Hockey East Semis: #2 UMass-Lowell vs. #8 Notre Dame

[beach327]

Re: Hockey East Semis: #2 UMass-Lowell vs. #8 Notre Dame

I was at game yesterday, they were all over the BC forwards, most games they would have been whistled, pretty amazing with what they got away with...Gaudreau was mugged all night with no calls....if both teams play that style it is okay, I guess, but it clearly favored the ND style of play....not to say they didn't clog the center ice....but you can do things to break that, but if the refs are not calling the clutching, spinning, and pulling down....it's tough....

[claver2010]

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Less clutch/grab and more clog/congest lately to be honest.

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[Patman]

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I was at game yesterday, they were all over the BC forwards, most games they would have been whistled, pretty amazing with what they got away with...Gaudreau was mugged all night with no calls....if both teams play that style it is okay, I guess, but it clearly favored the ND style of play....not to say they didn't clog the center ice....but you can do things to break that, but if the refs are not calling the clutching, spinning, and pulling down....it's tough....

well vermont was playing similar in style so we've had some practice against it. Not the way I like to see things go, but the refs have their styles.

[beach327]

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Depending on what ref you get..... tough when the ref assignment determines what type of game you're getting....GO LOWELL!!!

[candycanes99]

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I was at game yesterday, they were all over the BC forwards, most games they would have been whistled, pretty amazing with what they got away with...Gaudreau was mugged all night with no calls....if both teams play that style it is okay, I guess, but it clearly favored the ND style of play....not to say they didn't clog the center ice....but you can do things to break that, but if the refs are not calling the clutching, spinning, and pulling down....it's tough....

If it's not a blatant hold, hook, or trip, and the puck is there, what are they going to call? Maybe I missed something obvious yesterday, but I don't remember a slew of things like you're insinuating. Yet ND does usually get more things called against them, quite possible I wasn't paying attention to things behind the play while watching the broadcast like I do in person. Overall they did call the stuff that was obvious (6 guys out there, tripping of Demko). But the groans from the crowd on a lot of the contact along the boards just had me shaking my head.

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Implied comparison to 'way they were before.' If you have further insight as to how ND was playing their average game from Nov-Jan compared to Feb-now I'd love to hear it.

[claver2010]

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If it's not a blatant hold, hook, or trip, and the puck is there, what are they going to call? Maybe I missed something obvious yesterday, but I don't remember a slew of things like you're insinuating. Yet ND does usually get more things called against them, quite possible I wasn't paying attention to things behind the play while watching the broadcast like I do in person. Overall they did call the stuff that was obvious (6 guys out there, tripping of Demko). But the groans from the crowd on a lot of the contact along the boards just had me shaking my head.


Implied comparison to 'way they were before.' If you have further insight as to how ND was playing their average game from Nov-Jan compared to Feb-now I'd love to hear it.

I can't recall a game in HE with more grabbing, hooking, etc than what happened Sunday. If that was down from what occurred earlier in the season, Bennedetto & crew would have you guys playing a man down for 60 minutes.

It was the Pat Riley school of thought, if I foul (or in this case commit a penalty) on every play they can't call it every time. Mainly because those morons were thinking, "It's a playoff game, I can't call a penalty, I might have an affect on the game!" All the while by calling nothing they were influencing it more.



*ND DESERVED TO WIN THE SERIES*

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I can't recall a game in HE with more grabbing, hooking, etc than what happened Sunday. If that was down from what occurred earlier in the season, Bennedetto & crew would have you guys playing a man down for 60 minutes.

It was the Pat Riley school of thought, if I foul (or in this case commit a penalty) on every play they can't call it every time. Mainly because those morons were thinking, "It's a playoff game, I can't call a penalty, I might have an affect on the game!" All the while by calling nothing they were influencing it more.



*ND DESERVED TO WIN THE SERIES*

I know you probably are too young to be around for the Shawn Walsh years but this was exactly how he got things done. It was especially bad in the last minute of a game or overtime. You had to have a laugh when his last game involved his team getting called for it (non-HE refs, hahahhaha) and him getting booted for complaining that his kids got caught cheating under his orders. Then the next year, Minnesota beats Maine on a PP in overtime for the national title. That remains some of the most rich stuff in college hockey history.

Interestingly, the games this weekend resembled those Maine teams of old right down to the coach complaining about getting caught. Sometimes it works as we learned from Walsh.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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ps - Go Riverhawks.

[UMLFan]

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I know you probably are too young to be around for the Shawn Walsh years but this was exactly how he got things done. It was especially bad in the last minute of a game or overtime. You had to have a laugh when his last game involved his team getting called for it (non-HE refs, hahahhaha) and him getting booted for complaining that his kids got caught cheating under his orders. Then the next year, Minnesota beats Maine on a PP in overtime for the national title. That remains some of the most rich stuff in college hockey history.

Interestingly, the games this weekend resembled those Maine teams of old right down to the coach complaining about getting caught. Sometimes it works as we learned from Walsh.

Man, I remember those Maine teams, and what they got away with. Not that they weren't talented, of course.

[candycanes99]

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I can't recall a game in HE with more grabbing, hooking, etc than what happened Sunday. If that was down from what occurred earlier in the season, Bennedetto & crew would have you guys playing a man down for 60 minutes.

Well if anything that's a testament to just how talented the forwards for BC were, and ND probably did get away with too much. There probably won't be as much without a Gaudreau or Hayes on the ice to catch.

And alas, I wish we had more Benedetto. Seemed like Bunyon was the one most willing to make the trip to South Bend most of the time.

[Go-UML]

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Is it Friday yet?

[beach327]

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It is fine when refs swallow their whistles when the teams play similar styles... But in this case, complete opposites, it clearly gives the advantage to the clutch and grab team. Some of the calls not made would have been made a hundred times out of a hundred, just seemed incredible they weren't in this series. Listening to the announcers in the replay, saying as "bad" as the no-calls were, at least the were consistent. Well only ND was clutching and grabbing, so their consistency favored ND's style.

[candycanes99]

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It is fine when refs swallow their whistles when the teams play similar styles... But in this case, complete opposites, it clearly gives the advantage to the clutch and grab team. Some of the calls not made would have been made a hundred times out of a hundred, just seemed incredible they weren't in this series. Listening to the announcers in the replay, saying as "bad" as the no-calls were, at least the were consistent. Well only ND was clutching and grabbing, so their consistency favored ND's style.

Fair enough, agree with that. Just curious not having seen a lot of their games, what was BC doing all season to lead the conf in PIM?

[UML Puck Hawk]

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150 free student tickets look to be gone by the end of the day. About 80 in line right now

[beach327]

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you're exactly right....I haven't a clue.....blinded by bias too....When one team is a speed team, passing etc.....and the other is a clutch and grab(talented too) wait for a mistake, (and continually clutching and grabbing w/o calls leads to a number of odd man rushes)... it favors one team as they clog the middle and wait for the mistake...sure they can clutch and grab too, but if it's not their style of hockey, it's tough to adjust (YES) in a game....you can definitely get slowed down by the way a game is called, however a team can't gain speed and finesse by the way a game is called....my bias is I didn't like the Devil's style of hockey when they were winning their Cups and after watching ND play I don't like their style either...If the refs call all the grabbing and clutching ND did this weekend, they probably fall behind because of the PP and would have to open up, which is not their strength....hey...hockey is a game and there are winners....I just think the refs really did influence the outcome this weekend by the calls they didn't make...calls they make are always going to be argued, I think it is always the calls they don't make that can really influence an outcome...JUST MY BIAS