Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

They do have to play by DIII financial aid rules. The only DIII schools that can use DI financial aid rules are the ones that were "grandfathered" in because they already gave scholarships when the NCAA changed the rules for "play up" teams. I believe that list includes RPI, SLU, Clarkson, and Colorado College.

And Johns Hopkins Lax (who will be joining as an associate member of the Big 10 next season).

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

UConn Hockey Classic Moving To Bridgeport, To Be Named Frozen Holiday Classic
Teams In 2014-15 To Include UConn, Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart And Union

April 09, 2014|By Mike Anthony, manthony@courant.com

The UConn Hockey Classic is no longer.

Webster Bank Arena is set to announce that a similar four-team tournament will replace the classic next season in Bridgeport, with the field expected to include UConn, Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart and Union, according to sources.

The UConn Hockey Classic was held on the Storrs campus for 19 of 20 years (In Noriwch, 1997) before moving to the XL Center last season, when the field included champion Quinnipiac, Huskies, Sacred Heart and UMass.

The new tournament is expected to be named the Frozen Holiday Classic and the hope is that Yale eventually decides to join the field to make it an all-Connecticut event. A formal announcement is expected to be made Monday in Bridgeport.

The Huskies played in the championship game 14 times and won their own tournament three times (1995, 1999, 2005).

[jericho]

Re: Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

Technically, Union could have been grandfathered in. They CHOSE not to give out athletic scholarships, just like the Ivy League schools, and like you said, since that self inposed policy was in affect when the grandfathering clause took affect, they now must follow DIII rules.

Not exactly. IRC, they are a DIII sport "playing up" in DI. All of the teams you mentioned were playing at the top level of hockey before the division classification came into play, Union wasn't. Thus, couldn't "give" athletic scholarships. There was a vote as to whether DIII schools "playing up" could allow for scholarships, and a separate vote for the teams you mentioned (the "grandfather" clause.) Union voted no on both propositions (****ing off its ECAC brethren,) the grandfather clause eventually passed, and schools who are DIII can no longer play any sport at the DI level and offer scholarships.

[elbojpb]

Re: Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

call it what ya want, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,guess what...................its a duck

Actually not. Scholarships can be targeted to individuals, FA - as the other posters explained - must be doled out proportionately, specifically not targeting any sport, nationality or group of students. You can ask, Buff St, Neumann!, Morrisville, Geneseo, Potsdam?, et al.

It may be a goose (or a fish), but it's definitely not a duck.

[PSUChamps2001]

Actually not. Scholarships can be targeted to individuals, FA - as the other posters explained - must be doled out proportionately, specifically not targeting any sport, nationality or group of students. You can ask, Buff St, Neumann!, Morrisville, Geneseo, Potsdam?, et al.

It may be a goose (or a fish), but it's definitely not a duck.

Right.....like having huge FA breaks for foreign students isnt geared towards hockey? Yea because there are a lot of Canadians playing football and baseball in DIII. The Sweeds are just dominating the round ball game of hoops.

Hockey is so unique in that in the DIII world the majority of quality teams are made up of foreign players, and those that do not are typically at the bottom of the league. We've seen first hand at what a large class off foreign players can do to a struggling program. While you may not go out and win a National Championship like "some" cheaters, I mean schools, do....it can certainly elevate your program.

The NCAA has set a decent idea with the whole 51/49 non-athletes/athletes, but I still think there should be a % cap meaning:

25% of school bill
school A $35000 ( $8750 off ) =$26250
school B $15000 ( $3750 off ) =$11250

but too many times we see
school A $35000 ( $20000 off ) =$15000
school B $15000 ( $3750 off ) =$11250

Put a % cap and see what happens.....when some schools can't give out nearly free rides, they wont get the top quality recruits year in year out.

[bakdraft21]

Re: Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

Actually not. Scholarships can be targeted to individuals, FA - as the other posters explained - must be doled out proportionately, specifically not targeting any sport, nationality or group of students. You can ask, Buff St, Neumann!, Morrisville, Geneseo, Potsdam?, et al.

It may be a goose (or a fish), but it's definitely not a duck.

believe what ya like,bottom line these kids are not going to give up bug buck scholarships at other schools,and I am sure many had them, to get zipo,or close to it at Union,if financial aide is what ya like to call it so be it,it is also way easier to give out FA when you only have 2200 students to deal with.Very happy to see Union win,good team and that Gothliesburger can flat out play

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Union College, our old buddies from DIII and NESCAC.

Not exactly. IRC, they are a DIII sport "playing up" in DI. All of the teams you mentioned were playing at the top level of hockey before the division classification came into play, Union wasn't. Thus, couldn't "give" athletic scholarships. There was a vote as to whether DIII schools "playing up" could allow for scholarships, and a separate vote for the teams you mentioned (the "grandfather" clause.) Union voted no on both propositions (****ing off its ECAC brethren,) the grandfather clause eventually passed, and schools who are DIII can no longer play any sport at the DI level and offer scholarships.

It would appear you are correct. According to this old USCHO article:

Union moved its hockey program to Division I in 1991, after the 1982-83 waiver, and therefore, unlike the other D-III schools that play in the ECAC, has never been allowed to grant athletic scholarships. Though Union, in fact, has not seemed interested in doing so anyway; the institution does not give preferential aid to athletes, either.

[joecct]

It would appear you are correct. According to this old USCHO article:

That article was during the Roger (40%) Hull admin. Since he left, the admin has changed its level of support to the hockey program.