be valuable info to the kids that didn't make it.

EastFan1
07-18-2014, 11:02 AM
are my only choices really "scam" or "what" ?

pokechecker
07-18-2014, 12:57 PM
sports are no different than the real world

does a company always hire the best? no
do the deserving people always get picked for promotion? no
do the company's with the best products sell the most? no
...and on it goes

you can learn a lot by participating in sports whether as a parent, coach, player, or even fan
one thing nice about sports though is that it probably is more true than the "real" world, when they fail to pick the best , the outcome more often than not reveals it

Ya4sure2
07-18-2014, 12:57 PM
I lean to agree with Genbeau to some degree.

The system is never perfect and is subjective. But, some trust has to be had in the process. Sometimes errors will be made and speaking in relative terms, this will happen at the highest of levels and can be debated as such even when you consider teams such as the mens and womens Olympic teams – US and Canada.

One area I wouldn’t want is the “public feedback”. I would guard against that. Decisions are made in closed-door settings for a reason much like top level decisions that are made in the real world.

However, I agree wholeheartedly that feedback MUST get back to the player from the program evaluators and coaches so that the players that invest in the commitment and dedication to get to where they are can further their development. They deserve to know where they stand, what they need to work on and how to get to the next level. And, this is not only for the players but their parents as well as they are obviously a big part of their daughter’s development. And, this feedback must also get back to the player’s club team coaches and trainers so that they can further foster their player’s development in order to help them reach their goals.

One other point I’ll make is that there are many players that are close in skill, development and what they have to offer. I’m certain the program evaluators and coaches may sometime ‘plug n play’ to get a look at a different player. They may pull a player that they’ve already seen already and been part of the program to try another player to see how she looks instead for that same role. The evaluators can make proper comparisons this way so.

And for the betterment of the program itself, it brings in more players thus raising the bar of the entire program. (ie. Big Picture) This, then, has a trickle-down effect. When more players are selected to go to these types of camps and then return to their club teams, this new elite level experience makes her teammates better which makes that team better which forces their competition to be better.

It’s important to remember - high tide raises all the boats.

So, is the system perfect? Not at all. But, it’s a system with many, many factors affecting the decision making that goes towards making the game better.

Hard decisions are sometimes made and it’s difficult to accept or even understand why – unfortunately.

sheagle008
07-18-2014, 01:10 PM
Biggest scam ever- Blake Bolden not even making the Olympic evaluation camp, even though Blake was better then bascially all of the defensemen that made the team.

AggiesHockey
07-18-2014, 02:23 PM
what???

FiveHoleFrenzy
07-18-2014, 02:34 PM
Biggest scam ever- Blake Bolden not even making the Olympic evaluation camp, even though Blake was better then bascially all of the defensemen that made the team.

No question the Blake Bolden scam is right up there with Bernie Madoff, Tyco, Enron, Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, etc.

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 03:04 PM
do the deserving people always get picked for promotion? no
I'm sorry you got passed over for that promotion bud.

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 03:07 PM
what???
I see what you did there

123kidd
07-18-2014, 06:04 PM
Ben Smith is not an elite hockey mind.

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 07:50 PM
Ben Smith is not an elite hockey mind.

That depends on which Ben Smith (http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/files/2014/03/BenSmithFourthLineBlackhawksAvalanche1.jpg) you're talking about :cool:

123kidd
07-18-2014, 08:05 PM
I will stand by my original post...just because he went to Westminster and BC doesn't make him an elite hockey mind. Just elite...

TonyTheTiger20
07-18-2014, 08:18 PM
I will stand by my original post...just because he went to Westminster and BC doesn't make him an elite hockey mind. Just elite...
Those are two different Bens Smith... lol

joecct
07-18-2014, 10:24 PM
I am not a fan of USA Hockey. I think it's become a bureaucratic monolith that is more concerned about the NTDP, USHL, and the national teams as opposed to the 99% of the registrants who do not play for a national championships or hope to play for a collegiate or professional team.

However, in selecting the "select" teams, I think they do a pretty good job. Do they miss a few? Yep. Do they have their favorites? Yep. But a lot of the problems, in my opinion, can be laid to the local organizations who, again in my opinion, are teaching hockey skills instead of creating hockey players. They teach "how", but rarely explain "why" so that when it comes to a game situation, the player(s) can't execute. But they're great skating around cones!

123kidd
07-18-2014, 10:37 PM
Those are two different Bens Smith... lol

I've personally listened to one of them speak...and watched the other one on NHL Tonight. Not impressed by either...

YabaDabaDoo
07-18-2014, 11:23 PM
I had a player tell me 8 months in advance that she was told she was going and that was prior to Player Development Camp, 18 selects or the three game series at lake placid? So explain that? but like you said they do a good job!

There was a time when you "or should I say that we" were told that you couldn't where the colors unless you went through the Player Development Camp Process?

Then along came the at large bids! and what about the BS Olympic tryouts out west & back east? I watched a kid beat EVERYONE all the way to the end and recalled to the call back and still beat everyone? no sniff?

When an organization knows in advance of the exercise who is in and who is out, why have the exercise?

I remember a player who was invited to every player development camp, she was on the ice for every goal against? but was invited back every year?

A great man told me once that USA Hockey knows the 20+ girls they are watching and that the rest are fodder! Not that you cannot breach the 20, only good luck!!