National Semi-Final: Minnesota vs. North Dakota

[SanTropez]

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You guys do win the homegrown sugar beet competition if nothing else.

[Dirty]

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You guys do win the homegrown sugar beet competition if nothing else.

If you go by FS23's definition of homegrown, including the radii and the pi with the parallelograms and the rhombuseses, sure. But with my much simpler definition, probably not since Crystal Sugar is in East Grand Forks. You're thinking of the potato/french fry fart stink that is Simplot.

[FredsDeadFriend]

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Well, IF the allies had lost WW2, then we might all be Nazis and Ralph Engelstad and UND might be ruling America's collegiate realm these days, but thankfully. because of all the incredible contributions from the state of Minnesota, its OFFICIAL LEGAL residents and it's Flagship University and its Faculty and students, the Allies were able to overcome the evil Axis Powers and the world is not ruled by Nazis, Ralph Engelstad and the University of North Dakota.

Nope, instead democracy and freedom are alive and well, and the State of the University of Minnesota rules the American collegiate realm these days.

[captain beefheart]

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Cute that Gopher fans have resorted to claiming Duluth just so they can win the vaunted Homegrown Talent Title. And they pretended like they didn't care or questioned the validity of my factual statements.

We don't "claim" umtc duluth. It is more like a benign cyst. Dirty, do you walk into a room "claiming" you have the clap? No. It is just common knowledge.

[Sioux_fan]

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Homegrown Definition:
1. grown or made at home or in your local area; or
2. raised in or coming from your local area

Local Definition:
1. pertaining to or characterized by place or position in space; spatial.
2. pertaining to, characteristic of, or restricted to a particular place or particular places: a local custom.
3. pertaining to a city, town, or small district rather than an entire state or country: local transportation.
4. stopping at most or all stations: a local train.
5. pertaining to or affecting a particular part or particular parts, as of a physical system or organism: a local disease.

Dirty's definition is certainly more appropriate than including everyone in the entire State of the University of Minnesota.

I'm sorry but even as a UND fan, I think this is a dumb argument. If you understood the socioeconomics of major cities, most middle and upper-middle class people move to the suburbs to raise kids because the nice areas of the suburbs are cheaper than the liveable parts of the inner city and crime/schools are generally better.

You need money to play hockey so no surprise that the inner cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul have weak youth numbers.

That being said, most in the Twin Cities identify as being part of the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro, may work in the city, and take advantage of entertainment in the city.

A better definition would be to say that homegrown is the area/media market/locale where players grow up and identify with the program. To say Kyle Rau isn't homegrown because he grew up in Eden Prairie is ridiculous. He probably went to Gopher games growing up and watched them on tv.

Thus, the U of Minnesota includes the Twin Cities metro (and to an extent the state of Minnesota though FSN coverage). UND includes Grand Forks/East Grand Forks/Warroad/East Grand Forks/Roseau/Thief River and probably all of North Dakota. Of course its a moot point for UND since they have some of the most diverse geographic recruitment success of ANY college hockey team. And of course its unfair. The Twin Cities 3.5 million (and lots of money) vs 100,000 Grand Forks metro is not even fair. That's why this whole argument is stupid. Both Greater Grand Forks and the Twin Cities put out good talent per capita.

You can't even used your narrow (only attendance matters) definition for that in your favor right now.

Attendance

So sad

I have to side with UND on this. The only reason UM won attendance this year is because of the outdoor game. Since Ralph Engelstad Arena opened, UND has beaten the U of M in attendance (except this year). And don't tell me its because REA is bigger because I've seen Gopher games on tv and they are usually not greatly attended. Don't get me wrong, the U of M has a large fan base but its no where near as loyal and well supported per capita as UND. Even Bruce Ciskie, the UMD radio announcer, has said that no fan base travels better than UND.

[JoeGopher]

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A Gopher fan saying where a player is from is inconsequential? Shocking! Is that allowed? Will you have to give back your Goldy ears for speaking such blasphemy?

No Gopher ears to speak of. To paraphrase a somewhat famous Minnesotan, "it's more important that they are playing for the name on the front of the jersey than the name on the back." Don't care where they are from, just that they give it all for The "M"

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I'm sorry but even as a UND fan, I think this is a dumb argument. If you understood the socioeconomics of major cities, most middle and upper-middle class people move to the suburbs to raise kids because the nice areas of the suburbs are cheaper than the liveable parts of the inner city and crime/schools are generally better.

You need money to play hockey so no surprise that the inner cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul have weak youth numbers.

That being said, most in the Twin Cities identify as being part of the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro, may work in the city, and take advantage of entertainment in the city.

A better definition would be to say that homegrown is the area/media market/locale where players grow up and identify with the program. To say Kyle Rau isn't homegrown because he grew up in Eden Prairie is ridiculous. He probably went to Gopher games growing up and watched them on tv.

Thus, the U of Minnesota includes the Twin Cities metro (and to an extent the state of Minnesota though FSN coverage). UND includes Grand Forks/East Grand Forks/Warroad/East Grand Forks/Roseau/Thief River and probably all of North Dakota. Of course its a moot point for UND since they have some of the most diverse geographic recruitment success of ANY college hockey team. And of course its unfair. The Twin Cities 3.5 million (and lots of money) vs 100,000 Grand Forks metro is not even fair. That's why this whole argument is stupid. Both Greater Grand Forks and the Twin Cities put out good talent per capita.

Ummm...maybe you didn't get the memo. ALL OF THIS is dumb and stupid. I don't think anyone other than the Gopher fans are taking this seriously.

[Dirty]

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Ummm...maybe you didn't get the memo. ALL OF THIS is dumb and stupid. I don't think anyone other than the Gopher fans are taking this seriously.

I'm taking this all super cereal. UND = Homegrown Talent Royalty!

[mnpokecheck]

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Ummm...maybe you didn't get the memo. ALL OF THIS is dumb and stupid. I don't think anyone other than the Gopher fans are taking this seriously.

Ah, the specious argument that nobody gets it but me. Congrats....you may be a Whioux fan if......

[mnstate0fhockey]

I have to side with UND on this. The only reason UM won attendance this year is because of the outdoor game.

No doubt. But you are assuming this is a rational discussion. This particular conversation stopped being rational when people started claming that game attendance is the be-all-end-all in determining which fan base is "most followed" and "hometown" talent is only considered players who grew up within a radius of 5 miles from campus.

[purpleinnebraska]

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That also gives them 6 National Championships.

Does that work in reverse? Does Mankato also have 6 titles?

Yes. And we've made the Frozen Four 4 years in a row. And last year, weirdly, we shared the McNaughton with ourselves.

[FredsDeadFriend]

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The issue here is simple, one program has something that they feel that they can look back upon with pride, and SOME of another rival program's fans, being a bunch of disrespectful homer losers want to TRY to rob and steal this from their hated rivals, they want to TRY to deny that its something that pride can be felt about.


It's akin to the LOSING team claiming the winning team doesn't deserve to be prideful about winning, because the refs screwed the losing team out of the win.

It's POOR sportsmanship.


It's weak, its lame, its pathetic.




It would be EQUALLY AS LAME for a fan of Minnesota to try to put down UND as a program for NOT relying on home grown talent, as the reality is that the population of North Dakota can not realistically support a National Title winning program without looking outside of its borders to find enough quality players.



But, part of the reason for this is that while UMn was struggling to win Natl Titles, because of their stance against recruiting Canadians and their trying to recruit mostly if not only Minnesotans, UND was NOT doing anything to encourage or build up their states hockey situation, so here we are decades later, and North Dakota STILL has to rely on getting recruits from Canada and other states, while Minnesota is NOW benefitting from their earlier efforts because they have plenty of good Minnesota grown hockey players to choose from and wouldn't have to go outside of their state borders if they didn't want to, but unlike in the past, they don't need to help the state's hockey situation anymore, so now they CAN recruit out of state on occasion.



And the thing is, while UND's reward for their efforts has been 7 NCAA titles compared to UMn's only having 5 specifically NCAA titles, they needed a Golden Gopher to help them win their last 2.



AND, Minnesota has been rewarded for their efforts with OVER TWENTY former players in the US Hockey Hall of Fame, while UND has what? 2 or 3?


20+ vs 2 or 3


16-17 that got in on their own right, and another 6 or so that got in as a part of a Gold Medal Winning Olympic team for Minnesota.



So some of the more lame and pathetic UND fans may not appreciate what UMn did and still does to a degree when it comes to recruiting, but USA HOCKEY seems to appreciate what UMn did and does, apparently.



And when the US wins another Gold Medal, my guess is it will be the University of Minnesota who will be getting some pats on the back from the US loving loyal media...


NOT the Nazi sympathizing, Native American disrespecting, No name, Canadian loving, One Tree State University of North Dakota.

[Dirty]

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Excellent picture of Wilcox

[mnstate0fhockey]

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It's akin to the LOSING team claiming the winning team doesn't deserve to be prideful about winning, because the refs screwed the losing team out of the win.

Fred, you forget that when UND plays they have to beat both the opponent and the refs. This is common knowledge.

[Dirty]

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Fred, you forget that when UND plays they have to beat both the opponent and the refs. This is common knowledge.

It's the homegrown talent and all the pride it entails that allows UND to persevere and defeat both the opponent and the refs time after time.