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  • #16
    Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

    Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
    I was under the impression that the CHL that was referenced was the Central Hockey League. Which wouldn't be younger players, but older players, that probably played NCAA or juniors and can't hack the NHL, AHL or even the ECHL.
    Yea, that is what I was referencing... The Central Hockey League... The pro league that is based around the Central US....
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    • #17
      Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

      I just want to thank everyone for the responses so far....I am learning a lot.

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      • #18
        Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

        The question was skill level…so size and strength get taken out of the equation. Please just take note of what the NTDP U18s just did to Michigan (#3 at the time) and what that truly means. The US u18s have lost several games to USHL teams already. In terms of skill, D1 is overrated….there are 60+ NCAA teams and only 16 USHL teams. What's harder to play? That said (yes, I know I'm not following directions):

        1. NHL
        2. AHL
        3. ECHL
        4. OHL
        5. WHL
        6. USHL
        7. NCAA D1
        8 QMJHL
        5. NCAA D3
        7. NAHL
        8. MSHSL

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        • #19
          Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

          The first five levels are simple: NHL, AHL, ECHL, CHL, NCAA D1. It's not absurd to argue the order of ECHL, CHL and NCAA D1 but that's generally the proper order.

          The order of the next three is debatable because there is wide variation in quality within each level, but the next three are USHL, NCAA D3, EJHL, probably in that order. The best USHL and EJHL teams would crush bottom-half NCAA D3 teams. But the top NCAA D3 teams would beat many USHL teams and probably all EJHL teams. So the order of these three depends on the metric you're using, though USHL probably comes out on top. After these comes ACHA, followed by NAHL and then all the top school-based leagues (prep schools, Minnesota, Massachusetts, etc.) as well as possibly some other junior leagues (I haven't kept up with recent changes in these leagues) and placing all these in order could be its own thread, though I would guess Minnesota comes out on top.
          Last edited by Meehan Popcorn Guy; 12-17-2013, 04:31 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

            Originally posted by Innova View Post
            I just want to thank everyone for the responses so far....I am learning a lot.
            What besides that we don't agree on much of anything?
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            • #21
              Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

              Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
              What besides that we don't agree on much of anything?
              Everyone had NHL first! Seriously, the discussion is what I was looking for when I started this thread....not the exact order.

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              • #22
                Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

                Originally posted by midwest hockey View Post
                The question was skill level…so size and strength get taken out of the equation. Please just take note of what the NTDP U18s just did to Michigan (#3 at the time) and what that truly means. The US u18s have lost several games to USHL teams already. In terms of skill, D1 is overrated….there are 60+ NCAA teams and only 16 USHL teams. What's harder to play? That said (yes, I know I'm not following directions):

                1. NHL
                2. AHL
                3. ECHL
                4. OHL
                5. WHL
                6. USHL
                7. NCAA D1
                8 QMJHL
                5. NCAA D3
                7. NAHL
                8. MSHSL
                My brain hurts

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                • #23
                  Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

                  Originally posted by midwest hockey View Post
                  The question was skill level…so size and strength get taken out of the equation. Please just take note of what the NTDP U18s just did to Michigan (#3 at the time) and what that truly means. The US u18s have lost several games to USHL teams already. In terms of skill, D1 is overrated….there are 60+ NCAA teams and only 16 USHL teams. What's harder to play? That said (yes, I know I'm not following directions):

                  1. NHL
                  2. AHL
                  3. ECHL
                  4. OHL
                  5. WHL
                  6. USHL
                  7. NCAA D1
                  8 QMJHL
                  5. NCAA D3
                  7. NAHL
                  8. MSHSL
                  Ah thanks...bbdl.

                  There is little question that the OHL and WHL (Canadian Hockey Leagues) are a step above the USHL. But they just have younger players than the NCAA and players that have moved to those leagues from the NCAAs have done well. This is what I was referring to...NCAA D1 is 3.5 on the above list.

                  Sorry about the Canadian diversion...I know its not in the question. Its just an important distinction that fans should understand.
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                  • #24
                    Re: General Question about US League Skill Levels

                    Originally posted by midwest hockey View Post
                    The question was skill level…so size and strength get taken out of the equation. Please just take note of what the NTDP U18s just did to Michigan (#3 at the time) and what that truly means. The US u18s have lost several games to USHL teams already. In terms of skill, D1 is overrated….there are 60+ NCAA teams and only 16 USHL teams. What's harder to play? That said (yes, I know I'm not following directions):

                    1. NHL
                    2. AHL
                    3. ECHL
                    4. OHL
                    5. WHL
                    6. USHL
                    7. NCAA D1
                    8 QMJHL
                    5. NCAA D3
                    7. NAHL
                    8. MSHSL
                    No way is the USHL higher up than NCAA D1, you are just flat out wrong.

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