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x1795x
11-18-2013, 09:38 PM
I am disappointed in th forum. How many weeks into the season are we and not a single thread trumpeting one conference's dominance over the others.[FN1]. To remedy this, I simulated the first-ever College Hockey Invitational. That is, I assumed each conference was a cross-country team, each school a runner, and each school's RPI rank this week was the order in which it finished the "race." I calculated each conferences' score accordingly. The results are bellow:


1) Hockey East (50)
2) ECAC (64)
3) B10 (77)
4) NCHC (92)
5) WCHA (98)
6) Atlantic Hockey (316)

Full results are here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqKguVyGTG8tdGVzVDNmZlZ6Rkt1ZFRQM3FqY2tUY lE&usp=sharing). [FN3]


For those unfamiliar, in cross country each team receives points equal to its first five runners' finish order. The team with the lowest score wins. (E.g., If team A's first five runners finish 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 and team B's first five finish 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, team A has 25 points and team B has 30 points; team A wins.). [FN2]



[FN1] I didn't search the forum; this may be false. If it is, I don't care.

[FN2] See generally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_country_running#Scoring.

[FN3] I am sure I made some mistakes; I am not an excel wizard. Feel free to point them out, and I will fix them.

BigAl
11-18-2013, 11:28 PM
I understand you want to grade it as a cross country meet but why not rank the entire league? It's flawed because the Big Ten only has 6 teams. So there score would naturally be lower cause your taking into account their second worst team's RPI. The best way to figure out what conference is best is to take each teams RPI in their respective conferences, add them all up, and divide by the number of teams in the conference. If you do that it comes out like this:

Big Ten: .5422
Hockey East: .5312
ECAC: .5163
NCHC: .5125
WCHA: .5121
Atlantic: .4077

LynahFan
11-19-2013, 09:18 AM
In other words the average RPI for each conference?

But that lets one strong team in a small conference skew the results the other way, blah, blah, blah... ;)

FreshFish
11-19-2013, 09:24 AM
I understand you want to grade it as a cross country meet but why not rank the entire league? It's flawed because the Big Ten only has 6 teams. So there score would naturally be lower cause your taking into account their second worst team's RPI. The best way to figure out what conference is best is to take each teams RPI in their respective conferences, add them all up, and divide by the number of teams in the conference.

Maybe you did this in your calculation and I missed it, but wouldn't you have to subtract the intra-conference games from RPI calculation first?



Also, you make a very good point about conference size and scoring a cross-country meet. In a cross-country meet, you count the top 7 finishers from each school; even though you only score the top 5. The other two runners, with a low-place finish, can make the other schools' scores higher.

In a dual meet, a perfect score is 15 - 50. One school takes the top 7 places, so that the other school's top 5 are 8 - 12 inclusive.

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 10:20 AM
Not to mention, if you're taking USCHO's RatingsPI, it doesn't even calculate it correctly. The weightings are done wrong, and there's nothing for quality wins.

BigAl
11-19-2013, 10:20 AM
Maybe you did this in your calculation and I missed it, but wouldn't you have to subtract the intra-conference games from RPI calculation first?



Also, you make a very good point about conference size and scoring a cross-country meet. In a cross-country meet, you count the top 7 finishers from each school; even though you only score the top 5. The other two runners, with a low-place finish, can make the other schools' scores higher.

In a dual meet, a perfect score is 15 - 50. One school takes the top 7 places, so that the other school's top 5 are 8 - 12 inclusive.

Didn't subtract the intra conference because that skews against the ECAC because the Ivy's play one or no non conference games up to this point