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  • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

    Originally posted by e.cat View Post
    I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
    I think we can agree on that much. And I agree 100% with freak. Getting the goalie to move is always the key, and the ability to move effectively is what sets the truly elite goalies apart. There have been an awful lot of good-but-not-great goalies playing for the top HE programs in recent years, whose stats have benefitted from having top-notch talent playing in front of them, which minimizes quality chances AND the necessary puck movement required by the opposition to force them to move.

    Look no further than the 2006-2007 HE season, when BU had HE Player of the Year John Curry between the pipes, also earning First Team All-HE honors with two HE First Team defensemen (Sullivan and Gilroy) and two future NHL'ers (Gryba and Strait) manning the blue line. In the meantime, soph Jonathan Quick earned Second Team All-HE honors on a UMass Amherst team with only a very young Justin Braun (frosh) and eventual NHL'er Michael Kostka of note in front of him. It was pretty apparent (to me anyway) that Quick was the more talented of the two, but he had to wait a couple of years after he left college hockey to get his overdue recognition.

    Since then, Curry (who unlike Quick was not drafted) has floundered mostly between the AHL and ECHL, albeit he did make 4 emergency appearances in Pittsburgh relatively early in his career. Guys like Millan (BU), Muse (BC), and Milner (BC) all collected some great honors at the college level, but are all floundering in the minors, with very little likelihood of getting beyond that level. They all benefitted from having tremendous blue line talent playing regularly in front of them.

    Guys like Gillies and Hellebuyck are NHL drafted goalies, so someone has seen the raw talent (including movement) in their skill sets. Neither PC nor UML play wide-open hockey (although I suspect PC will migrate there as their younger players mature), but my thought is that if you want to just put traffic in front of them and throw pucks at the net from the perimeter, you are probably just playing right into their hands. IF you can get either of these teams to open up a little - and getting the first goal/holding the lead help that a lot - then your forwards should enjoy more open ice in the attacking zone, allowing them to pass and in doing so, moving the opposing goalie.

    It will be VERY interesting to see if UNH can force PC out of its comfort zone. They weren't able to do it to UMass Lowell a few weekends ago. But even if they can force PC into a more open game, I suspect the Friars can handle that adjustment better than UML can. PC proved to be a tough match-up for UNH last season, and they are only going to get better this season (barring key injuries). Frankly, I'll be happy if UNH can get anything out of this weekend's games. But as always, I'd be very happy to be pleasantly surprised should UNH emerge with 2 or more points this weekend on the road. JMHO.
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    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

      Originally posted by The Zlax45 View Post
      For UNH to beat PC, they have to score more goals than the Friars!

      Getting traffic in front of Gillies this year has been very tough ask Merrimack and Vermont how that worked.
      What he said

      Originally posted by CarlS View Post
      Okay, not that I want to get in on this stats debate as I believe the only one that matters is which team scored the most in the game, but ... a link from Joe Haggerty on CSNNE regarding Tuukka Rask, the Bruins and quality shots:

      * An interesting look at shot quality, and how that factors into a side-by-side evaluation of goaltenders Tuukka Rask and Carey Price. While some see this as groundbreaking, I see this as kind of obvious. Bruins goalies have always put up good numbers in large part because of Claude Julien’s system that keeps the puck away from the slot area at all costs -http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shot-quality-reveals-rasks-true-value/

      Chuck - if we are lucky maybe they will start applying the stats analytics to bands/concerts - might be good for Rush, maybe not so much for the Dead
      Gotta love Joe Hags

      Originally posted by freak View Post
      To me, more than anything, they need to make Gillies move. He reminds of the male version of Molly Schaus (excellent, former BC goalie). The women's team always had trouble with her, except on the occasions that they forced her to move side to side, things opened up and the goals came. Gillies appears much the same to me.
      Absolutely. Good point

      Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
      Not sure if you got the memo or not, Jacques ... apparently there is a "new generation" of enlightened numbers-crunchers who are looking to "evolve" hockey like they've apparently "evolved" baseball. I suppose that means we can look forward to fat guys in pajamas (FGIP) dumping in pucks to the opposing goalie to increase SOG and offensive zone face-offs, then calling in your attack zone face-off specialist (AZFOS) for the subsequent draws, while a guy with heavy accurate shots (GHAS) back at the point loads up, and the aforementioned FGIP's jam in front of the opposing goal to create screens and deflections, and maybe a few more ticks on the SOG chart. This in turn will no doubt cause the opposition's starting goalie (SG) to gradually tire over the course of the game when the shot count piles up, forcing the opposing coach to bring in the set-up goalie (SUG) before finally turning to the "closer" (CG) for the final 5 minutes.

      Now of course, if in this brave new world of FGIP, AZFOS, GHAS and SUG ... should you lose the offensive zone draw even 31.418% of the time, then your various specialists are stranded out on the ice against these anachronistic two-way energy revving players (TWERP) who will rack up their odd-man intense goal/offense data (OMIGOD) against your own goalie, who hopefully is a specialist himself at making the big saves (BS), and can keep his team within two goals, lest they cross the "Corsi threshold" and become incapable of outshooting the opposition any longer. "Cuz I think at that point the SOG data indicates they are doomed, and pretty much SOL.

      Or something like that anyway.
      I have to admit this is pretty funny Chuck

      Just to add to the levity I thought it would be fun to do a top "Top Ten Reasons SOG is Meaningful". I'll start!

      TOP TEN REASONS SOG ARE MEANINGFUL:

      10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!

      9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG go in!!

      8.

      7.

      6.

      5.

      4.

      3.

      2.

      1.

      Feel free to add to the list at will.
      Last edited by e.cat; 11-22-2013, 08:10 AM.
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      • Originally posted by Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau View Post
        SOG describes the game, similar to saying the Flyers wore orange and the Bruins wore white or that there were 17,380 fans in the building descibe the game. All of that lets people who weren't there get a sense of how the game went and what it looked like. But that's it. To think there is ANY greater analytical value in SOG shows a foolish lack of hockey experience. Teams get outshot and win, teams get outshot and lose. One night you outshoot the other team the next night they outshoot you. None of that tells you anything that the score doesn't tell you much more clearly and accurately.
        SOG is a red herring; it is all about FOW (face off wins).

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        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

          I know this is a total fantasy and don't expect this to actually happen but wouldn't it be cool though to see something like this happen.
          I was bored and had some spare time so I came up with this new rink idea.
          I know I'm dreaming but it's still fun to imagine sometimes....

          If UNH were to build a second sheet of ice/ arena behind the Whitt.
          The new arena would be NHL size and it could become the home arena for the women's team.(Like some schools have been doing)
          The two buildings would be connected so the two programs could share resources and the men's team would be able to practice on
          the big sheet or the NHL size depending on where they are playing that weekend.(Like Minnesota does)
          The Whitt would get some additions/ renovated. Particularly underneath with new locker rooms, offices, trainers room, workout room, players lounge
          and equipment room.

          I love the Whitt and I know it's nice and has everything players 'need' but it'd be cool to have all these 'wants' like these crazy, wicked nice
          college rinks that have been being built recently. Maybe get that jumbo-tron too

          I let my imagination run wild and it's something kinda cool to think about.


          1:
          *******http://s10.postimg.org/irljsmxcp/new_whitt2.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/qsc5p4zap/new_whitt4.jpg********


          2:
          *******http://s23.postimg.org/fgos5n9sr/whitt2_3.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/ncjzs1pkh/whitt2_4.jpg********


          Now we just need like a 50 million dollar donation. ha.

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          • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

            We need a Jumbotron to record FOW.

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            • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

              Originally posted by Ryan422 View Post
              I know this is a total fantasy and don't expect this to actually happen but wouldn't it be cool though to see something like this happen.
              I was bored and had some spare time so I came up with this new rink idea.
              I know I'm dreaming but it's still fun to imagine sometimes....

              If UNH were to build a second sheet of ice/ arena behind the Whitt.
              The new arena would be NHL size and it could become the home arena for the women's team.(Like some schools have been doing)
              The two buildings would be connected so the two programs could share resources and the men's team would be able to practice on
              the big sheet or the NHL size depending on where they are playing that weekend.(Like Minnesota does)
              The Whitt would get some additions/ renovated. Particularly underneath with new locker rooms, offices, trainers room, workout room, players lounge
              and equipment room.

              I love the Whitt and I know it's nice and has everything players 'need' but it'd be cool to have all these 'wants' like these crazy, wicked nice
              college rinks that have been being built recently. Maybe get that jumbo-tron too

              I let my imagination run wild and it's something kinda cool to think about.


              1:
              *******http://s10.postimg.org/irljsmxcp/new_whitt2.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/qsc5p4zap/new_whitt4.jpg********


              2:
              *******http://s23.postimg.org/fgos5n9sr/whitt2_3.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/ncjzs1pkh/whitt2_4.jpg********


              Now we just need like a 50 million dollar donation. ha.
              Merrimack has two rinks now....and same with UMass. I think they should have a practice rink which would be perfect for rentals and become a money maker for the university as they rent it out!
              Yes I am the former member known as Zlax45

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              • Originally posted by The Zlax45 View Post
                Merrimack has two rinks now....and same with UMass. I think they should have a practice rink which would be perfect for rentals and become a money maker for the university as they rent it out!
                Why does the men's team need a practice rink? Other than the women's team and the occasional public skate the rink isn't used. It's not like we have a relevant basketball team or anything and the men's and women's team don't have a problem sharing the ice. If UNH had that money it could be used else where.
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                • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                  Here's a new one to add to the list;!

                  TOP TEN REASONS SOG ARE MEANINGFUL:

                  10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!

                  9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG
                  go in!!

                  8. SOG “Describe a game”!

                  7.

                  6.

                  5.

                  4.

                  3.

                  2.

                  1.

                  Feel free to add to the list at will.
                  UNH Hockey: You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

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                  • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                    Originally posted by UNHhockey29 View Post
                    Why does the men's team need a practice rink? Other than the women's team and the occasional public skate the rink isn't used. It's not like we have a relevant basketball team or anything and the men's and women's team don't have a problem sharing the ice. If UNH had that money it could be used else where.
                    Agreed. It would be cool if money were no object ... but of course it is, and there are other more pressing needs on campus. Even keeping the funds within the AD's budget, there is that small but festering issue of the so-called football "stadium".

                    BTW do the Men's and Women's team ever use the Jackson's Landing rink across town? I know they used to use Dover Arena and The Rinks at Exeter at times in the past ... and all three of those have standard NHL-sized sheets.
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                    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                      TOP TEN REASONS SOG ARE MEANINGFUL:

                      10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!

                      9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG
                      go in!!

                      8. SOG “Describe a game”!

                      7. It keeps roaming bands of rabid, unemployed statisticians off the streets

                      6.

                      5.

                      4.

                      3.

                      2.

                      1.
                      Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
                      Montreal Expos Forever ...

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                      • Originally posted by UNHhockey29 View Post
                        Why does the men's team need a practice rink? Other than the women's team and the occasional public skate the rink isn't used. It's not like we have a relevant basketball team or anything and the men's and women's team don't have a problem sharing the ice. If UNH had that money it could be used else where.
                        Merrimack has less teams and events at the rink...why do they have two!
                        Yes I am the former member known as Zlax45

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                        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                          10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!

                          9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG
                          go in!!

                          8. SOG “Describe a game”!

                          7. It keeps roaming bands of rabid, unemployed statisticians off the streets[/B]

                          6. SOG relevance discussions keep otherwise imbecilic UHN fans preoccupied.

                          5.

                          4.

                          3.

                          2.

                          1.
                          sure why not

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                          • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                            Originally posted by UNHhockey29 View Post
                            Other than the women's team and the occasional public skate the rink isn't used. It's not like we have a relevant basketball team or anything .

                            The rink gets used by club teams, intramural games, high school games and stick and puck. Its still not a ton of use or demand with other rinks in the area but it gets used more than you think. Still, a second rink is not a need. More of a la-la land want I'd imagine with the budget and other areas of concern at UNH.
                            And hey the basketball team only lost by 5 to Marquette last night. haha.

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                            • Originally posted by Ryan422 View Post
                              The rink gets used by club teams, intramural games, high school games and stick and puck. Its still not a ton of use or demand with other rinks in the area but it gets used more than you think. Still, a second rink is not a need. More of a la-la land want I'd imagine with the budget and other areas of concern at UNH.
                              And hey the basketball team only lost by 5 to Marquette last night. haha.
                              Kinda of embarrassing that the men's hoop team only drew a total of 4k all of last season and the coach had his contract renewed

                              Major issues with that athletic department including hockey which isn't selling out like they did during my unh days
                              Yes I am the former member known as Zlax45

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                              • Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

                                Anyone familiar with Friars All Access TV? Thanks.
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