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joecct
01-19-2014, 04:53 PM
Top 15???

I'll post mine in a bit. As a hint (based on the spreadsheet)
1. SNC
2. WIL
3. ADR

PrezdeJohnson09
01-19-2014, 06:06 PM
Top 15???

I'll post mine in a bit. As a hint (based on the spreadsheet)
1. SNC
2. WIL
3. ADR

I don't know how the voters will rank them but this is how I would do it.

1. Adrian
2. St. Norbert
3. Stevens Point
4. Plattsburgh
5. Williams
6. River Falls
7. Norwich
8. Babson
9. UMass-Boston
10. St. scholastica
11. Eau Claire
12. Utica
13. Hobart
14. Trinity
15. Elmira

admiral0417
01-19-2014, 06:14 PM
Looks about right Prez...I might slide St. Thomas in #9 and Oswego in there at about 12. Lop off Elmira and Hobart I guess

PSUChamps2001
01-19-2014, 06:16 PM
Have to look at some more data but here is a point of reference....
<table> <tr><td> Rnk </td><td> TEAM </td><td> RECORD </td><td> VsRNK </td><td> BIG WINS / TIES vs RNK </td><td> LOSS / TIES vs UNRNK </td><td> LstWk </td><td> RESULT </td></tr>
<tr><td> 1 </td><td> ADRIAN </td><td> 14-0-3 </td><td> 2-0-1 </td><td> at GEN, CSS, CSS(T) </td><td> at Marian (T), St.Olaf (T) </td><td> 1-0-1 </td><td> T - CSS, W - CSS </td></tr>
<tr><td> 2 </td><td> UWSP </td><td> 13-2-1 </td><td> 3-1-1 </td><td> at STU, at UWEC, at UWRF, SNC(T) </td><td> UW Stout </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> W -at UWRF, L -at UWRF </td></tr>
<tr><td> 3 </td><td> PLATTS </td><td> 14-2-2 </td><td> 2-1-1 </td><td> Gen, at Nor, at OSU(T) </td><td> Hobart, at Buff St(T) </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> W -at Nor, W -at Mid, L - at Will </td></tr>
<tr><td> 4 </td><td> SNC </td><td> 14-2-1 </td><td> 4-1-1 </td><td> UWEC, at UWEC, STU, at UWRF, UWSP (T) </td><td> Lawrence </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at Conc Wi, W -Conc Wi </td></tr>
<tr><td> 5 </td><td> NORWICH </td><td> 12-3-2 </td><td> 1-2-0 </td><td> at Babson </td><td> UWS, Midd(T), St.A's(T) </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> L -PSU, W - St.Mikes, W - Midd </td></tr>
<tr><td> 6 </td><td> UMB </td><td> 13-2-2 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> Norwich </td><td> NEC, at NEC, Castleton(T), Skid(T) </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> W -at St.A's, L -at NEC </td></tr>
<tr><td> 7 </td><td> OSU </td><td> 11-3-2 </td><td> 1-1-2 </td><td> at UTC, UTC(T), PSU(T) </td><td> Fred, at Elmira </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> W -Salve, W -Naz, L -at ELM </td></tr>
<tr><td> 8 </td><td> BABSON </td><td> 14-3-0 </td><td> 0-2-0 </td><td> ? </td><td> at UNE </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at NEC, W -at St.A's </td></tr>
<tr><td> 9 </td><td> STU </td><td> 10-3-2 </td><td> 1-3-0 </td><td> ? </td><td> St.Olaf(T), Conc MN(T) </td><td> 0-1-0 </td><td> L -at UWEC </td></tr>
<tr><td> 10 </td><td> UTICA </td><td> 10-3-3 </td><td> 0-1-1 </td><td> OSU(T) </td><td> HOB, Morrisville, Brk(T) </td><td> 0-0-1 </td><td> T -at Brockport </td></tr>
<tr><td> 11 </td><td> UWEC </td><td> 11-3-1 </td><td> 1-3-0 </td><td> St.Thomas </td><td> UWS(T) </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> W - St.Thomas </td></tr>
<tr><td> 12 </td><td> WILLIAMS </td><td> 10-2-2 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> PSU, BABSON </td><td> HOB, at J&W, at Hamilton(T) </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W - Manh, W - PSU </td></tr>
<tr><td> 13 </td><td> GENESEO </td><td> 12-3-0 </td><td> 1-2-0 </td><td> OSU </td><td> at Elmira </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at Neum, W -at Neum </td></tr>
<tr><td> 14 </td><td> UWRF </td><td> 10-4-2 </td><td> 1-2-1 </td><td> UWSP, CSS(T) </td><td> at Augs, Conc Mn, Hamline(T) </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> L - UWSP, W - UWSP </td></tr>
<tr><td> 15 </td><td> CSS </td><td> 9-4-4 </td><td> 1-2-2 </td><td> SNC, UWRF(T), Adiran(T) </td><td> UWS, at St.Johns, at Conc WI(T), at Conc Wi(T) </td><td> 0-1-1 </td><td> T -at Adrian, L -at Adrian </td></tr> </table>

joecct
01-19-2014, 06:22 PM
What determines RNK? I think J&W will be ranked when the time comes. I also think Trinity may get in there.

PSUChamps2001
01-19-2014, 06:31 PM
What determines RNK? I think J&W will be ranked when the time comes. I also think Trinity may get in there.

Current ranked teams...I may go through with some other teams in a few...

PSUChamps2001
01-19-2014, 06:55 PM
What determines RNK? I think J&W will be ranked when the time comes. I also think Trinity may get in there.

Granted RNK is only 1-15 as we do not know. If certain teams move in and or move out could really affect those numbers as well...
<table> <tr><td> RNK </td><td> TEAM </td><td> RECORD </td><td> RNK TEAMS </td><td> BIG WINS / TIES vs RNK </td><td> LOSS / TIES vs UNRNK </td><td> LAST Wk </td><td> RESULT </td></tr>
<tr><td> 16 </td><td> TRINITY </td><td> 11-3-0 </td><td> 0-1-0 </td><td> NA </td><td> at AMH, Stonehill </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -Bow, W -Colby </td></tr>
<tr><td> 17 </td><td> HOBART </td><td> 8-4-4 </td><td> 3-2-1 </td><td> at UTC, UTC(T), WIL, PSU, </td><td> at WES, at NEC, NEU(T), NAZ(T), BRK(T) </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at CORT, W -Potsdam </td></tr>
<tr><td> 18 </td><td> NEC </td><td> 11-5-1 </td><td> 2-3-0 </td><td> at UMB, UMB </td><td> St.A's, at Wes, Fredonia(T) </td><td> 1-1-1 </td><td> T-Fred, L-Babson, W-UMB </td></tr>
<tr><td> 19 </td><td> BOWDOIN </td><td> 9-4-2 </td><td> 0-1-0 </td><td> ? </td><td> Colby, ConnColl, at Trin, Midd(T), Smain(T) </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> L-at Trin, W-at Wes </td></tr>
<tr><td> 20 </td><td> J&W </td><td> 13-3-0 </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> Williams </td><td> at Curry, Nichols </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at Pots, W -at Canton </td></tr>
<tr><td> 21 </td><td> AUGS </td><td> 9-5-1 </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> UWRF </td><td> at SJU, Conc WI, at Gust, GUST, Bethel(T) </td><td> 0-2-0 </td><td> L - at Gust, L -Gust </td></tr>
<tr><td> 22 </td><td> CONC WI </td><td> 8-6-3 </td><td> 0-6-2 </td><td> CSS(T), CSS(T) </td><td> Bethel(T) </td><td> 0-2-0 </td><td> L -SNC, L -at SNC </td></tr> </table>

ABerny2
01-19-2014, 07:07 PM
Have to look at some more data but here is a point of reference....
<table> <tr><td> Rnk </td><td> TEAM </td><td> RECORD </td><td> VsRNK </td><td> BIG WINS / TIES vs RNK </td><td> LOSS / TIES vs UNRNK </td><td> LstWk </td><td> RESULT </td></tr>
<tr><td> 1 </td><td> ADRIAN </td><td> 14-0-3 </td><td> 2-0-1 </td><td> at GEN, CSS, CSS(T) </td><td> at Marian (T), St.Olaf (T) </td><td> 1-0-1 </td><td> T - CSS, W - CSS </td></tr>
<tr><td> 2 </td><td> UWSP </td><td> 13-2-1 </td><td> 3-1-1 </td><td> at STU, at UWEC, at UWRF, SNC(T) </td><td> UW Stout </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> W -at UWRF, L -at UWRF </td></tr>
<tr><td> 3 </td><td> PLATTS </td><td> 14-2-2 </td><td> 2-1-1 </td><td> Gen, at Nor, at OSU(T) </td><td> Hobart, at Buff St(T) </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> W -at Nor, W -at Mid, L - at Will </td></tr>
<tr><td> 4 </td><td> SNC </td><td> 14-2-1 </td><td> 4-1-1 </td><td> UWEC, at UWEC, STU, at UWRF, UWSP (T) </td><td> Lawrence </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at Conc Wi, W -Conc Wi </td></tr>
<tr><td> 5 </td><td> NORWICH </td><td> 12-3-2 </td><td> 1-2-0 </td><td> at Babson </td><td> UWS, Midd(T), St.A's(T) </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> L -PSU, W - St.Mikes, W - Midd </td></tr>
<tr><td> 6 </td><td> UMB </td><td> 13-2-2 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> Norwich </td><td> NEC, at NEC, Castleton(T), Skid(T) </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> W -at St.A's, L -at NEC </td></tr>
<tr><td> 7 </td><td> OSU </td><td> 11-3-2 </td><td> 1-1-2 </td><td> at UTC, UTC(T), PSU(T) </td><td> Fred, at Elmira </td><td> 2-1-0 </td><td> W -Salve, W -Naz, L -at ELM </td></tr>
<tr><td> 8 </td><td> BABSON </td><td> 14-3-0 </td><td> 0-2-0 </td><td> ? </td><td> at UNE </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at NEC, W -at St.A's </td></tr>
<tr><td> 9 </td><td> STU </td><td> 10-3-2 </td><td> 1-3-0 </td><td> ? </td><td> St.Olaf(T), Conc MN(T) </td><td> 0-1-0 </td><td> L -at UWEC </td></tr>
<tr><td> 10 </td><td> UTICA </td><td> 10-3-3 </td><td> 0-1-1 </td><td> OSU(T) </td><td> HOB, Morrisville, Brk(T) </td><td> 0-0-1 </td><td> T -at Brockport </td></tr>
<tr><td> 11 </td><td> UWEC </td><td> 11-3-1 </td><td> 1-3-0 </td><td> St.Thomas </td><td> UWS(T) </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> W - St.Thomas </td></tr>
<tr><td> 12 </td><td> WILLIAMS </td><td> 10-2-2 </td><td> 1-0-0 </td><td> PSU </td><td> HOB, at J&W, at Hamilton(T) </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W - Manh, W - PSU </td></tr>
<tr><td> 13 </td><td> GENESEO </td><td> 12-3-0 </td><td> 1-2-0 </td><td> OSU </td><td> at Elmira </td><td> 2-0-0 </td><td> W -at Neum, W -at Neum </td></tr>
<tr><td> 14 </td><td> UWRF </td><td> 10-4-2 </td><td> 1-2-1 </td><td> UWSP, CSS(T) </td><td> at Augs, Conc Mn, Hamline(T) </td><td> 1-1-0 </td><td> L - UWSP, W - UWSP </td></tr>
<tr><td> 15 </td><td> CSS </td><td> 9-4-4 </td><td> 1-2-2 </td><td> SNC, UWRF(T), Adiran(T) </td><td> UWS, at St.Johns, at Conc WI(T), at Conc Wi(T) </td><td> 0-1-1 </td><td> T -at Adrian, L -at Adrian </td></tr> </table>


Missing WIL W over BAB

PSUChamps2001
01-19-2014, 07:15 PM
Missing WIL W over BAB

Thanks, fixed.

PSUChamps2001
01-20-2014, 01:16 PM
1 Adrian (16) 14- 0-3 292 1
2 St. Norbert ( 2) 14- 2-1 272 4
3 Wisconsin-Stevens Point ( 2) 13- 2-1 260 2
4 Plattsburgh 14- 2-2 247 3
5 Norwich 12- 3-2 205 5
6 Babson 14- 3-0 191 7
7 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 11- 3-1 184 8
8 Williams 10- 2-2 145 12
9 St. Thomas 10- 3-2 136 6
10 Utica 10- 3-3 101 9 11 Oswego
11- 3-2 94 10
12 Massachusetts-Boston 13- 2-2 85 11
13 Wisconsin-River Falls 10- 4-2 73 13
14 Geneseo 12- 3-0 51 14
15 St. Scholastica 9- 4-4 31 15
Others receiving votes: Trinity 15, Johnson and Wales 9, Gustavus Adolphus 5, New England College 4.

D3HKY
1 Adrian (17) 14-0-3 293 1
2 St. Norbert (3) 14-2-1 279 4
3 UW-Stevens Point 13-2-1 257 2
4 Plattsburgh State 14-2-2 237 3
5 Norwich 12-3-2 200 5
6 Babson 14-3 181 8
7 Williams 10-2-2 180 12
8 UW-Eau Claire 11-3-1 168 11
9 Mass-Boston 13-2-2 120 6
10 Oswego State 11-3-2 109 7
11 Utica 10-3-3 77 10
12 Geneseo State 12-3 76 13
13 UW-River Falls 10-4-2 75 14
14 St. Thomas 10-3-2 62 9
15 Trinity (Conn.) 11-3 33 NR
Dropped Out: St. Scholastica

Others receiving votes: St. Scholastica 21, Hobart 16, New England College 4, Johnson & Wales 2, Elmira 2, Amherst 1

admiral0417
01-20-2014, 02:26 PM
I honestly can't figure out Babson in these polls ?? Am I missing something?? I have them at 10-3 once you wash out the D2 games. And their top win is against unranked Amherst ?? I just don't get it. They have played two ranked teams (Norwich & Williams) and lost them both. I have nothing against the Beavers, I just don't see them in the top 10 at all.

Now, if they take two from Boston this weekend, then you could see their lofty ranking. But if I were fans of Williams, Oswego, Eau Claire, St. Thomas, etc.....I'd be asking the same question.

97osu
01-20-2014, 02:56 PM
I honestly can't figure out Babson in these polls ?? Am I missing something?? I have them at 10-3 once you wash out the D2 games. And their top win is against unranked Amherst ?? I just don't get it. They have played two ranked teams (Norwich & Williams) and lost them both. I have nothing against the Beavers, I just don't see them in the top 10 at all.

Now, if they take two from Boston this weekend, then you could see their lofty ranking. But if I were fans of Williams, Oswego, Eau Claire, St. Thomas, etc.....I'd be asking the same question.

It has to be their uniforms? Everyone loves those vintage style sweaters! ;)

LakerEagleLover
01-20-2014, 03:08 PM
I honestly can't figure out Babson in these polls ?? Am I missing something?? I have them at 10-3 once you wash out the D2 games. And their top win is against unranked Amherst ?? I just don't get it. They have played two ranked teams (Norwich & Williams) and lost them both. I have nothing against the Beavers, I just don't see them in the top 10 at all.

Now, if they take two from Boston this weekend, then you could see their lofty ranking. But if I were fans of Williams, Oswego, Eau Claire, St. Thomas, etc.....I'd be asking the same question.+1

PrezdeJohnson09
01-21-2014, 07:16 AM
I honestly can't figure out Babson in these polls ?? Am I missing something?? I have them at 10-3 once you wash out the D2 games. And their top win is against unranked Amherst ?? I just don't get it. They have played two ranked teams (Norwich & Williams) and lost them both. I have nothing against the Beavers, I just don't see them in the top 10 at all.

Now, if they take two from Boston this weekend, then you could see their lofty ranking. But if I were fans of Williams, Oswego, Eau Claire, St. Thomas, etc.....I'd be asking the same question.

Just to play devil's advocate...take out UMass-Boston's and Norwich's D2 games and their records take a hit as well.

Norwich's "best" win is over Babson who in your argument you don't understand is ranked so high. So then take out UMass-Boston's "best" win over Norwich and you've completely taking all three teams out of the discussion...

See how quickly that can escalate? ;)

Having seen all 3 teams play this year, I assure you that all 3 teams can be worthy of top 10 teams in the country. However, top 5? Idk I'm just under the impression the West is the best this year and everyone in the East sans maybe Plattsburgh is playing for 3rd place.

:)

PSUChamps2001
01-21-2014, 08:09 AM
Just to play devil's advocate...take out UMass-Boston's and Norwich's D2 games and their records take a hit as well.

Norwich's "best" win is over Babson who in your argument you don't understand is ranked so high. So then take out UMass-Boston's "best" win over Norwich and you've completely taking all three teams out of the discussion...

See how quickly that can escalate? ;)

Having seen all 3 teams play this year, I assure you that all 3 teams can be worthy of top 10 teams in the country. However, top 5? Idk I'm just under the impression the West is the best this year and everyone in the East sans maybe Plattsburgh is playing for 3rd place.

:)

Taking the KRACH top 16 Eastern Teams record vs Ranked Teams gives some explanation as long as my math is correct. Interesting to note Williams, Trinity, Amherst all have 4 games against ranked teams, with 2 of those games against each other. The next 4 teams out: Middlebury, Elmira, Neumann, Wesleyan could REALLY impact things for teams if they made their way in, especially for teams like Utica.
<table> <tr><td> RNK </TD><TD> TEAM </TD><TD> REC </TD><TD> VS RNK </TD><TD> RNK REMN </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 1 </TD><TD> WILLIAMS </TD><TD> 10-2-2 </TD><TD> 7-2-1 </TD><TD> 4 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 2 </TD><TD> PLATTSBURGH </TD><TD> 14-2-2 </TD><TD> 2-2-1 </TD><TD> 2 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 3 </TD><TD> TRINITY </TD><TD> 11-2-0 </TD><TD> 3-2-0 </TD><TD> 4 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 4 </TD><TD> BABSON </TD><TD> 10-3-0 </TD><TD> 4-2-0 </TD><TD> 3 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 5 </TD><TD> GENESEO </TD><TD> 11-3-0 </TD><TD> 2-1-0 </TD><TD> 2 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 6 </TD><TD> NORWICH </TD><TD> 10-3-1 </TD><TD> 3-2-0 </TD><TD> 3 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 7 </TD><TD> UMB </TD><TD> 9-2-2 </TD><TD> 2-2-0 </TD><TD> 3 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 8 </TD><TD> NEC </TD><TD> 10-4-1 </TD><TD> 3-3-0 </TD><TD> 1 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 9 </TD><TD> OSWEGO </TD><TD> 11-3-2 </TD><TD> 1-2-2 </TD><TD> 2 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 10 </TD><TD> UTICA </TD><TD> 10-3-3 </TD><TD> 2-2-2 </TD><TD> 2 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 11 </TD><TD> AMHERST </TD><TD> 8-5-0 </TD><TD> 1-5-0 </TD><TD> 4 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 12 </TD><TD> HOBART </TD><TD> 8-4-4 </TD><TD> 4-3-1 </TD><TD> 2 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 13 </TD><TD> BOWDOIN </TD><TD> 9-4-2 </TD><TD> 2-3-0 </TD><TD> 3 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 14 </TD><TD> JNW </TD><TD> 9-3-0 </TD><TD> 1-1-0 </TD><TD> 0 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 15 </TD><TD> COLBY </TD><TD> 8-5-3 </TD><TD> 2-3-1 </TD><TD> 3 </TD></TR>
<tr><td> 16 </TD><TD> MANHAT </TD><TD> 10-6-0 </TD><TD> 0-4-0 </TD><TD> 4 </TD></TR> </TABLE>

norm1909
01-21-2014, 08:22 AM
Just to play devil's advocate...take out UMass-Boston's and Norwich's D2 games and their records take a hit as well.

Norwich's "best" win is over Babson who in your argument you don't understand is ranked so high. So then take out UMass-Boston's "best" win over Norwich and you've completely taking all three teams out of the discussion...

See how quickly that can escalate? ;)

Having seen all 3 teams play this year, I assure you that all 3 teams can be worthy of top 10 teams in the country. However, top 5? Idk I'm just under the impression the West is the best this year and everyone in the East sans maybe Plattsburgh is playing for 3rd place.

:)

How many teams is the NC$$ willing to fly to Maine?

PrezdeJohnson09
01-21-2014, 08:31 AM
How many teams is the NC$$ willing to fly to Maine?

Based on how things are shaping out so far, I would hope atleast two.

norm1909
01-21-2014, 08:44 AM
Based on how things are shaping out so far, I would hope atleast two.

They have been known to create "less than ideal" play in situations in the past. :mad:

admiral0417
01-21-2014, 09:02 AM
I don't have much doubt that there will be two western teams in Maine this spring. It's deserved. I'm predicting two "one-and-in's" with SNC, Adrian, Stevens Point and St. Thomas involved. (note: St. Thomas had better get it together soon). I'll also say that even if Plattsburgh and Norwich don't win their tourneys....there's likely your remaining two Pool C's.....at least for now. Williams will have something to say about that, but I can see them losing a few NESCAC games coming in.

Plattsburgh and Norwich need to lose no more than 1 or 2 of their remaining games and get to their tournament finals and they should have enough juice to get in. Barring a '09 Neumann-like run, I don't see any ECAC West team beating out these two. Babson and Trinity are still hanging in there. Oswego and Geneseo have not gone away either. Great month of hockey coming up !

PSUChamps2001
01-21-2014, 10:38 AM
Once again, using KRACH and current standings I came up with the following
East
1 WILLIAMS
2 PLATTSBURGH
3 TRINITY
4 BABSON
5 GENESEO
6 NORWICH
7 UMB
8 NEC
9 OSWEGO
10 UTICA
11 AMHERST
12 HOBART
13 BOWDOIN
14 JNW
15 COLBY
16 MANHAT

West
1 ADRIAN
2 ST.NORBERT (would switch)
3 UW STEVENS POINT
4 UW EAU CLAIRE
5 ST.THOMAS
6 UW RIVER FALLS
7 GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS
8 ST.SCHOLASTICA


Pool A
ECAC E - Norwich
ECAC NE - Salve Regina
MASCAC - Westfield State
MIAC - Gustavus Adolphus
NCHA - St.Norbert (gave edge over Adrian with 2 Home games vs Adrian)
NESCAC - Williams (tied with Amherst but 2 games at hand)
SUNYAC - Plattsburgh

Pool B - UW Stevens Point (tho Point does not lead their league, it doesn't matter)
Pool C - (2)Adrian vs (1)Trinity
Pool C - (2)Trinity vs (1)UWEC
Pool C - (2)Babson vs (1)UWEC

First Round
Salve Regina at Babson
Norwich at Trinity
Westfield State at Plattsburgh

Quarterfinal
Gustavus Adolphus at St.Norbert
UW Stevens Point at Adrian
Salve/Babson at Williams
Norwich/Trinity vs/at Westfield/Plattsburgh