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petrietodonovan
04-11-2014, 07:24 PM
Do we wish them well, or do they still just not get it?


http://www.nescachockey.com/2014/04/union-college-we-remember-you-well.html

joecct
04-11-2014, 09:00 PM
Who was the goalie for the 1970 NCAA champion Cornell Big Red??

Tsk Tsk. -10 points for accuracy.

Next thing he'll tell us that Gordie Howe is dead.

sshablak
04-12-2014, 10:26 AM
Dryden or if a trick Q Cropper.:D

WillieC
04-12-2014, 10:29 AM
"The Little Kid" Brian Cropper

elbojpb
04-12-2014, 10:16 PM
Seven or eight years ago when Union was struggling, there was a ton of chatter on this board predicting that Union was going to return to D3. Great to see non-scholarship schools knock off the 'better' conferences.

Dyce
04-13-2014, 12:42 AM
Union went 11-16-1 versus Plattsburgh before ducking them for the past 24 seasons. Maybe their fancy-pants national championship will give them the courage to return to Stafford.

PrezdeJohnson09
04-13-2014, 10:08 AM
Union went 11-16-1 versus Plattsburgh before ducking them for the past 24 seasons. Maybe their fancy-pants national championship will give them the courage to return to Stafford.

That Union team would wipe the floor with the best of the best in D-III (well, maybe not St. Norbert ;)). Their speed, skating, passing and all-around team play was so impressive. I saw them live in Bridgeport and they quickly won me over as a fan.

bakdraft21
04-13-2014, 10:36 AM
Seven or eight years ago when Union was struggling, there was a ton of chatter on this board predicting that Union was going to return to D3. Great to see non-scholarship schools knock off the 'better' conferences. lol non scholarship.....instead of a "scholarship" they get" financial aide"...sound familiar???

NUProf
04-13-2014, 02:00 PM
lol non scholarship.....instead of a "scholarship" they get" financial aide"...sound familiar???

They do have to play by DIII financial aid rules. The only DIII schools that can use DI financial aid rules are the ones that were "grandfathered" in because they already gave scholarships when the NCAA changed the rules for "play up" teams. I believe that list includes RPI, SLU, Clarkson, and Colorado College.

norm1909
04-13-2014, 02:19 PM
They do have to play by DIII financial aid rules. The only DIII schools that can use DI financial aid rules are the ones that were "grandfathered" in because they already gave scholarships when the NCAA changed the rules for "play up" teams. I believe that list includes RPI, SLU, Clarkson, and Colorado College.

By "the same rules" doesn't negate the strong use of financial aid as a tool - only that it can't be disproportionately targeted at athletes.

A nice article here from the Minneapolis Star Tribune. (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/254994761.html)

NUProf
04-13-2014, 02:24 PM
By "the same rules" doesn't negate the strong use of financial aid as a tool - only that it can't be disproportionately targeted at athletes.

A nice article here from the Minneapolis Star Tribune. (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/254994761.html)

And not targeted at any particular sport, either as is the case for any DIII athletic program. Certainly any DIII school with a strong endowment that can afford to provide good FA packages has an advantage

bakdraft21
04-13-2014, 03:33 PM
call it what ya want, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,guess what...................its a duck

neumyer
04-14-2014, 07:37 AM
I guess all the rumors about Union wanting to return to NESCAC can go away.

Russell Jaslow
04-14-2014, 10:34 AM
They do have to play by DIII financial aid rules. The only DIII schools that can use DI financial aid rules are the ones that were "grandfathered" in because they already gave scholarships when the NCAA changed the rules for "play up" teams. I believe that list includes RPI, SLU, Clarkson, and Colorado College.

Technically, Union could have been grandfathered in. They CHOSE not to give out athletic scholarships, just like the Ivy League schools, and like you said, since that self inposed policy was in affect when the grandfathering clause took affect, they now must follow DIII rules.

Russell Jaslow
04-14-2014, 10:35 AM
Every single college hockey championship this year was won by D3 schools.

Take that you pompous Big 10-like massive institutions.

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
04-14-2014, 11:02 AM
They do have to play by DIII financial aid rules. The only DIII schools that can use DI financial aid rules are the ones that were "grandfathered" in because they already gave scholarships when the NCAA changed the rules for "play up" teams. I believe that list includes RPI, SLU, Clarkson, and Colorado College.

And Johns Hopkins Lax (who will be joining as an associate member of the Big 10 next season).

LakerEagleLover
04-14-2014, 03:08 PM
UConn Hockey Classic Moving To Bridgeport, To Be Named Frozen Holiday Classic
Teams In 2014-15 To Include UConn, Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart And Union

April 09, 2014|By Mike Anthony, manthony@courant.com

The UConn Hockey Classic is no longer.

Webster Bank Arena is set to announce that a similar four-team tournament will replace the classic next season in Bridgeport, with the field expected to include UConn, Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart and Union, according to sources.

The UConn Hockey Classic was held on the Storrs campus for 19 of 20 years (In Noriwch, 1997) before moving to the XL Center last season, when the field included champion Quinnipiac, Huskies, Sacred Heart and UMass.

The new tournament is expected to be named the Frozen Holiday Classic and the hope is that Yale eventually decides to join the field to make it an all-Connecticut event. A formal announcement is expected to be made Monday in Bridgeport.

The Huskies played in the championship game 14 times and won their own tournament three times (1995, 1999, 2005).

jericho
04-14-2014, 03:41 PM
Technically, Union could have been grandfathered in. They CHOSE not to give out athletic scholarships, just like the Ivy League schools, and like you said, since that self inposed policy was in affect when the grandfathering clause took affect, they now must follow DIII rules.

Not exactly. IRC, they are a DIII sport "playing up" in DI. All of the teams you mentioned were playing at the top level of hockey before the division classification came into play, Union wasn't. Thus, couldn't "give" athletic scholarships. There was a vote as to whether DIII schools "playing up" could allow for scholarships, and a separate vote for the teams you mentioned (the "grandfather" clause.) Union voted no on both propositions (****ing off its ECAC brethren,) the grandfather clause eventually passed, and schools who are DIII can no longer play any sport at the DI level and offer scholarships.

elbojpb
04-14-2014, 05:44 PM
call it what ya want, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,guess what...................its a duckActually not. Scholarships can be targeted to individuals, FA - as the other posters explained - must be doled out proportionately, specifically not targeting any sport, nationality or group of students. You can ask, Buff St, Neumann!, Morrisville, Geneseo, Potsdam?, et al.

It may be a goose (or a fish), but it's definitely not a duck.

PSUChamps2001
04-14-2014, 06:14 PM
Actually not. Scholarships can be targeted to individuals, FA - as the other posters explained - must be doled out proportionately, specifically not targeting any sport, nationality or group of students. You can ask, Buff St, Neumann!, Morrisville, Geneseo, Potsdam?, et al.

It may be a goose (or a fish), but it's definitely not a duck.

Right.....like having huge FA breaks for foreign students isnt geared towards hockey? Yea because there are a lot of Canadians playing football and baseball in DIII. The Sweeds are just dominating the round ball game of hoops.

Hockey is so unique in that in the DIII world the majority of quality teams are made up of foreign players, and those that do not are typically at the bottom of the league. We've seen first hand at what a large class off foreign players can do to a struggling program. While you may not go out and win a National Championship like "some" cheaters, I mean schools, do....it can certainly elevate your program.

The NCAA has set a decent idea with the whole 51/49 non-athletes/athletes, but I still think there should be a % cap meaning:

25% of school bill
school A $35000 ( $8750 off ) =$26250
school B $15000 ( $3750 off ) =$11250

but too many times we see
school A $35000 ( $20000 off ) =$15000
school B $15000 ( $3750 off ) =$11250

Put a % cap and see what happens.....when some schools can't give out nearly free rides, they wont get the top quality recruits year in year out.