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  • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

    Originally posted by mtu_huskies View Post
    Great explanation of what was going on in the early 80s in the WCHA realignment thread, regarding MTUs switch between the WCHA/CCHA.
    I had no idea this discussion was going on over here. Glad I could help and clear some things up. I'll add a little more Technical (pun intended) information for reference.

    Notre Dame athletic director Ed Krause and Michigan athletic director Don Canham were the figures behind the move to the CCHA. The biggest complaint was travel costs. Canham claimed trips to Colorado Springs, Denver, and Grand Forks were costing between $6,000-10,000 per trip, which was about half the average U.S. salary in the late 1970s. Michigan hockey was still struggling financially from the expensive renovation of Yost into an ice arena. Canham also complained that schools like CC, DU, and UMD were not big draws and that regional schools would produce bigger crowds and better rivalries.

    There were some politics at play on the proposed merger of the CCHA and WCHA.

    The WCHA rejected applications of admittance from Bowling Green, Lake Superior, and St. Louis around 1975. Soon after the NCAA plan to have CCHA tournament champion St. Louis face Minnesota in a "play-in" game in the 1976 NCAA Tournament was stonewalled by Herb Brooks and other WCHA coaches and administrators. That irked the CCHA schools further. Two years later it was WCHA schools bringing forward five proposals on merging the CCHA and WCHA. But by this time the CCHA had an auto-bid and Bowling Green had just finished third in the national tournament, so the once fledging league had some leverage. Instead of BG, LSSU, and SLU wanting out and in the WCHA, it was Michigan and Notre Dame wanting out and in the CCHA. The CCHA schools didn't have much to lose by sticking with the CCHA except St. Louis, whose attendance and revenue were in a free fall following the lost support of the Solomon family when they sold the Blues and St. Louis Arena to Purina.

    Krause and Canham desperately wanted to cut travel costs, so they proposed three different "merge and divide" plans and one plan to simply leave the WCHA for the CCHA. Canham brought forward three plans: a) merge the two leagues and split into two divisions, b) merge the two leagues, add Air Force and Colorado, then split into three divisions, and c) Michigan and Notre Dame leave for the CCHA. Notre Dame and Michigan State had a proposal similar to Canham's A-plan for two divisions, but their plan kept the Big Ten schools all in one division with BG, ND, and WMU.

    No agreeable plan was found and the CCHA and WCHA did not merge. Canham and Krause made it very public they were not happy in the WCHA. Michigan Tech with the legendary John MacInnes and Michigan State with new coach Ron Mason did not want to leave the WCHA. However, Canham and Krause stayed true to their word and forced the fate of other programs. In late May 1980, UM and ND announced they were leaving the WCHA for the CCHA. When Michigan left, Michigan State and Michigan Tech felt, for obvious reasons, they had no other choice but to follow UM and ND. MSU and MTU announced about a week or so later in early June they would also leave the WCHA. Tech AD Ted Kearly said at the time he did not want to leave the WCHA, but with long-time rival Michigan moving and 86% of Tech students being from in-state, he felt he needed to stick with the Michigan schools.

    Now for some more politics.

    With just conference tournaments remaining in the 1982-83 season, Bowling Green was having it's second-best season in school history. BG was ranked No. 2 in the national official NCAA poll with just semi-finals and finals left. The NCAA poll was the precursor to the PairWise rankings. It was a poll conducted by the NCAA selection committee and released every week with about 4-6 weeks left in the season that was meant to make the NCAA selection process transparent. BG head coach Jerry York was on the selection committee that year, but with his team in the hunt for a bid, he resigned and was replaced.

    BG ended up losing in overtime to Michigan State in the CCHA championship game. Considering BG had made the tournament the previous season with a worse record and with a loss in the CCHA semifinals, it was thought that a No. 2 ranking by the NCAA and an overtime loss in the championship game would make BG a lock for the tourney. When the bids came out, the WCHA got three bids and only MSU would represent the CCHA. Minnesota-Duluth, a team that had lost in the WCHA semifinals, had seven more losses than BG, and had been barely ranked in the NCAA top ten, was selected over Bowling Green.

    It was a huge, huge controversy that nearly every coach in the country spoke out against. To put it in perspective, at a time when the NCAA tournament was only eight teams, half of the six-team WCHA made the tournament in 1983 while only one out 11 CCHA teams were selected. When NCAA committee member and Michigan coach John Giordano revealed that he had received multiple phone calls from multiple WCHA athletic directors pressuring him to vote for UMD over BG, the atmosphere between the CCHA and WCHA got worse.

    In a moment of asininity, following the 1983 tournament selection debacle the WCHA thought they would approach the CCHA about a merger of sorts. The WCHA only had six teams and was having difficulty scheduling non-conference games. The CCHA had 11 teams. In a written proposal to the CCHA, the two leagues would keep their names and governance structure, the WCHA would get two CCHA teams (Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan), the two leagues would have an interlocking schedule, and the two conferences would have one large "western hockey" tournament instead of individual conference tournaments. It took the CCHA less than two weeks to vote down the proposal 10-1. Michigan Tech was the lone consenting vote. The NCAA snub was fresh on the minds of the CCHA schools and it probably had some effect on the vote.

    Fast forward eight months and Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan announce they will leave the CCHA for the WCHA. It comes as a shock to no one. Michigan Tech said the move by UM, MSU, and ND to the CCHA was a travel cost-saving measure and that any cost savings in the CCHA over the WCHA was nonexistent for MTU. The Huskies also wanted more inter-league play (at the time the CCHA played 30 conference games), which is why they voted for the CCHA-WCHA interlocking merger, and the WCHA just signed an interlocking schedule agreement with the yet-to-be-named Hockey East. It was an easy move for Tech.

    An aside regarding Bowling Green's snub from the 1983 tournament. They came back in 1984 and won the NCAA tournament. Who did they beat in the title game? Minnesota-Duluth. Revenge can be sweet.

    Looks like I nearly wrote a novella but there's a lot of information to share. I hope you found it worth the read.
    Last edited by John Biasi; 04-18-2014, 10:11 AM.

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    • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

      Originally posted by John Biasi View Post
      Looks like I nearly wrote a novella but there's a lot of information to share. I hope you found it worth the read.
      Well worth the read. Thank you.
      Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

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      • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

        Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
        Well worth the read. Thank you.
        Indeed, cool to see more of the story that I honestly don't know much about being that I was born in 85
        MTU Hockey fan since I was carried to a game in 1986 - for those counting... that's a lot of depressing hockey. Still love it.

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        • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

          How did all those WCHA teams get into the 1983 NCAA tournament while the CCHA teams didn't?
          tUMD Hockey

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          • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

            Originally posted by Biddco View Post
            How did all those WCHA teams get into the 1983 NCAA tournament while the CCHA teams didn't?
            Smoky backroom Selection Committee crap. Same reason Mankato got jobbed a few years back when they awarded a bid to a sub-.500 Wisconsin team who was hosting a regional in Madison.

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            • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              Smoky backroom Selection Committee crap. Same reason Mankato got jobbed a few years back when they awarded a bid to a sub-.500 Wisconsin team who was hosting a regional in Madison.
              That bid had nothing to do with smoky back rooms. It was the PWR.
              "The use of common sense and logic will not be tolerated and may result in fine and/or suspension."- Western Professional Hockey League By-laws. 1999-2000.

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              • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                I'll give you another one. In I think 1971, Tech had been undefeated at home and was either no 1 or no 2 in the country.The team was big, fast and physical. The WCHA playoffs at that time were a single elimination deal. Tech lost to UND which was a bad team then, at the old Wisconsin arena. Gary Crosby scored to tie the game late,
                ( after Tech was down 2 or 3 goals) but the ref ruled no goal, and tech was out. The next year began the 3 game total goals format for the first round.
                MTU: Three time NCAA champions.

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                • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                  Originally posted by Biddco View Post
                  How did all those WCHA teams get into the 1983 NCAA tournament while the CCHA teams didn't?
                  In 1982 and 1983, automatic NCAA bids were awarded to the the CCHA, ECAC, and WCHA tournament champions and to two ECAC teams of the NCAA committee's selection. Three at-large bids remained for any Division I program, but usually were split so the east and west would have equal representatives of four each.

                  Third place Wisconsin got in with the auto-bid by beating Minnesota in the WCHA championship. Minnesota got in because they were the No. 1 team in the country.

                  Minnesota-Duluth was the head scratcher. The Bulldogs had been ranked No. 1 four or five times early in the season and No. 2 as late as January, but then they tanked going 3-7 in their next 10 and subsequently falling out of the top ten. They finished fourth in the WCHA but had the third best overall record. North Dakota had finished second in the WCHA but they could not fill their non-conference schedule (see previous post) and played mostly exhibition games leaving them with eight fewer games played than UMD. The Sioux had lost to Wisconsin in the WCHA semifinals and were not being considered for the tournament because of their record and lack of non-conference games (only two each against Providence and US International).

                  The NCAA committee at the time was a four-man committee with two coaches from the west and two from the east. Each committee member voted for the at-large bids. If a vote tied 2-2, the team of higher ranking (NCAA poll not media poll) would get the bid.

                  Minnesota was an easy pick for an at-large bid. When the vote came down to Minnesota-Duluth or Bowling Green, the vote was tied 2-2, but after the coaches deliberated, Northeastern coach Fern Flaman decided to change his vote to UMD. The reasoning being, first, UMD had a better record against CCHA teams than BG had against the WCHA. BG went 0-1-1 against Wisconsin of the WCHA and UMD went 4-1-0 against MTU and NMU of the CCHA. Second, the WCHA was thought to be stronger because they held a 9-1-1 record against the CCHA that season. MTU over UMD was the lone CCHA win over the WCHA.

                  This led to the BG rule (long before we had the CC rule in the early 90s).

                  During the 1983 off-season, Jerry York and four other CCHA coaches put forth legislation at the NCAA meetings to prevent the selection committee from awarding only one bid to the CCHA. Despite the NCAA executive committee being against the legislation, it passed by a close vote. The new legislation (the BG rule) dictated automatic bids be awarded to the three conference tournament champions, one at-large bid awarded each to the CCHA and WCHA, and three at-large bids to the ECAC.
                  Last edited by John Biasi; 04-18-2014, 10:16 AM.

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                  • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                    Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                    I'll give you another one. In I think 1971, Tech had been undefeated at home and was either no 1 or no 2 in the country.The team was big, fast and physical. The WCHA playoffs at that time were a single elimination deal. Tech lost to UND which was a bad team then, at the old Wisconsin arena. Gary Crosby scored to tie the game late,
                    ( after Tech was down 2 or 3 goals) but the ref ruled no goal, and tech was out. The next year began the 3 game total goals format for the first round.
                    They were ranked No. 2.

                    It was the first year a national coaches poll was ever conducted. Boston University had been ranked No. 1 every week with Tech at No. 2. Then MTU went on a winning streak mid-season and flipped spots with BU. Tech slipped back to No. 2 behind BU after the Huskies were swept in Denver late in the season. Everyone assumed BU and MTU would meet in the title game. Instead, BU won the title over fifth-place Minnesota (who had a losing record) while MTU missed the NCAAs. That quickly ended the single-elimination playoff experiment.

                    WKOW radio in Madison ran that first poll, but it disappeared after only one season. Bob Olson of WMPL revived it in 1972-73 and we've had a national poll every year since.

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                    • Originally posted by John Biasi View Post
                      Bob Olson of WMPL revived it in 1972-73 and we've had a national poll every year since.
                      Bob Olson I believe he should have got more credit for the way college hockey is today.

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                      • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                        Originally posted by John Biasi View Post
                        In 1982 and 1983, automatic NCAA bids were awarded to the the CCHA, ECAC, and WCHA tournament champions and to two ECAC teams of the NCAA committee's selection. Three at-large bids remained for any Division I program, but usually were split so the east and west would have equal representatives of four each.

                        Third place Wisconsin got in with the auto-bid by beating Minnesota in the WCHA championship. Minnesota got in because they were the No. 1 team in the country.

                        Minnesota-Duluth was the head scratcher. The Bulldogs had been ranked No. 1 four or five times early in the season and No. 2 as late as January, but then they tanked going 3-7 in their next 10 and subsequently falling out of the top ten. They finished fourth in the WCHA but had the third best overall record. North Dakota had finished second in the WCHA but they could not fill their non-conference schedule (see previous post) and played mostly exhibition games leaving them with eight fewer games played than UMD. The Sioux had lost to Wisconsin in the WCHA semifinals and were not being considered for the tournament because of their record and lack of non-conference games (only two each against Providence and US International).

                        The NCAA committee at the time was a four-man committee with two coaches from the west and two from the east. Each committee member voted for the at-large bids. If a vote tied 2-2, the team of higher ranking (NCAA poll not media poll) would get the bid.

                        Minnesota was an easy pick for an at-large bid. When the vote came down to Minnesota-Duluth or Bowling Green, the vote was tied 2-2, but after the coaches deliberated, Northeastern coach Fern Flaman decided to change his vote to UMD. The reasoning being, first, UMD had a better record against CCHA teams than BG had against the WCHA. BG went 0-1-1 against Wisconsin of the WCHA and UMD went 4-1-0 against MTU and NMU of the CCHA. Second, the WCHA was thought to be stronger because they held a 9-1-1 record against the CCHA that season. MTU over UMD was the lone CCHA win over the WCHA.

                        This lead to the BG rule (long before we had the CC rule in the early 90s).

                        During the 1983 off-season, Jerry York and four other CCHA coaches put forth legislation at the NCAA meetings to prevent the selection committee from awarding only one bid to the CCHA. Despite the NCAA executive committee being against the legislation, it passed by a close vote. The new legislation (the BG rule) dictated automatic bids be awarded to the three conference tournament champions, one at-large bid awarded each to the CCHA and WCHA, and three at-large bids to the ECAC.
                        Great synopsis. Thanks!
                        tUMD Hockey

                        "And there is a banana running around the DECC." "Well you don't see that every day..."

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                        • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                          Good stuff

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                          • Originally posted by davyd83
                            Why? He hasn't been in the game in 20 years? Bob was one of the best in the business. He's been one of the people that got me into the business. But exactly what should he get credit for today? Hybrid icing? The NCHC? Video feeds?
                            THe coaches and SIDS would call the station up north with scores.

                            They were the Mecca of college hockey scores before the internet.

                            Also he kept the college hockey polls going.

                            College hockey needs more people like Bob Olson. He tried hard to make the game visible in the US as much as possible. He loved the WCHA and college hockey.

                            I think he is in eighties and living out East.

                            I admire Bob a lot. Easter time is a good time to bring up Bob Olsons name if you know what I mean.
                            Last edited by Pink Pony; 04-19-2014, 07:15 PM.

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                            • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                              Unless they screwed up again the hockey schedule is officially out:
                              http://www.michigantechhuskies.com/s...20140421ptebhz
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                              • Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

                                The official press release of the schedule from today.
                                http://www.michigantechhuskies.com/s...20140421ptebhz

                                Michigan Tech Announces 2014-15 Hockey Schedule

                                HOUGHTON, Mich. — Michigan Tech today unveiled its 2014-15 hockey schedule. The 94th season in Huskies history will feature 19 home dates and a top-notch non-conference slate.

                                Highlights of the schedule include a home series against Michigan and another vs. Minnesota Duluth, the 50th annual Great Lakes Invitational in Detroit, two home-and-home weekends with rival Northern Michigan and a non-conference trip to old WCHA rival Wisconsin.

                                Tech begins 2014-15 with an important league tilt on opening weekend when it travels to Lake Superior State for a Saturday-Sunday matchup Oct. 4-5. The Huskies will play an exhibition vs. a Canadian team (still to be determined) and an intrasquad game to fill two the following two weekends before another league road trip to Ferris State Oct. 24-25.

                                Michigan Tech's official 2014-15 home opener will be against Michigan Oct. 31. The Wolverines will come to Houghton for the first time since Nov. 11-12, 1983, a Tech sweep (8-2, 3-1). The two-game set will precede a home series against Alaska Anchorage Nov. 7-8.

                                A pair of road weekends (at Bemidji State Nov. 14-15 and Alabama Huntsville Nov. 28-29) and two home series (vs. Minnesota State Nov. 21-22 and Minnesota Duluth Dec. 12-13) will close out Tech's first-half schedule heading into the GLI.

                                The 50th Great Lakes Invitational will be played at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit starting on Sunday, Dec. 28. Tech will face Michigan in one semifinal game while Michigan State will square off against Ferris State in the other. The third-place and championship games will be played on Monday, Dec. 29.

                                Just four days later, Tech will be in Madison to play at Wisconsin Jan. 2-3 and wrap up its 2014-15 non-conference schedule.

                                The first of the two home-and-homes with NMU comes Jan. 9-10. Tech will have home ice on the 10th, marking the start of a nine-game home stand. Bowling Green State, Alaska, Alabama Huntsville and Bemidji State all come to the MacInnes Student Ice Arena during the stretch, with the Bemidji serving as this year's Winter Carnival foe Feb. 6-7.

                                Tech finishes with five of its last six on the road. Trips to Alaska Anchorage (Feb. 13-14) and Minnesota State (Feb. 27-28) surround a bye weekend. Tech will close with Northern Michigan at home Mar. 6 and in Marquette Mar. 7.

                                "As was the case last year, the WCHA will be very competitive," said head coach Mel Pearson. "I expect many close games again. A home series vs. league playoff champion Minnesota State will be one of the highlights of our WCHA schedule.

                                "I'm really looking forward to our non-league schedule, especially our home series against Big Ten opponent Michigan, which is always a strong team with a lot of NHL draft picks. We also continue our long-standing rivalry with Minnesota Duluth and cap our non-conference games with another Big Ten team in Wisconsin.

                                "Overall, I think it's a very competitive and attractive schedule for our fans."

                                Season tickets for Michigan Tech hockey are on sale now at the SDC Ticket Office (906-487-2073). Packages purchased by May 30 are just $225 apiece—25 percent off the regular price of $300.
                                Schedule: http://www.michigantechhuskies.com/s...14-15/schedule

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