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SB in the 'Seo
10-29-2013, 07:49 AM
Came out yesterday afternoon - surprised no one beat me to this:

First place votes in parentheses.

1) Wisconsin - Eau Claire (12)
2) St. Norbert (2)
3) Norwich
4) Oswego
5) Plattsburgh
6) Utica (1)
7) Adrian
8) Bowdoin
9) Hobart
10) Babson
11) St. John's
12) Mass - Boston
13) Wisconsin - Stevens Point
14) Neumann
15) Williams

Others receiving votes: Middlebury 27, Gustavus Adolphus 24, Amherst 23, Milwaukee School of Engineering 18, St. Thomas 14, Manhattanville 11, Castleton 10, Wisconsin-River Falls 10, Geneseo 9, St. Scholastica 7, Buffalo State 4, Wentworth 3, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2, New England College 1, Wisconsin-Superior 1.


Personally, I am more in line with the D3hockey.com poll, but we'll get a better idea starting Friday. DROP THAT PUCK!

jerrynu26
10-29-2013, 08:24 AM
Plattsburgh should be a top three team, Norwich should be out of the top 5 to start the year.

PrezdeJohnson09
10-29-2013, 08:33 AM
Plattsburgh should be a top three team, Norwich should be out of the top 5 to start the year.

Agreed. Norwich lost a lot and hasn't proven anything yet. We'll see Friday...I also think Oswego is too high currently.

norm1909
10-29-2013, 08:35 AM
At least there is no evidence of western bias :rolleyes:

97osu
10-29-2013, 09:15 AM
Agreed. Norwich lost a lot and hasn't proven anything yet. We'll see Friday...I also think Oswego is too high currently.

I agree, this version of Oswego is too unknown yet to warrant top five. My pick would be Norbert, Plattsburgh, Utica, then everybody else

bakdraft21
10-29-2013, 10:11 AM
not to sure how Oswego can even be in the top 10,they have replaced nearly 75% of the team. i do hope they can get/be that high in the rankings when the regular season ends,but now??

LakerFan99
10-29-2013, 10:15 AM
Preseason polls, like all polls until the NCAA rankings come out, are useless. And this polls seems to be ranking teams based more on the end of last year than on the beginning of this year. The other poll seems to be a little more accurate with St. Norbert, Platty and Utica as the top 3. Oswego being #4 and ranked ahead of Utica is laughable. But someone should post this on the Utica board just for Fishman. :eek:

KnightsOfTheRound
10-29-2013, 11:37 AM
not to sure how Oswego can even be in the top 10,they have replaced nearly 75% of the team. i do hope they can get/be that high in the rankings when the regular season ends,but now??

Somebody at D3Hockey.com tossed Oswego a number one vote :p

97osu
10-29-2013, 12:01 PM
Somebody at D3Hockey.com tossed Oswego a number one vote :p

Doc did. Just to fuel the fire ;)

NorthernLite
10-29-2013, 12:07 PM
The initial USCHO Poll has always been more about honouring the high achievers from the previous season, so no need to find holes in their choices at this point.
This POLL will provide more than enough reason to scratch your head in the weeks to come.The traditional powers are rarely displaced quickly here.

I find the the D3 Hockey POLL has much less to do with history and more to do with results.

haulin oats
10-29-2013, 06:21 PM
The USCHO could at least make it look like they care when making this poll.
Last years champ ranked #1 followed by DIII's big four ranked #2-5.

Nice job USCHO. No really, great job, except that its not.

lincoln07
10-29-2013, 06:37 PM
Haven't western teams won 4 of the last 5 national championships? If the east wants to remove the western bias they need to show it in March.

admiral0417
10-29-2013, 07:58 PM
Actually....NO. The East has won two of the last 5. A much better historical reference would show the East has won 14 of the last 20. By that measure, the East has show plenty in March.

PSUChamps2001
10-29-2013, 08:01 PM
Haven't western teams won 4 of the last 5 national championships? If the east wants to remove the western bias they need to show it in March.

Absolutely. Just as the Eastern teams did for years. I do find it funny tho that we talk about results in March yet the West (ECAC) have 3 teams...tic

toto238
10-30-2013, 02:27 AM
Plattsburgh should be a top three team, Norwich should be out of the top 5 to start the year.

Plattsburgh has a lot of great talent on it this year, but a top 3 team? They didn't win their conference reg season title, they didn't win their conference championship, their record wasn't good enough last year to qualify for an at-large bid... I just don't see the body of work to justify a top 3 place for them. Do they have the potential to be top 3? Absolutely. They could win the d3 championship this season. But I wouldn't place them above WEC, Norbert, Adrian or Norwich. I'd probably put them around the same place I would put Utica and Hobart. Whether to place them above or below Oswego is tough because obviously Oswego accomplished a lot last season but replaced more than half the team. So do you go with the team that proved themselves last season but then lost 14 players? Or the team with a lot of potential that failed to prove themselves capable of winning when it really counted last season? I think both Oswego and Platty are top 10 teams and both have the potential to win the d3 championship this year. But both also have the potential to flop, fail, underperform, and barely scrape by the top 15. Honestly, I think both teams are placed too high in this poll and will really have to prove themselves early on to justify being that high up.

Fishman'81
10-30-2013, 04:40 AM
Came out yesterday afternoon - surprised no one beat me to this:

First place votes in parentheses.

1) Wisconsin - Eau Claire (12)
2) St. Norbert (2)
3) Norwich
4) Oswego
5) Plattsburgh
6) Utica (1)
7) Adrian
8) Bowdoin
9) Hobart
10) Babson
11) St. John's
12) Mass - Boston
13) Wisconsin - Stevens Point
14) Neumann
15) Williams

Others receiving votes: Middlebury 27, Gustavus Adolphus 24, Amherst 23, Milwaukee School of Engineering 18, St. Thomas 14, Manhattanville 11, Castleton 10, Wisconsin-River Falls 10, Geneseo 9, St. Scholastica 7, Buffalo State 4, Wentworth 3, Massachusetts-Dartmouth 2, New England College 1, Wisconsin-Superior 1.


Personally, I am more in line with the D3hockey.com poll, but we'll get a better idea starting Friday. DROP THAT PUCK!

Yeah, it's all about the results...

I was fortunate enough to have a long conversation with a successful D-1 coach a couple of years back, and he told me this about the polls: "Nobody cares about them; we usually have our ACs fill out the ballots. I tell mine to pick teams that were good last year and are returning most of their better players, then throw darts at the rest of it... And don't waste any productive time doing that, because it doesn't mean a thing."

LakerFan99
10-30-2013, 05:54 AM
Plattsburgh has a lot of great talent on it this year, but a top 3 team? They didn't win their conference reg season title, they didn't win their conference championship, their record wasn't good enough last year to qualify for an at-large bid... I just don't see the body of work to justify a top 3 place for them. Do they have the potential to be top 3? Absolutely. They could win the d3 championship this season. But I wouldn't place them above WEC, Norbert, Adrian or Norwich. I'd probably put them around the same place I would put Utica and Hobart. Whether to place them above or below Oswego is tough because obviously Oswego accomplished a lot last season but replaced more than half the team. So do you go with the team that proved themselves last season but then lost 14 players? Or the team with a lot of potential that failed to prove themselves capable of winning when it really counted last season? I think both Oswego and Platty are top 10 teams and both have the potential to win the d3 championship this year. But both also have the potential to flop, fail, underperform, and barely scrape by the top 15. Honestly, I think both teams are placed too high in this poll and will really have to prove themselves early on to justify being that high up.

Then you don't understand the point of a "preseason" poll. The poll isn't supposed to be based on what was accomplished last year. It's supposed to be based on the team's potential THIS year. Just as you said, does Platty have the potential to be a top 3 team? Absolutely. That's why they are top 3 in the other poll. Because THAT poll is more based on what the teams look like THIS year as opposed to what happened LAST year.

elbojpb
10-30-2013, 12:09 PM
D3 Hockey USCHO
1 St. Norbert (5) UW-Eau Claire (12)
2 Plattsburgh (5) St. Norbert (2)
3 Utica (2) Norwich
4 UW-Eau Claire (4) Oswego
5 Norwich (2) Plattsburgh
6 Adrian Utica (1)
7 Bowdoin (1) Adrian
8 Oswego (1) Bowdoin
9 Mass-Boston Hobart
10 Neumann Babson
11 Hobart St John's
12 Babson Mass-Boston
13 UW-Stevens Point UW-Stevens Point
14 St. John's Neumann
15 Middlebury Williams
The only substantive difference is the distribution of 1st place votes.

Now does someone wish to make the assertion that the ECAC/W and ECAC/E are the world's toughest leagues because they each got 3 teams ranked ... ?

norm1909
10-30-2013, 12:25 PM
D3 Hockey USCHO
1 St. Norbert (5) UW-Eau Claire (12)
2 Plattsburgh (5) St. Norbert (2)
3 Utica (2) Norwich
4 UW-Eau Claire (4) Oswego
5 Norwich (2) Plattsburgh
6 Adrian Utica (1)
7 Bowdoin (1) Adrian
8 Oswego (1) Bowdoin
9 Mass-Boston Hobart
10 Neumann Babson
11 Hobart St John's
12 Babson Mass-Boston
13 UW-Stevens Point UW-Stevens Point
14 St. John's Neumann
15 Middlebury Williams
The only substantive difference is the distribution of 1st place votes.

Now does someone wish to make the assertion that the ECAC/W and ECAC/E are the world's toughest leagues because they each got 3 teams ranked ... ?

The primary consistency factors are the coaching and returning players and historical performance, both polls appear to be plausible depending in the one's credence factors.

BTW, they each got 3 teams ranked because of the fishing hole desirability bias.

Hammer
10-30-2013, 12:32 PM
BTW, they each got 3 teams ranked because of the fishing hole desirability bias.

If so, Finlandia would open every season #1. Hell of a lot of ice fishing opportunities in a month or so.