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GopherFan89
01-21-2014, 05:01 PM
Some friends and I have been discussing lately which conference is the most competitive now that the WCHA no longer exists. Being SCSU fans, some of them have argued that the NCHC is the "most competitive" conference in hockey. One of their key arguments is because of the parity in the NCHC standings. Being a Gopher fan, I have to disagree. Not that I believe that the B1G 10 is the most competitive as the Hockey East also has it's share of heavy hitters and I know that there are some that would argue the merits of ECAC.

With that being said, who do you guys think the most competitive conference is today and will be in the future? And why?

Biddco
01-21-2014, 05:04 PM
Do everyone a favor and repost this thread in 10, 15, and 20 years. Then we'll answer your question.

WiscDC
01-21-2014, 05:09 PM
It will be interesting how we judge this (obviously, we won't agree, and the debate will carry on). Comparing a 6 team league and a 12 team league is difficult, for example. Then how much weight do you consider for how high up your top few teams are, and how much the average or median matters. What if a conference has one garbage team and a bunch of modestly good teams battling it out? Just going by the USCHO.com poll, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are ranked higher than all NCHC teams apart from St. Cloud State. On the other hand, if you look at all the vote getters, you see North Dakota at 18, then UNO, Miami, and UMD. Among all that from the Big Ten is just Ohio State. That's just looking at the Big Ten vs NCHC, of course. I can't forget about Hockey East.

It's not quite like ACC men's lacrosse (until this year), in which it was generally regarded as the best conference, because it had 4 teams, and all 4 regularly made the national tournament.

JF_Gophers
01-21-2014, 05:09 PM
Some friends and I have been discussing lately which conference is the most competitive now that the WCHA no longer exists.When did the WCHA stop being a conference? :confused:

GopherFan89
01-21-2014, 05:14 PM
When did the WCHA stop being a conference? :confused:

When most of the teams left and it was no longer the "real" WCHA anymore. You know what I mean.

SanTropez
01-21-2014, 05:16 PM
When did the WCHA stop being a conference? :confused:

When Ferris State and Mankato are at the top. :)

WiscDC
01-21-2014, 05:16 PM
When did the WCHA stop being a conference? :confused:

This too. Should have been "post-CCHA era."

JF_Gophers
01-21-2014, 05:20 PM
The real WCHA only existed from 1959 to 1965. After that they started adding crappy teams that dragged the league down.

Jimjamesak
01-21-2014, 05:27 PM
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WiscDC
01-21-2014, 05:37 PM
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Jimjamesak
01-21-2014, 05:46 PM
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Iwearpurple
01-21-2014, 06:48 PM
I realize that GopherFan89 doesn't recognize the WCHA, now that the Gophers are not members, but his question was, "which conference is the most competitive?

If you disregard the top and bottom teams, and then take the difference between the winning percentages of the 2nd best team and the 2nd worse teams, the answer is..........The WCHA.

GopherFan89
01-21-2014, 08:26 PM
I realize that GopherFan89 doesn't recognize the WCHA, now that the Gophers are not members, but his question was, "which conference is the most competitive?

If you disregard the top and bottom teams, and then take the difference between the winning percentages of the 2nd best team and the 2nd worse teams, the answer is..........The WCHA.

You're right...the WCHA is the most competitive conference. Sorry for the oversight.

Tipsy McStagger
01-21-2014, 08:28 PM
What if each conference was a baseball player? Where would you play then and bat them in the lineup?

Dirty
01-21-2014, 08:34 PM
What if each conference was a baseball player? Where would you play then and bat them in the lineup?

Wouldn't a greater concern be that you'd have to forfeit with only six players?

Jimjamesak
01-21-2014, 08:34 PM
You're right...the WCHA is the most competitive conference. Sorry for the oversight.
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hockeykrazy
01-21-2014, 09:56 PM
Post WCHA era???? What happened to the WCHA?

According to RPI and Pairwise in the top 25 here is the conference rankings right now...

Strongest Conference today...
1) Hockey East - 8 teams
2) ECAC - 6 teams
3) NCHC - 5 teams
4) Big Ten and WCHA - 3 teams each
5) Atlantic - 0 teams

Koho
01-21-2014, 10:37 PM
Post WCHA era???? What happened to the WCHA?

According to RPI and Pairwise in the top 25 here is the conference rankings right now...

Strongest Conference today...
1) Hockey East - 8 teams/10 = 80%
2) ECAC - 6 teams/12 = 66.6%
3) NCHC - 5 teams/8 = 62.5%
4) Big Ten =3/6 =50% and WCHA - 3/10 =30% teams each
5) Atlantic - 0 teams =0%

Now if you were to add some sort of weighting system by rank of those teams (1st = 25 pts, 25th +1 point?) it would also be interesting to see the results.

hockeykrazy
01-21-2014, 11:16 PM
I included all teams and averaged their overall rankings using RPI.

1) HE = 221/11 = 20.09
2) Big Ten = 6 teams = 1 + 10 +15 + 28 + 40 + 52 = 146/6 = 24.333
3) ECAC = 303/12 = 25.5
4) NCHC = 209/8 = 26.125
5) WCHA = 313/10 = 31.3
6) Atlantic = 578/12 = 48.1666

hockeykrazy
01-22-2014, 12:00 AM
I included all teams and averaged their overall rankings using RPI.

1) HE = 221/11 = 20.09
2) Big Ten = 6 teams = 1 + 10 +15 + 28 + 40 + 52 = 146/6 = 24.333
3) ECAC = 303/12 = 25.5
4) NCHC = 209/8 = 26.125
5) WCHA = 313/10 = 31.3
6) Atlantic = 578/12 = 48.1666


I still think HE and ECAC are the toughest conferences right now. They have 8 and 6 teams in the top 25 and they are playing each other regularly. Tougher competition means higher development barring injuries.