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brassbonanza
10-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Oh yes, I've heard about that...but you figured that they would get it sometime soon. Maybe DC or St. Paul will get it instead of a halfassed bid from Boston.

DC, I could see. I can't imagine them ending up in a spot deciding between Boston and St. Paul. If both bids are serious, there's no reason to not give it to both, perhaps giving St. Paul the 2018 FF since they were more recent in 2011.
2015 - Boston
2016 - Chicago
2017 - DC/Tampa
2018 - St. Paul

The Zlax45
10-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Brooklyn would be an abject disaster due to horrendous sightlines and that Barclays only 15K and change of seats. Were it built as a dual-sport arena with proper seating configuration and 18K or so for hockey, it'd be a great host site. That said, please no Buffalo or Columbus. The highlight event of the sport should not be held in (apologies to them) small-market cities. I'd love to see DC again, I can see them picking one of this and Tampa. Philly, too soon to revisit, and they haven't even gone through hosting yet, same with too soon on Pittsburgh. Chicago is an absolute must. Boston, St. Paul, Chicago, DC/Tampa pls.

Also, what happened to Nashville?

Isn't the Islanders moving to Brooklyn?

pgb-ohio
10-30-2013, 09:52 PM
It'd be a shame if they didn't bring it back to Boston. Chicago would make a great FF host city given its central location and accessibility, and abundance of sightseeing, lodging and food/drink establishments. Ditto w/ going back to D.C.

Brooklyn is an intriguing option simply b/c it's NYC, although it remains to be seen how the sightlines are once Barclays Center is configured for hockey upon the Islanders' move.

Boston, Chicago, D.C. and St. Paul would be my choices.That's a nice list. I'd be pleased with that group, or any of them individually. Like Priceless, I'm hoping we can get back to Tampa. But that's not to say that I'm rooting against any of the cities in your group of four.

A few words on Boston: IF, repeat IF, the NCAA and the TD Garden people can resolve their differences, then Boston is an easy first choice. But I'll believe it when I see it. Importantly, I believe that Boston should be subject to the same requirements as every other application. At the top of my personal list is the number of tickets in the public lottery. Further, those tickets should be in roughly comparable locations as those offered by the other aspiring hosts. That was most certainly not the case in 2004. No applicant should be "above the law," not even one of college hockey's hotbeds.



Anywhere but Columbus.:rolleyes: Sigh; here we go again. Apologies to longtime posters; I'll try not to go on too long this time.

Columbus is a great place to live. I didn't grow up here; I chose Columbus and am pleased with the choice. I didn't transplant from the East Coast, but I know many people who did. Invariably they say their quality of life improved considerably with the move, in terms of better housing, less commute time and other amenities. We simply aren't the rust belt community you imagine.

Further, Nationwide Arena, along with the Arena District, would be a perfect fit for a Frozen Four. Hotels, Restaurants, Pubs? They're not just within easy walking distance, they're immediately adjacent. The rink itself is state of the art, and built specifically for hockey. Prices here are relatively affordable, and Central Ohio is within reasonable driving distance of a good percentage of the college hockey world.

What we lack is a list of nationally famous tourist sites. Some, including locals, have called us the Anti-New York; meaning that it's a great place to live but you wouldn't want to visit. I accept that, and to a point embrace it. But I strongly believe that anyone can have a great four day weekend here if they come with an open mind.

Let me say this. For those who make the Frozen Four a full week vacation, I can understand why they'd prefer other cities on the list. If that's where you're coming from, I respect that. But for those coming mostly for the hockey, and looking to keep the trip relatively affordable, Nationwide Arena would be great.

I'm under no illusions here. I'm sure the Columbus bid is a long shot, and I don't really have a problem with that. I've had a great time in the more touristy destinations like DC and Tampa, and would be thrilled to go back to either city. At the same time, I do get discouraged when we have these conversations and so many seem to argue that the tourist angle is the only variable that matters.

Carmine Scarpaglia
10-30-2013, 09:57 PM
Can Tampa just win all 4 bids? Please!?

Seriously, Chicago needs to get one of these. And I'd like to go back to DC and Tampa.

Was hoping to see Nashville get in on the act as well but hopefully next time around. Would like to check that city out.

hockeyplayer1015
10-30-2013, 10:30 PM
For somewhat selfish reasons, and because they put on a successful event 2 years ago, I really hope Tampa gets one. Nice rink, great weather, and tons to do. Plus, being 35 minutes or so away would be nice :)

Chris_NH
10-30-2013, 10:54 PM
The problem with Boston ... balked (or so I've heard) at the NCAA requirements to have the ice and boards redone for the event.

Is there any compelling reason for them to re-do the boards & ice, or is it just the NCAA trying to flex some muscle?

mookie1995
10-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Wasn't Miami listed earlier?

where the panthers play is no where near miami proper. no thanks.

mookie1995
10-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Is there any compelling reason for them to re-do the boards & ice, or is it just the NCAA trying to flex some muscle?

it's in the ****ing requirements!!! if that isn't compelling enough don't put in a **** bid.

Carmine Scarpaglia
10-31-2013, 12:27 AM
Ripping up the ice is stupid. Which makes sense since the NCAA requires it and we all know how absurdly stupid the NCAA is. The new ice never sets well because it's done quickly and then gets overused with 4 practices Wednesday, 4 morning skates and 2 games (plus possible overtime) on Thursday, 2 practices on Friday, and 2 morning skates and 1 game on Saturday.

The ice is dreadful and chippy and I'm glad Boston told the NCAA to go pound sand in 2004 (where they were in the middle of a playoff series against the Canadiens, which a lot of people do not mention).

There I said it.

gscott13
10-31-2013, 12:31 AM
General Thoughts

TD Garden, Boston - From a hockey town standpoint, I think they get one of the bids. Use to live down there, so ultimately I would prefer to go elsewhere, but, it would certainly keep costs down for me

First Niagara Center, Buffalo, N.Y. - My first Frozen Four. Was done on the cheap and really didn't experience it the way I now do.

Barclays Center, Brooklyn, N.Y. - Meh. MSG or nothing.

Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia - Too soon.

Consol Energy Center, Pittsburgh - Had a good time in Pitt, but too soon.

Nationwide Arena, Columbus, Ohio - Tough one. Assuming Boston and Minny get one each, not in my top two for the others.

Verizon Center, Washington, D.C. - Lots to do. Ultimately would like to go back.

Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn. - Will likely get a bid. Had a good time.

United Center, Chicago - Chicago (and Nashville) are two cities that I was hoping to see a bid from. Would love to see it held here.

Tampa Bay Times Forum, Tampa, Fla. - Yes. Please. Hockey, Cigars and an abundance of scattered ***. What's not to like. Bonus, can park the wifey down in St. Pete with her parents while I go do my thing.

state of hockey
10-31-2013, 12:36 AM
Just rotate between St. Paul and Tampa from here on out.

I suppose you could throw NYC/Boston/DC/Chicago a bone every once and a great while, but those should be held on years Tampa would have had it. :)

brassbonanza
10-31-2013, 02:29 AM
Isn't the Islanders moving to Brooklyn?

Yes, and for some reason, they're excited to have their rink set up like this:
http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nhl/blog/061813_barclays.jpg

Like I said, this site would be a disaster for the FF, horrendous sight lines, 3,000 less seats than usual.

Ma#1ne Hky
10-31-2013, 03:38 AM
St.Paul/Boston/Chicago/Washington

COHockey
10-31-2013, 04:07 AM
No Boston. Please no Boston. Great city, great on ice play, horrid FF hosting. I am not joking if I said I would rather do Cincinnati or Anaheim again than Boston.

Surprised StL nor Denver bid or if they did, make the top 10. Actually, not surprised about Denver. Wouldn't faze me if I heard a Denver official asking the NC$$ for a kickback. City had nepotism under Webb, but things ran well and things got done. Now over the last two administrations I describe them as corrupt.

My picks are in order: 2015 Chicago, 2016 Columbus/Buffalo, 2017 Tampa, 2018 DC.

And please, no Boston.

Nick Papagiorgio
10-31-2013, 09:29 AM
I keep forgetting, what was so terrible about Boston again? World class city, walking city (no need for a car), restaurants everywhere (fresh seafood), bars everywhere , history, no shortage of things to do.

Yes I hate these types of cities. Let's go back Columbus so I can drink in the same bar in the hotel parking lot all weekend for 4 straight days and make one side trip to the zoo. But yea they had a Frozen Four sticker on the floor of the airport! Sounds good. Great. Grand.

Priceless
10-31-2013, 09:30 AM
I keep forgetting, what was so terrible about Boston again? World class city, walking city (no need for a car), restaurants everywhere, bars/restaurants everywhere (fresh seafood), history, no shortage of things to do.

Yes I hate these types of cities. Let's go back Columbus so I can drink in the same bar in the hotel parking lot all weekend for 4 straight days and make one side trip to the zoo. Sounds good. Great. Grand.
It's Boston. Everyone hates Boston.

Nick Papagiorgio
10-31-2013, 09:38 AM
It's Boston. Everyone hates Boston.

The people? Well yea, duh.

OK now I get it.

Steve_MN
10-31-2013, 10:03 AM
If Boston actually put in a bid that amounted to more than "We're Boston, you have to play here" for a change, I'd fully expect them to get one again. I'm guessing they may have figured out from the last couple of rounds that that kind of thing isn't going to fly, so hopefully lesson learned.

I'd love to see Chicago get one (and I think they very well might this round).

As has been pointed out, Pittsburgh and Philly are too soon. Hoping that they include Tampa again, I LOVED that trip (not the game outcome so much, but the trip was a blast) Also, Tampa was very well hosted and everyone I've heard/read talking about it just raved. Would be interested to see DC get one again as well, hopefully they will actually promote it this time. Columbus wasn't a BAD trip, but the arena location just didn't work out. Putting it at Nationwide would fix that.

Brooklyn could be interesting, but just too expensive. Buffalo... I just don't see it any more.

Given the ridiculously short notice, I'm thinking they'll take St. Paul for 2015, simply because they know very well that it'll get set up and run just fine on essentially no notice. Speaking with a couple people that talk to the NCAA committees, everything I've ever heard is how much the NCAA likes coming to St Paul.

So my predictions on who gets them (likely in this order):

St Paul
Boston (IF they actually put in a serious bid)
Chicago
Tampa

Wild-cards of Columbus and DC, especially if Boston or Chicago didn't put in serious bids.

Nick Papagiorgio
10-31-2013, 10:12 AM
I think and hope Boston puts in a not serious bid again. They can submit their bid on April 1st.


Dear NCAA,

Please award a Frozen Four to us.

Sincerely,

Greater Boston Convention and Visitors Bureau

ps - just kidding. You didn't think this was serious, did you? Hahaha. Got you again. Enjoy cow-tipping in Cowlumbus again. LULZ!

jmh
10-31-2013, 02:15 PM
Brooklyn could be interesting, but just too expensive. I'm not convinced it would be. There are hotels near the Barclays Center that are less expensive than what my group paid in Pittsburgh and will be paying in Philadelphia. (Though I don't know what the rates would be for an event weekend.) That's one advantage it does have over MSG. (There may not be many, but desire to host is certainly an important one.)