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Chuck Murray
03-11-2014, 05:04 PM
Boston University Women's Basketball Coach Faces Bullying Accusations (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/boston-university-womens-basketball-coach-faces-bullying-accusations/story?id=22858477)

Bullying accusations continue against BU coach (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/08/women-basketball-coach-accused-bullying/TtKz57Gs9qXbvk1SBtIpuM/story.html)

Very interesting situation. Without drawing too many conclusions, I think the BU Women's Hoops situation (and likely the UNH Women's Hockey situation) really points out the pressure at the D-1 level for student-athletes AND their coaches to perform. Some of it comes with the territory; some of it no doubt arises from the scenario where these highly-recruited HS athletes move that next step up the competitive pyramid, and instead of being the "superstar" of their school/district/state, they are lumped in against every other "superstar" of every other school/district/state. And the simple fact of the matter is, not everyone is going to succeed when that happens. Some kids will rise to the challenge; many more will fall short. And of those who do not measure up to their past successes, some will be mature and realistic enough to know this was a possible outcome, and they will handle things just fine. Others won't be as well equipped, and to those kids, this can be devastating.

I guess what we are beginning to see more and more are concepts like "bullying" being injected into the discussion as far as how a coach handles his/her business. And with pressure on the coach to produce results on and/or off the field of play with their student-athletes, this "pushback" on the other side of the performance spectrum only makes their job more demanding.

But these coaches are big boys/girls and are usually pretty well-compensated, full-time professional coaches, so they should have the time to develop honest relationships with their players on what to expect when they arrive on campus and show up for their first practice. It's their JOB to do this. IF the coach oversells the athlete on their future role, without being 100% honest and telling them they'll have to compete for their playing time/role, then shame on the coach. But if the coach puts his/her cards on the table from the outset, and promises nothing other than a fair chance to compete, then it shifts those expectations. Frankly, if the recruit finds that unacceptable, and decides to go play for someone else who promises them the moon and the stars, you know what ... if I'm that coach, then I can live without that player. Very nicely actually, thank you.

I'm drawing more of this out of the BU situation than the UNH situation, as the media investigation of the circumstances at the BU Women's Hoops program is a lot more in-depth as to the players' situations. The media coverage of the UNH Women's Hockey situation has mostly steered clear of that in-depth handling. I have had folks share their insights with me, both pro and con, and I'm not comfortable putting those thoughts out there as mine - because they aren't. So all you are left to do is look at a stat sheet, and take that for what it's worth. And I'd be the biggest hypocrite on these boards if I were to come on here and draw conclusions about certain players in the UNH program based on stats alone.

It's interesting though that BU is taking some time with this situation, even though there was a prior history, and has not let Coach Greenberg go already. Granted, she is apparently at the end of her extended deal, so maybe they will just let it expire and move on to the hiring process for her replacement. Yet in the meantime in Durham, the UNH AD's offices (headed up our hero BS35) pulled the plug on a coach with NO past history, after an investigation that lasted a few days (2-3?), turned up no definitive video evidence, and apparently ignored the accounts of numerous players on the team.

I still say UNH is a case of "buyer's remorse", where an opportunity arose to quell the remorse, and here we are ... :(

Patman
03-12-2014, 12:53 AM
Exactly. UConn's rink is state of the art, doncha know?

http://maps.uconn.edu/m/info/FIF

Heh, that's funny... but, going offtopic from your idiot AD, UConn has a drawing workup for the Connecticut Ice Arena (I refuse to refer to an arena named after a man arrested for domestic violence)... the proposed new place looks pretty nice.

ClOuD 9
03-12-2014, 12:48 PM
Pretty sure Monday will mark the first time students have been on campus for St. Patrick's Day in the 2000's, and while I'm not expecting anything the size of UMass one has to assume there will at least be some arrests. Let's get some guesses in folks.

Felger
03-13-2014, 11:16 AM
Today's episode of "As the Field House Turns"

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140313/GJNEWS_01/140319643

UNH hires former state AG to probe delay in reporting
athletics misconduct: Fired staffer accused of taking
photos in men’s locker room

DURHAM — Former N.H. Attorney General Michael Delaney will lead an investigation into
alleged misconduct in the University of New Hampshire athletics department, officials
announced Wednesday.

Delaney, of the Manchester-based McLane Law Firm, will focus on the aftermath of a Jan. 20
incident in Burlington, Vt., in which former UNH basketball staffer Scott Weitzell was accused of
taking cell phone images of UNH players in the locker room.

In particular, the investigation will try to determine why it took a month for the locker room
incident to be reported to officials. UNH says it first learned of the incident on Feb. 20 and fired
Weitzell a few days later.

“Mr. Delaney and his colleagues will have full access to necessary resources and personnel to
ensure a thorough and timely investigation into the reporting delays,” UNH President Mark
Huddleston said in a statement Wednesday.

“Our students and their parents count on us to act swiftly and decisively when we learn of
misconduct. We, in turn, count on every member of our campus community to report any and all
forms of misconduct without delay,” he continued.

Weitzell, 50, of Newmarket, worked as the part-time UNH director of basketball operations for
12 years before he was fired last month. Before that, he was a longtime youth coach in
Newmarket schools.

Weitzell was accused of taking cell phone images of UNH players in the visiting locker room at
the University of Vermont on Jan. 20, according to UNH police. Authorities have not said where
exactly the images were taken or how Weitzell was caught.

UVM police said last week that they are considering misdemeanor voyeurism charges against
Weitzell in connection with the Jan. 20 incident.

Weitzell was arrested Feb. 21 at his home in Newmarket and charged with felony falsification
of evidence for allegedly trying to hide his cell phone as police conducted a search warrant. He
also was charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest in connection with that incident.

Additional charges are possible in New Hampshire, police said.

Chuck Murray
03-13-2014, 04:17 PM
Today's episode of "As the Field House Turns"

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140313/GJNEWS_01/140319643

UNH hires former state AG to probe delay in reporting
athletics misconduct: Fired staffer accused of taking
photos in men’s locker room

Hard to see this concluding without a scapegoat forced to walk the plank. Maybe rightfully so ... maybe not.

Without knowing anything other than public info, Coach Herrion and his staff are probably the prime target(s).

My guess is there will be a 75-80% chance we'll see a new UNH Men's Hoops staff in place next season.

As for BS35 ... his name is notable by its absence in this story. President Huddleston's involvement almost ensures that he's not a happy camper about all these developments and negative publicity over the last 90+ days (no kidding, eh?) and will want to be seen taking authoritative corrective action. I think the current AD's chances of remaining in this job past the summer are no better than 50-50, if that.

I think I said this before, but maybe it bears repeating ... at this point, BS35 is relying on the understanding and support of his superior in a tough situation. He was on the other side of the equation when Coach McCloskey's situation came up, and gave no support and precious little (if any) understanding of the Coach's side of things at the time. Ordinarily I'd feel badly for someone caught up in a series of "bad breaks", like this situation with the Men's Hoops team appears to be. But given the ruthless approach BS35 took with Coach McCloskey, it's hard to summon up too much sympathy for where the AD now finds himself. At least it is for me. JMHO.

DC78-82
03-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Hard to see this concluding without a scapegoat forced to walk the plank. Maybe rightfully so ... maybe not.

Without knowing anything other than public info, Coach Herrion and his staff are probably the prime target(s).

At least it is for me. JMHO.
"Must spread..."

Snively65
03-13-2014, 08:31 PM
When it rains, it pours, blue skies, or not.

wildcatdc
03-13-2014, 09:38 PM
Simple hypothetical...

If:

A. Herrion and staff did cover up the Weitzell situation, and it only came to Marty's attention when the player came forward.

AND

B. Coach M did commit the offense described by a couple of the here-and-gone posters below, and that offense is borne out with hard evidence.


If you're Prez Hudd, do you...

1. Fire Marty?

2. Retain Marty?

LTsatch
03-13-2014, 10:08 PM
Simple hypothetical...

If:

A. Herrion and staff did cover up the Weitzell situation, and it only came to Marty's attention when the player came forward.

AND

B. Coach M did commit the offense described by a couple of the here-and-gone posters below, and that offense is borne out with hard evidence.


If you're Prez Hudd, do you...

1. Fire Marty?

2. Retain Marty?

McCloskey is gone if he got physical as the player stated, the reasoning, anti bullying, the culture change in athletics that is trickling down from the biggest bully sport of all, the NFL. I am old school and from what I have read on this thread IMO Coach McCloskey should still be employed, but, the new school of personal space does not allow a person of trust or authority to place his hands on his charge in any manner which might be deemed threatening or worse. I had a discussion with my wife who is a middle school teacher about the McCloskey incident, her response was, "I am not allowed to hug a kid even if he/she approaches me for a hug, if I am attacked by a student my training tells me to get out of danger and report it to security" Not apples to apples, but even my wife who is no hockey fan said if he laid hands on her in an aggressive manner, he is gone because he is held to a higher standard even though in this case both parties were adults. Remember this answer is in response to the hypothetical question.

The Zlax45
03-14-2014, 12:05 AM
Marty is gone if he got physical as the player stated, the reasoning, anti bullying, the culture change in athletics that is trickling down from the biggest bully sport of all, the NFL. I am old school and from what I have read on this thread IMO Coach Scarano should still be employed, but, the new school of personal space does not allow a person of trust or authority to place his hands on his charge in any manner which might be deemed threatening or worse. I had a discussion with my wife who is a middle school teacher about the Scarano incident, her response was, "I am not allowed to hug a kid even if he/she approaches me for a hug, if I am attacked by a student my training tells me to get out of danger and report it to security" Not apples to apples, but even my wife who is no hockey fan said if he laid hands on her in an aggressive manner, he is gone because he is held to a higher standard even though in this case both parties were adults. Remember this answer is in response to the hypothetical question.

FYI, Scarano is the AD...not the coach.

ClOuD 9
03-14-2014, 12:16 AM
FYI, Scarano is the AD...not the coach.
"Forget it, he's rolling" (Animal House) ;)

LTsatch
03-14-2014, 12:50 AM
FYI, Scarano is the AD...not the coach.

I'll go back to CT now, I hope my point came across, I have no excuse! Not even beer goggles.

As to the hypothetical question, it is fire both coaches with a quiet monetary settlement, both lost control of a situation at some point should be held accountable. That "simple" is not so simple!

The Zlax45
03-14-2014, 01:42 AM
I'll go back to CT now, I hope my point came across, I have no excuse! Not even beer goggles.

As to the hypothetical question, it is fire both coaches with a quiet monetary settlement, both lost control of a situation at some point should be held accountable. That "simple" is not so simple!

It is confusing for people outside of the UNH bubble!

Snively65
03-14-2014, 07:57 AM
It is confusing for people outside of the UNH bubble!

Ok, here is a CliffsNotes Study Guide to this thread for outsiders (please make edits as necessary).

BS35 = "Blue Skies" UNH Athletics Director Marty Scarano (or $carano)

Coach M = fired UNH Women's Hockey Coach Brian McCloskey

Weitzel = fired part-time Director of UNH basketball operations Scott Weitzel (not to be confused with former UNH President Joan Leitzel)

Hudd = UNH President Mark Huddleston

Dick = legendary UNH Men's Hockey Coach Richard Umile

McDonnell = UNH football coach Sean McDonnell

Herrion = UNH men's basketball coach Bill Herrion

Barney Fife = Don Knotts, Andy Griffith's deputy in Mayberry

Chuck Murray
03-14-2014, 10:12 AM
Simple hypothetical...

If:

A. Herrion and staff did cover up the Weitzell situation, and it only came to Marty's attention when the player came forward.

AND

B. Coach M did commit the offense described by a couple of the here-and-gone posters below, and that offense is borne out with hard evidence.


If you're Prez Hudd, do you...

1. Fire Marty?

2. Retain Marty?

With all of those "ifs" ... IF they ALL fall in favor of the current AD, then he should be kept on board AND applauded for making the right call on both situations. But then again, IF Herrion and/or his staff DID cover things up (and obviously we don't know the answer to that question yet) ... why aren't they already gone?? :confused:

Huddleston's presence at the forefront of this investigation - and BS35's absence in the most recent press releases - does not bode well for the current AD. At the very least, it leads me to the conclusion his position is very much under review, depending upon the outcome of the former AG's investigation of the recent Men's Hoops incident.

Wondering out loud if the AG will also be asked to look into the handling of the McCloskey firing "while you're at it" etc.?

huesie
03-14-2014, 10:27 AM
BS35 aka Marty$$ job is safe after a secret memo detailing the fund raising activities BS35 has planned.

1. Bake sale on frat row with every purchase a free beer cup is awarded and admission to next kegger

2. Donation cups held by the Whittemore ushers when entering arena. No donation is too small (no Canadian coins please)

3. Guided tours of the Whittemore center and a close up view of all the banners $5 fee

4. State wide raffle "Spend a day with BS35 and AD legend" Suggested price $20.

5. Getting to sit in on an athletic department meeting "Priceless"

Chuck Murray
03-14-2014, 01:11 PM
4. State wide raffle "Spend a day with BS35 and AD legend" Suggested price $20.

Count me in. :) I'm admittedly in need of an attitude adjustment. "Blue Skies" may be just the remedy.

Unfortunately, other than me and a handful of other like-minded masochists, I suspect the funds to be raised from this part of the broad fundraising program huesie has outlined would probably only be enough to cover the cost of a brand-new paint job on the existing rockpile - oops, errrr, I meant "home grandstand".

... must be something in the water down newfields way ... :D

wildcatdc
03-14-2014, 02:23 PM
Wondering out loud if the AG will also be asked to look into the handling of the McCloskey firing "while you're at it" etc.?

Sounds like a DHOP or Nick's 2-for-1 special back in the day!!

zoofer
03-14-2014, 04:38 PM
Since we're active over here again, I reiterate my question about the Trustees....what is their role at the U, when do they do it and how definitive is their decision? This charade has got to be addressed and concluded!!

Chuck Murray
03-14-2014, 04:53 PM
Sounds like a DHOP or Nick's 2-for-1 special back in the day!!

Y'know, why not ... while the former AG is looking under rocks/into crevices, we might as well keep him busy, no?

It's not like the U didn't just write an enormous check to some NYC marketing firm to crank out a nondescript "modern" new logo, under the guise of "rebranding" or some other "strategic vision" foolishness.

Apparently the USNH budget isn't THAT tight these days. Considering that in the next 12 month budgetary period, the AD's budget center alone will be paying for:

(1) an already-dismissed Women's Hockey coach with a wrongful termination lawsuit;
(2) soon-to-be-dismissed Men's Hoops coach(es) with long years left on their contract(s);
(3) a civil plaintiff/Women's Hockey player with some far-fetched PTSD claims;
(4) perhaps some Men's Hoops players with creative civil claims of their own;
(5) defen$e attorney$' fee$ to defend tho$e likely expen$ive civil action$;
(6) a new-and-improved contract for Coach McDonnell via GrovelFest 2014; AND
(7) start-up costs associated with the *state-of-the-art* "Scarano Field @ West Stadium" project. :eek:

So we pay independent counsel a few extra dollars to expand the scope of the investigation. Big woop. Obviously, we are made of money these days at The U of NH. Oh, wait ...