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mnstate0fhockey
06-22-2014, 04:28 PM
you mean like this one:



This guy is obviously norwegian. ;)

That's one :D

5mn_Major
06-23-2014, 06:37 AM
You mean like this one:



This guy is obviously Norwegian. ;)

I remember my old school norwegian grandfather telling when I was very young in the 70s...I don't care who you marry, you can marry a woman of any race you want...but please just not a swede.

I think that posters in this article are missing two facts:

1. How many of our Europeans have been poor choices? Vanek and Haula were likely among the top player or two (with Bjugs) on their respective teams. These guys have every bit of potential to match (cept probably Hogland but he serves another hard to fill benefit for this year's team)

2. The Gophers are not handpicking 'rich' kids and ignoring the great high school players. We recruit the best kids possible and fill the rest of the roster to fill critical team holes. When we take the best kids we take them regardless of whether they play high school, NTDP, USHL or Shattuck.

But I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone on the board this.

mnstate0fhockey
06-23-2014, 07:41 AM
I remember my old school norwegian grandfather telling when I was very young in the 70s...I don't care who you marry, you can marry a woman of any race you want...but please just not a swede.

I think that posters in this article are missing two facts:

1. How many of our Europeans have been poor choices? Vanek and Haula were likely among the top player or two (with Bjugs) on their respective teams. These guys have every bit of potential to match (cept probably Hogland but he serves another hard to fill benefit for this year's team)

2. The Gophers are not handpicking 'rich' kids and ignoring the great high school players. We recruit the best kids possible and fill the rest of the roster to fill critical team holes. When we take the best kids we take them regardless of whether they play high school, NTDP, USHL or Shattuck.

But I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone on the board this.

Exactly and Exactly! Well said :)

HarleyMC
06-24-2014, 01:49 AM
An $8M Mariucci Renovation Plan (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/257438471.html#iqAV4AmscbjaisHO.97) is in the works which may scrap the Olympic size rink for NHL size to accommodate more seating and better sight lines.

With the tradeoff for more seating and better sightlines, scraping the O-size for NHL size makes a lot of sense to me. At present only 8 teams inc. MN currently use O-size (CC, N. Mich., SCSU, Mankato State, UAA, Alaska, New Hampshire...Kohl Center is close at 97'). It will accelerate their game, but I don't think it will make any difference at all in the execution of the Gopher's style of hockey.

purpleinnebraska
06-24-2014, 08:02 AM
At present only 8 teams inc. MN currently use O-size (CC, N. Mich., SCSU, Mankato State, UAA, Alaska, New Hampshire...Kohl Center is close at 97'). It will accelerate their game, but I don't think it will make any difference at all in the execution of the Gopher's style of hockey.

Kato switched to a near-NHL size rink last year (90'). Coach Hastings said at the time, "Hockey's hockey, but if we have the opportunity to prepare them on an NHL sheet, we should try to help them." Obviously, the Gophers don't have that concern, having produced a busload of NHL players. But for us, if it helps us in recruiting against other schools, I'm OK with it. Not sure it made much difference in style or quality of play. All of our guys had experience on NHL-sized rinks before coming here, and we play a majority of our road games on the smaller rink. If we had Europeans like Bristedt coming in, there might be some adjustment, but that's not an issue for us.

The one concern I had was that we'd lose our home ice edge. That didn't seem to be a problem last year, but that's a pretty small sample size.

Jaws
06-24-2014, 10:24 AM
I'm all for it. I've never been a fan of the Big sheet. Good news as far as I'm concerned

An $8M Mariucci Renovation Plan (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/257438471.html#iqAV4AmscbjaisHO.97) is in the works which may scrap the Olympic size rink for NHL size to accommodate more seating and better sight lines.

With the tradeoff for more seating and better sightlines, scraping the O-size for NHL size makes a lot of sense to me. At present only 8 teams inc. MN currently use O-size (CC, N. Mich., SCSU, Mankato State, UAA, Alaska, New Hampshire...Kohl Center is close at 97'). It will accelerate their game, but I don't think it will make any difference at all in the execution of the Gopher's style of hockey.

Hammy
06-24-2014, 10:47 AM
The problem is 99% of fans in MN really only know the MN kids... that's their comfort zone. They don't grasp as much about what is outside of that. The layman Gopher fan (meaning the vast majority of fans that aren't as into things as us rubes on GPL and here) assume the MN prospect is the better route because that is what they know. They are aware of the HS star but that's about the extent of it. They have no real frame of reference to judge a kid like Fällström and so they doubt it.

The scouting report on Fällström that I received from somebody that has scouted him (in person) and has also extensively scouted MN tells me all I need to know that he is a high caliber recruit. When you're told the opinion from a well versed hockey guy that the kid is a 1st line NTDP type of forward, it says a lot. Those kinds of players don't grow on trees (in MN or anywhere else). They beat out BC for the kid and it's not like BC recruits 16 year old chumps.

I understand the unknown is sometimes more difficult to grasp (especially for the casual fan) but some people need to develop a little more faith considering how well the team has performed in recent seasons with this coaching staff.

HarleyMC
06-24-2014, 11:47 AM
Kato switched to a near-NHL size rink last year (90'). Coach Hastings said at the time, "Hockey's hockey, but if we have the opportunity to prepare them on an NHL sheet, we should try to help them." Obviously, the Gophers don't have that concern, having produced a busload of NHL players. But for us, if it helps us in recruiting against other schools, I'm OK with it. Not sure it made much difference in style or quality of play. All of our guys had experience on NHL-sized rinks before coming here, and we play a majority of our road games on the smaller rink. If we had Europeans like Bristedt coming in, there might be some adjustment, but that's not an issue for us.

The one concern I had was that we'd lose our home ice edge. That didn't seem to be a problem last year, but that's a pretty small sample size.

Ok...funny CHN (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/arenas.php) has the Verizon Wireless at 87', but I think you're accurate at 90'. There's been a bit of an arms race in arena renovation in various venues throughout college hockey over the past couple years (Yost/$16M, Munn/$20M this year). State of the art facilities obviously attracts fans, helps create a competitive atmosphere and I agree provides a competitive edge in recruiting talent.

The O-size is a good fit for the Gophers puck possession game, but the downside is it also allows D time to play a more positional game as well. The O-size allows players to create time and space whereas the smaller NHL rink requires greater reaction times and instinctual playmaking. But as you said, they've all logged lots of ice time on NHL rinks and there doesn't seem to be any significant advantage in the W/L column on either sheet for the Gophers. I think it's a good move.

4four4
06-24-2014, 03:15 PM
An $8M Mariucci Renovation Plan (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/257438471.html#iqAV4AmscbjaisHO.97) is in the works which may scrap the Olympic size rink for NHL size to accommodate more seating and better sight lines.

With the tradeoff for more seating and better sightlines, scraping the O-size for NHL size makes a lot of sense to me. At present only 8 teams inc. MN currently use O-size (CC, N. Mich., SCSU, Mankato State, UAA, Alaska, New Hampshire...Kohl Center is close at 97'). It will accelerate their game, but I don't think it will make any difference at all in the execution of the Gopher's style of hockey.

Is this a done deal? Or a done deal that needs money to change to NHL ice?

5mn_Major
06-24-2014, 07:05 PM
The O-size is a good fit for the Gophers puck possession game, but the downside is it also allows D time to play a more positional game as well. The O-size allows players to create time and space whereas the smaller NHL rink requires greater reaction times and instinctual playmaking. But as you said, they've all logged lots of ice time on NHL rinks and there doesn't seem to be any significant advantage in the W/L column on either sheet for the Gophers. I think it's a good move.

The B1G tourney or FrozFour are never on Olympic ice.

mnstate0fhockey
06-24-2014, 09:33 PM
Is this a done deal? Or a done deal that needs money to change to NHL ice?

Done deal. Money is there via private donations.

D2D
06-24-2014, 10:39 PM
Done deal. Money is there via private donations.

Will the rink size be altered before the start of the upcoming season?

HarleyMC
06-25-2014, 02:40 AM
Will the rink size be altered before the start of the upcoming season?

With the new arenas/renovations going up around the college hockey scene, the Gophers staff says its team areas (locker rooms, weight room) are now among the lower half of the Big Ten. As far as rink size is concerned, they're already on contract for a new refrig. system and locating a pre-design consultant for exact plans by the end of this month. Only guessing, but it seems feasible this will be done before the season starts.


"Kids go on a recruiting visit and, you know what, facilities are extremely important," Lucia said on his weekly show. "You want to be able to have kids come in and look through your arena and have a little bit of that 'wow' factor."

Bonin21
06-25-2014, 09:12 AM
I thought I had heard not for a few years at least.

Slap Shot
06-25-2014, 09:49 AM
The only wow factor the Gophers should need is the mural. Cripes kids are entitled these days. I mean I get it that that's the way it is now, but I don't have to like it.
/grumpyoldman

goldy_331
06-25-2014, 01:48 PM
Will the rink size be altered before the start of the upcoming season?

My firm was recently competing for the design contract. If it has not yet been designed, there is no way it will be installed before the season, so not this year.

D2D
06-25-2014, 04:08 PM
My firm was recently competing for the design contract. If it has not yet been designed, there is no way it will be installed before the season, so not this year.

Thanks, goldy, for that bit of information. I suppose too the progress of the fundraising enters into just how quickly this aspect of the renovation gets done, as this would appear to be the most expensive component of all the improvements they're making.

Slap Shot
06-25-2014, 05:42 PM
Done deal. Money is there via private donations.

I didn't think the money was fully raised yet, but l perhaps that update has been passed with new info.

mnstate0fhockey
06-25-2014, 06:10 PM
I didn't think the money was fully raised yet, but l perhaps that update has been passed with new info.

I believe i remember reading that they have raised $8 million thru private donation (primarily from alums), but I could be wrong.

The Rube
06-25-2014, 09:53 PM
I believe i remember reading that they have raised $8 million thru private donation (primarily from alums), but I could be wrong.

I thought I saw that, too, but haven't been paying close attention.