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fanofhockey1
10-20-2013, 11:12 AM
I'm getting excited for this upcoming year and woke up this morning with not much to do. I started thinking about the ages of DIII players and wanted to somehow figure out the average age of each team. This really didn't take as long as I thought it would with the help of a website (www.eliteprospects.com). I realize that some teams don't have all the birth dates for every player so this isn't 100% accurate, but I feel like it is pretty darn close. Most teams have junior players filling out their rosters and all of their birth dates are on there. When a birthdate wasn't listed, it was most likely a younger player who came right out of High School or Prep School. I've listed the teams from the 2012-2013 season below from youngest in the country to oldest in the country. The ages are present day...so how old each player would be right now. If someone is 21 and 1 month and another player is 21 and 11 months, they are both counted as 21. Again, I realize this isn't 100% accurate but I think it's as close as we can get! It includes the DII schools as well. Would love to get some thoughts about it all...if it's what you expected, if you're surprised to see a team younger/older than you thought they were, etc.

My observations....3 out of the 4 teams that made it to Lake Placid last year are the oldest in the country (Utica, Oswego, Eau Claire). The 2 that made it to the finals were the 2 oldest. The 4th team, Norwich, was the 23rd youngest.

I expected Plattsburgh to be a lot older, but they came in as the 30th youngest. Not only do they seem like the team to beat this year, but they also seem loaded for a couple year run.

I'm a NESCAC follower and I expected most of the NESCACs to all be in the youngest 20 or so. I was surprised to see Williams (#31) and Amherst (#29) as old as they were compared to the other NESCACs...not compared to all the other teams of course. I was extremely surprised to see Middlebury as the 2nd youngest team in the entire country. Following them last year and reading some NESCAC blogs, Middlebury could be gearing up for another run in a year or two. I also expected Bowdoin (#16) to be a little older based on the size and speed of some of their players.

The average age of all DII/DIII teams is 21.54.

The difference in age between the youngest two schools (Stonehill 20.0 and Middlebury 20.23) and the oldest two schools (Eau Claire 22.75 and Oswego 22.95) is almost 3 years. Crazy when you think about it like that. If Oswego played Stonehill it would be like everyone on Oswego was 23 and everyone on Stonehill was 20. With a game roster of 21 players, that an extra 63 years of experience! 52.5 years of experience for the Middlebury vs. Eau Claire game.

The list is below...sorry about making such a long post...I wasn't sure how else to get it in here. Would love to get a good discussion going about it all!

Avg. Age Team
1 20 Stonehill
2 20.23 Middlebury
3 20.41 Nazareth
4 20.63 Southern New Hampshire
5 20.63 Suffold
6 20.63 Tufts
7 20.64 St. Johns
8 20.67 Trinity
9 20.7 Conn. College
10 20.77 Colby
11 20.8 Assumption
12 20.8 Babson
13 20.92 Concordia Univ.
14 20.95 Hamilton
15 20.95 Skidmore
16 21.05 Bowdoin
17 21.1 Wesleyan
18 21.11 Lawrence
19 21.14 Fitchberg
20 21.15 Hamline
21 21.15 Southern Maine
22 21.16 Salve Regina
23 21.2 Norwich
24 21.24 New England
25 21.26 Lake Forest
26 21.28 Nichols
27 21.3 St. Olaf
28 21.35 Umass Dartmouth
29 21.36 Amherst
30 21.38 SUNY Plattsburgh
31 21.38 Williams
32 21.4 Curry
33 21.4 SUNY Canton
34 21.42 SUNY Brockport
35 21.43 Morrisville State
36 21.43 Univ. of New England
37 21.45 Finalndia
38 21.5 Saint Anselm
39 21.53 Franklin Pierce
40 21.58 St. Michaels
41 21.59 Western New England
42 21.64 Bethel
43 21.65 Becker
44 21.65 Elmira
45 21.65 Umass Boston
46 21.69 St. Thomas
47 21.71 Johnson & Wales
48 21.71 Salem State
49 21.73 Concordia College
50 21.79 Worcester
51 21.83 Northland
52 21.86 Framingham
53 21.88 SUNY Geneseo
54 21.88 Wentworth
55 21.91 Gustavus Adolphus
56 21.91 SUNY Cortland
57 21.95 Augusburg
58 21.96 Castleton
59 22 SUNY Potsdam
60 22.04 Adrian
61 22.05 Hobart
62 22.07 Saint Mary's
63 22.12 Wis. Superior
64 22.17 Wis. Stevens Point
65 22.17 Westfield
66 22.19 Manhattanville
67 22.19 Marian
68 22.2 Wis. River Falls
69 22.21 SUNY Fredonia
70 22.24 Buffalo State
71 22.25 MSOE
72 22.26 St. Norbert
73 22.28 Neumann
74 22.36 St. Scholastica
75 22.36 Plymouth State
76 22.36 Wis. Stout
77 22.5 Utica
78 22.75 Wis. Eau Claire
79 22.95 SUNY Oswego

norm1909
10-20-2013, 11:28 AM
The average age of a US undergraduate is 21.3 years - 18.7 years at initial enrollment.

OSU2010
10-20-2013, 12:35 PM
I'm getting excited for this upcoming year and woke up this morning with not much to do. I started thinking about the ages of DIII players and wanted to somehow figure out the average age of each team. This really didn't take as long as I thought it would with the help of a website (www.eliteprospects.com). I realize that some teams don't have all the birth dates for every player so this isn't 100% accurate, but I feel like it is pretty darn close. Most teams have junior players filling out their rosters and all of their birth dates are on there. When a birthdate wasn't listed, it was most likely a younger player who came right out of High School or Prep School. I've listed the teams from the 2012-2013 season below from youngest in the country to oldest in the country. The ages are present day...so how old each player would be right now. If someone is 21 and 1 month and another player is 21 and 11 months, they are both counted as 21. Again, I realize this isn't 100% accurate but I think it's as close as we can get! It includes the DII schools as well. Would love to get some thoughts about it all...if it's what you expected, if you're surprised to see a team younger/older than you thought they were, etc.

My observations....3 out of the 4 teams that made it to Lake Placid last year are the oldest in the country (Utica, Oswego, Eau Claire). The 2 that made it to the finals were the 2 oldest. The 4th team, Norwich, was the 23rd youngest.

I expected Plattsburgh to be a lot older, but they came in as the 30th youngest. Not only do they seem like the team to beat this year, but they also seem loaded for a couple year run.

I'm a NESCAC follower and I expected most of the NESCACs to all be in the youngest 20 or so. I was surprised to see Williams (#31) and Amherst (#29) as old as they were compared to the other NESCACs...not compared to all the other teams of course. I was extremely surprised to see Middlebury as the 2nd youngest team in the entire country. Following them last year and reading some NESCAC blogs, Middlebury could be gearing up for another run in a year or two. I also expected Bowdoin (#16) to be a little older based on the size and speed of some of their players.

The average age of all DII/DIII teams is 21.54.

The difference in age between the youngest two schools (Stonehill 20.0 and Middlebury 20.23) and the oldest two schools (Eau Claire 22.75 and Oswego 22.95) is almost 3 years. Crazy when you think about it like that. If Oswego played Stonehill it would be like everyone on Oswego was 23 and everyone on Stonehill was 20. With a game roster of 21 players, that an extra 63 years of experience! 52.5 years of experience for the Middlebury vs. Eau Claire game.

The list is below...sorry about making such a long post...I wasn't sure how else to get it in here. Would love to get a good discussion going about it all!

Avg. Age Team
1 20 Stonehill
2 20.23 Middlebury
3 20.41 Nazareth
4 20.63 Southern New Hampshire
5 20.63 Suffold
6 20.63 Tufts
7 20.64 St. Johns
8 20.67 Trinity
9 20.7 Conn. College
10 20.77 Colby
11 20.8 Assumption
12 20.8 Babson
13 20.92 Concordia Univ.
14 20.95 Hamilton
15 20.95 Skidmore
16 21.05 Bowdoin
17 21.1 Wesleyan
18 21.11 Lawrence
19 21.14 Fitchberg
20 21.15 Hamline
21 21.15 Southern Maine
22 21.16 Salve Regina
23 21.2 Norwich
24 21.24 New England
25 21.26 Lake Forest
26 21.28 Nichols
27 21.3 St. Olaf
28 21.35 Umass Dartmouth
29 21.36 Amherst
30 21.38 SUNY Plattsburgh
31 21.38 Williams
32 21.4 Curry
33 21.4 SUNY Canton
34 21.42 SUNY Brockport
35 21.43 Morrisville State
36 21.43 Univ. of New England
37 21.45 Finalndia
38 21.5 Saint Anselm
39 21.53 Franklin Pierce
40 21.58 St. Michaels
41 21.59 Western New England
42 21.64 Bethel
43 21.65 Becker
44 21.65 Elmira
45 21.65 Umass Boston
46 21.69 St. Thomas
47 21.71 Johnson & Wales
48 21.71 Salem State
49 21.73 Concordia College
50 21.79 Worcester
51 21.83 Northland
52 21.86 Framingham
53 21.88 SUNY Geneseo
54 21.88 Wentworth
55 21.91 Gustavus Adolphus
56 21.91 SUNY Cortland
57 21.95 Augusburg
58 21.96 Castleton
59 22 SUNY Potsdam
60 22.04 Adrian
61 22.05 Hobart
62 22.07 Saint Mary's
63 22.12 Wis. Superior
64 22.17 Wis. Stevens Point
65 22.17 Westfield
66 22.19 Manhattanville
67 22.19 Marian
68 22.2 Wis. River Falls
69 22.21 SUNY Fredonia
70 22.24 Buffalo State
71 22.25 MSOE
72 22.26 St. Norbert
73 22.28 Neumann
74 22.36 St. Scholastica
75 22.36 Plymouth State
76 22.36 Wis. Stout
77 22.5 Utica
78 22.75 Wis. Eau Claire
79 22.95 SUNY Oswego

I expect Oswego's average age to drop like a stone this year

PSUChamps2001
10-20-2013, 12:47 PM
I expect Oswego's average age to drop like a stone this year

Correct. I think what needs to be done (now that he has most of the data) is find the average freshman age per school. Numbers like this are inflated when you have a senior heavy team like OSU and a freshman heavy team like Plattsburgh. The question that's raised is the average age of incoming players.

cosmo46
10-20-2013, 12:49 PM
Great discussion. Very interesting. From my casual observation I've noticed a lot of prep school players come right out of school and go straight to the NESCAC. A. Better students go to better schools. B. many prep school kids spend at least 1 extra year in school due to either repeating a year or pg'ing.

I would have, and still do think the age you post as average age would be the average age of a freshman entering school. Not the average age of the team. It seems to me most kids play a year, maybe 2 of juniors. Freshman would be 20.5 and seniors would be 24.5. Making the average around 22.5 depending on the distribution of class year(freshman through senior).

fanofhockey1
10-20-2013, 01:55 PM
Great discussion. Very interesting. From my casual observation I've noticed a lot of prep school players come right out of school and go straight to the NESCAC. A. Better students go to better schools. B. many prep school kids spend at least 1 extra year in school due to either repeating a year or pg'ing.

I would have, and still do think the age you post as average age would be the average age of a freshman entering school. Not the average age of the team. It seems to me most kids play a year, maybe 2 of juniors. Freshman would be 20.5 and seniors would be 24.5. Making the average around 22.5 depending on the distribution of class year(freshman through senior).

Using the NESCAC blog that list the incoming recruits, here are the current average age of the NESCAC recruiting classes. Middlebury has the youngest class of incoming recruits to go along with the 2nd youngest DII/DIII team last year. Hamilton, going with more junior products than prep school kids, is the oldest incoming group of freshmen. All in all, the NESCACs are all very close in terms of age. The average age of the conference as a whole is 19.549. Anyone else have any interests in doing their favorite league?

Middlebury - 19
Tufts - 19.375
Conn. College - 19.4
Williams - 19.4
Wesleyan - 19.625
Trinity - 19.64
Amherst - 19.6
Colby - 19.75
Bowdoin - 19.7
Hamilton - 20

The Real Georgia Peach
10-20-2013, 06:51 PM
Your initial methodology is flawed. A team heaavily loaded with upperclassmen will have a higher "average" age than a predominately freshman-sophmore team. If you expand your NESCAC incoming ages you would have something. Perhaps you won't have much to do tomorrow morning and you can expand this.:D

nescachockey
10-20-2013, 09:53 PM
The other question is how do D-III ages compare to D-I and as someone mentioned, you'd have to include some sort of variance factor that accounts for the makeup of the team by class year.

reggiedunlop
10-21-2013, 01:11 AM
Follow this thought further, what ist he average age of NCAA football, baseball, basketball players ( DI-DIII), who are not privileged to be paid...sorry...receive scholarships to play junior hockey (USHL, BCHL, NAHL, EJHL, AtJHL, etc.)? Why does the NCAA look past this for hockey?

joecct
10-21-2013, 09:33 AM
Follow this thought further, what ist he average age of NCAA football, baseball, basketball players ( DI-DIII), who are not privileged to be paid...sorry...receive scholarships to play junior hockey (USHL, BCHL, NAHL, EJHL, AtJHL, etc.)? Why does the NCAA look past this for hockey?

Speaking only for US Juniors
USHL - totally free to player
NAHL - player pays billeting only
the rest - player pays for it all.

The NCAA has no problem with any of this. What the NCAA WOULD have a problem with is some players paying and a select few not (unless it was income related)

cosmo46
10-21-2013, 12:11 PM
IMHO-addresses financial structure for u.s. junior hockey: http://oldtimehockeyfornow.blogspot.com/2013/10/chapter-37-on-to-junior-hockey.html

dreamer6
10-21-2013, 01:00 PM
Your initial methodology is flawed. A team heaavily loaded with upperclassmen will have a higher "average" age than a predominately freshman-sophmore team. If you expand your NESCAC incoming ages you would have something. Perhaps you won't have much to do tomorrow morning and you can expand this.:D

I was going to post the exact thing. Well, except for the last sentence...lol!

2freshedges
10-21-2013, 08:20 PM
Something that gets overlooked is when kids are recruited. if a kid is going for the dream of a D1 scholarship and playing in the USHL or the NAHL Coaches in D3 will hold off recuiting till the kid gets close to aging out. This is out of respect for the kid's dream. It appears that the Junior path has a longer tradition in the west, probably do to the NAHL and USHL are fairly close. What parent wants to shell out $4000. to $6000. a year for their kid to play in the EJHL, tougher choice than the NA or the USHL. What coach wouldn't want an older, more mature kid to Coach?

nescachockey
10-21-2013, 10:53 PM
Something that gets overlooked is when kids are recruited. if a kid is going for the dream of a D1 scholarship and playing in the USHL or the NAHL Coaches in D3 will hold off recuiting till the kid gets close to aging out. This is out of respect for the kid's dream. It appears that the Junior path has a longer tradition in the west, probably do to the NAHL and USHL are fairly close. What parent wants to shell out $4000. to $6000. a year for their kid to play in the EJHL, tougher choice than the NA or the USHL. What coach wouldn't want an older, more mature kid to Coach?

They certainly recruit the older players but apparently they aren't that happy with the trend. At Parker's BU retirement presser he mentioned complaining about the age of current players with his former player, longtime Bowdoin coach Terry Meagher.

LakerEagleLover
10-22-2013, 12:10 AM
They certainly recruit the older players but apparently they aren't that happy with the trend. At Parker's BU retirement presser he mentioned complaining about the age of current players with his former player, longtime Bowdoin coach Terry Meagher. Parker spent a lifetime turning boys into men, so its understandable he wished it could have stayed that way...parents today fueling their kids chasing a dream until they are no longer kids...:confused: