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e.cat
02-07-2014, 07:50 AM
Czarry, you're the one saying that hockey carries the load but can't back it up. Im not digging into the numbers. You supposedly have already done that. You're lack of clarity on this tells me that this is just pure speculation on your part. If you can't back it up then don't put it out there would be my suggestion.

e.cat
02-07-2014, 07:51 AM
I find it hard to believe that hockey is making much if anything if they're giving tickets away for free!!

Czarry
02-07-2014, 07:55 AM
Sorry ecat....I'm wasting my time responding to you.......

e.cat
02-07-2014, 08:11 AM
Sorry ecat....I'm wasting my time responding to you.......


One other thing before you run away and hide. Umile himself told me that the 50/50 was hockey's biggest fund raiser. What does that bring in $10k, maybe $20k on a good year? That might buy a lot of jockstraps but not exactly carry the load for the rest of UNH athletics:eek: Carry on....

Czarry
02-07-2014, 08:15 AM
can't resist...just one more thing e.cat.....
I guess you don't play golf....
you really really are displaying how little you know....!!!!

wildcatdc
02-07-2014, 10:52 AM
ECat...I think it is widely known, and generally understood, that revenue from the hockey program supports a large percentage of the athletic department budget...It is the ONLY revenue producer at UNH....I'm sure their budget is available to the public and accessible for your scrutiny...If you want to dig the numbers out and make them available to everyone on this board, be my guest.....I have my own job and no time to do that...
Your statement of "I don't know any of this" says it all and is a telling commentary on your posts........And who ever said a public university should be held out to be a "for profit" organization? This football proposal comes down to making difficult choices....courageous choices....I question Marty Scarano's ability to make these choices....he certainly hasn't exemplified much courage, in any respect, during his tenure...

ONLY revenue producer? Sorry, Czarry, but any sport where a single ticket is purchased, for a single event, for a value of greater than zero dollars, produces REVENUE. If what you are implying is that hockey is the only program which produces a PROFIT, than that makes more sense. Even if it were the case (and I actually would not be surprised, if you consider such REVENUE sources as team apparel/etc.) - if this were your argument for the elimination of non-profitable programs, than it shows an absurdly astounding lack of knowledge on your part of how the financing of collegiate athletics works. This is the VERY BASIS of Title IX (however you come down on THAT argument, and I prefer not to go down that rat-hole).

Whether you're a Michigan, a Maine, an Amherst, or God forbid a BC, the PROFITS from one sport are almost always used to subsidize the ability to field multiple sports. In the land of big-time 1-A, that typically means that football carries the load. Here, if it's hockey, than so be it. That's the way it works.

Setting aside e.cat's for-profit/not-for-profit point (and I actually get what he's saying, as evidenced by my last paragraph), the challenge the athletic department has is to balance the desire to have the normal set of "sports offerings", if you will, with the economics of the situation at hand. I would tend to think that most rational D1-level schools would see a competitive football program being part of the sports offerings that comprise the typical college experience. Especially for a school whose team has delivered 10 STRAIGHT PLAYOFF SEASONS. Shut 'em down now? Yeah, real courageous. What that would show me (personal opinion here) is a complete lack of will to make big invetsments in a winning program, and make them work. THAT'S courage, and is representative of the types of investments that those in private industry have to make every day, and deliver upon.

Czarry
02-07-2014, 01:53 PM
Wildcatdc ... Yes, I should of said the major revenue producer and the only profit center.... Sorry..
Really didn't want to get into this football discussion anyway... The reason for me starting this thread (see my first post) in the first place, was solely to express my outrage to Scarano's handling of the McCloskey firing....would like to keep the debate on that subject...

Chuck Murray
02-07-2014, 01:59 PM
Wow, the whole West Stadium debate seems to have polarized opinion between our hockey-first and football-first factions. While I'm unquestionably in the hockey-first faction, I don't think there's any reason that IF the finances can be generated via fundraising without impacting adversely on tuition, there shouldn't be a commitment to upgrading the football facility. It is frankly beyond embarrassing to the school that the current facility is FAR worse than high school facilities in Portsmouth and Exeter (and I'm sure elsewhere across the state - I mention those two due to proximity to Durham). The proposed facility is NOT Gillette Stadium North, or even close. It should be do-able. But then that brings us back full-circle to the constant underlying subject of our thread ...


This football proposal comes down to making difficult choices....courageous choices....I question Marty Scarano's ability to make these choices....he certainly hasn't exemplified much courage, in any respect, during his tenure...

I couldn't agree more. During his tenure at UNH, it would be charitable to BS35 to say that overall, UNH athletics have been "treading water". Men's Hockey has gradually fallen from where they were before he arrived, and Men's Hoops is pretty much status quo - as in abjectly abysmal. Even Football ... while Coach McDonnell has enjoyed a superb run with his team over the last 10 years, recall (1) he was NOT hired by BS35, but by his predecessor, and (2) Coach Bowes before him also had a long run of successful teams, too.

I'm not going to get into the smaller sports, as the underlying assumption there is that - as good, bad or mediocre as they all may be - they are not adding to the "bottom line". And they exist in large part due to revenues generated by the revenue-generating sports, of which Hockey is probably the only one that runs a "profit" or even close. So the question to me becomes ... why then is UNH satisfied to rely on only Hockey to be the revenue-positive sport? Look around, the biggest lost opportunity in the entire Athletics Department without question is Basketball. Smaller rosters, low equipment costs, travel to schools generally much closer than the other sports ... that all makes Basketball a MUCH better prospect to generate revenue for the department and the school than does Football, with its huge rosters, high equipment AND medical costs, and the sheer expense of traveling with a huge entourage to far-away road games.

And the kicker for the Basketball situation is ... IF someone were to ever get the program(s) off the ground, the infrastructure for the growth of the program is already in place. Once the program(s) succeeds to bang out Lundholm Gym (something I've experienced only in the Drapeau/Alosa/Chapman years in the '90's) ... the Whittemore Center is already in place, and offers the opportunity to double or treble the capacity of Lundholm. I know that is "dreamland" right now ... but BS35 has had almost 15 years to fix the situation, and is no closer to doing so than he was the day he started. In fact, it's probably even further removed now than it was back then.

Bottom line, BS35 has been the face of UNH Athletics during a period when one word - "complacency" - can best describe what's been going on across the various high-profile athletic programs. "Courage" has been in extremely short supply, as shown when he had the chance to back his Women's Hockey coach, but took the coward's way out and dismissed him. His concept of "leadership" is apparently to bully volunteers, coaches, players and his remaining minions into remaining mum about their personal feelings on the situation.

If President Huddleston is indeed the "agent for change" I think he has a major obstacle currently sitting in the AD's chair ...

wildcatdc
02-07-2014, 02:10 PM
Just to be clear, Chuck, I'm hockey-first, by a LONG shot. Let's not generalize here.

My comments regarding Cowell/West come from a UNH-centric, not football-centric POV. That should be pretty obvious.... I don't think I've minced words here! :-)

wildcatdc
02-07-2014, 02:14 PM
And BTW, Chuck, I agree with your last statement. I do wonder what the Prez is thinking with regards to Scarano. He has executed a big decision or two in the human resources realm, so I know he's not afraid to pull the trigger when required. That stated, and in his defense, I've never taken him for a sports-centric administrator... He has tended to be a bit broader in his scope, and may not be as willing to drive that bus (perhaps to the detriment of the AD position, I will hand you that)

wildcatdc
02-07-2014, 02:16 PM
Wildcatdc ... Yes, I should of said the major revenue producer and the only profit center.... Sorry..
Really didn't want to get into this football discussion anyway... The reason for me starting this thread (see my first post) in the first place, was solely to express my outrage to Scarano's handling of the McCloskey firing....would like to keep the debate on that subject...

I'm fine going back to the original purpose of the thread as well! Interesting detour though! Perhaps exactly what the PR people wanted?!?! :-)

Chuck Murray
02-07-2014, 02:48 PM
Just to be clear, Chuck, I'm hockey-first, by a LONG shot. Let's not generalize here.

It was in reference to the Czarry (hockey) vs. e.cat (football) debate. :) And it really wasn't a criticism, either.

freak
02-07-2014, 04:07 PM
So...I received an interesting email from UNH PD this afternoon, regarding an investigation and search for potential witnesses to the incident that happened vs Ohio State.

Things that make you go, hmmm......

Chuck Murray
02-07-2014, 04:10 PM
So...I received an interesting email from UNH PD this afternoon, regarding an investigation and search for potential witnesses to the incident that happened vs Ohio State.

Things that make you go, hmmm......

Yup. :mad:

wildcatdc
02-07-2014, 04:46 PM
Yup. :mad:

She's pressing charges??

e.cat
02-07-2014, 05:17 PM
can't resist...just one more thing e.cat.....
I guess you don't play golf....
you really really are displaying how little you know....!!!!


You asked so I'll answer. Yes I play golf and I know the Friends Golf tournament is a good fundraiser. I'm just telling you what Umile told me personally about the 50/50. If you know better then put it out there. I realize you're a rookie here but you're having difficulty reading between the lines:eek: Obviously if any sport at UNH was to carry the load it would be Men's Hockey. You apparently think that which is fine. I could give a chit. You're just ****ed because your best friend Scarecrow fired Mac. I don't like it either but that doesn't mean you dump on the football team getting some love!

Chuck Murray
02-07-2014, 06:20 PM
You're just ****ed because your best friend Scarecrow fired Mac. I don't like it either but that doesn't mean you dump on the football team getting some love!

Maybe I'm missing something here ... but if Scarecrow = BS35 then I don't think Czarry considers him his "best friend". :eek: Anything but, actually. If I've misconstrued any of this, my apologies in advance to you both, and kindly resume the flamefest. :cool:

The Zlax45
02-07-2014, 06:38 PM
Wow, the whole West Stadium debate seems to have polarized opinion between our hockey-first and football-first factions. While I'm unquestionably in the hockey-first faction, I don't think there's any reason that IF the finances can be generated via fundraising without impacting adversely on tuition, there shouldn't be a commitment to upgrading the football facility. It is frankly beyond embarrassing to the school that the current facility is FAR worse than high school facilities in Portsmouth and Exeter (and I'm sure elsewhere across the state - I mention those two due to proximity to Durham). The proposed facility is NOT Gillette Stadium North, or even close. It should be do-able. But then that brings us back full-circle to the constant underlying subject of our thread ...



I couldn't agree more. During his tenure at UNH, it would be charitable to BS35 to say that overall, UNH athletics have been "treading water". Men's Hockey has gradually fallen from where they were before he arrived, and Men's Hoops is pretty much status quo - as in abjectly abysmal. Even Football ... while Coach McDonnell has enjoyed a superb run with his team over the last 10 years, recall (1) he was NOT hired by BS35, but by his predecessor, and (2) Coach Bowes before him also had a long run of successful teams, too.

I'm not going to get into the smaller sports, as the underlying assumption there is that - as good, bad or mediocre as they all may be - they are not adding to the "bottom line". And they exist in large part due to revenues generated by the revenue-generating sports, of which Hockey is probably the only one that runs a "profit" or even close. So the question to me becomes ... why then is UNH satisfied to rely on only Hockey to be the revenue-positive sport? Look around, the biggest lost opportunity in the entire Athletics Department without question is Basketball. Smaller rosters, low equipment costs, travel to schools generally much closer than the other sports ... that all makes Basketball a MUCH better prospect to generate revenue for the department and the school than does Football, with its huge rosters, high equipment AND medical costs, and the sheer expense of traveling with a huge entourage to far-away road games.

And the kicker for the Basketball situation is ... IF someone were to ever get the program(s) off the ground, the infrastructure for the growth of the program is already in place. Once the program(s) succeeds to bang out Lundholm Gym (something I've experienced only in the Drapeau/Alosa/Chapman years in the '90's) ... the Whittemore Center is already in place, and offers the opportunity to double or treble the capacity of Lundholm. I know that is "dreamland" right now ... but BS35 has had almost 15 years to fix the situation, and is no closer to doing so than he was the day he started. In fact, it's probably even further removed now than it was back then.

Bottom line, BS35 has been the face of UNH Athletics during a period when one word - "complacency" - can best describe what's been going on across the various high-profile athletic programs. "Courage" has been in extremely short supply, as shown when he had the chance to back his Women's Hockey coach, but took the coward's way out and dismissed him. His concept of "leadership" is apparently to bully volunteers, coaches, players and his remaining minions into remaining mum about their personal feelings on the situation.

If President Huddleston is indeed the "agent for change" I think he has a major obstacle currently sitting in the AD's chair ...

Chuck,

Exactly my point with regards to basketball at UNH. They should be shooting to play at the Whitt similar to how BU used to play games at HAA when they were in America East.

e.cat
02-07-2014, 06:55 PM
maybe i'm missing something here ... But if scarecrow = bs35 then i don't think czarry considers him his "best friend". :eek: Anything but, actually. If i've misconstrued any of this, my apologies in advance to you both, and kindly resume the flamefest. :cool:

roflmao:)

freak
02-07-2014, 09:38 PM
I took a quick look at attendance just for grins and low and behold Homecoming drew 18,412 (could this be a typo?) not sure but I was there and there were a lot of people in attendance. The Maine game drew 10,333. Colgate game drew over 8,000. The economics of the project itself I am not privy to. I would be interested to know the specifics but I don't think they have been made public. Some of the benefits of a new stadium like this are not quantifiable though. Obviously recruiting would benefit the football program but I bet it would help attract athletes from other sports as well. Would it also give a boost to alumni giving? Probably IMO. I do agree with you about scheduling other schools from the Ivy League and Patriot league to cut down travel costs but I think I would defer to Coach Mac on that;) When you talk about a new scoreboard for the Whit are referring to instant replay? We already have a center ice scoreboard.

UNH counts tickets sold, not actually those in attendance. And Homecoming should not even be considered, as close to half of tickets sold are to those only intending to tailgate, as a game ticket is required to get on Boulder Field.