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Koho
02-02-2014, 09:57 AM
Looking at the stats, I see one guy (Warning) in the top 50 in the country for scoring, yet this team is in first...

5mn_Major
02-02-2014, 11:27 AM
Cammarata is getting better. Totally understandable as a frosh. Tough sledding for the guy due to size, expectations, and surprises such as Kloos and Fasching. Just keep playing him...he will get stronger every day and still what will probably be another solid 3 years as a Gopher.

Early flight risks are Skjei, Reilly and possibly Ambroz.


Looking at the stats, I see one guy (Warning) in the top 50 in the country for scoring, yet this team is in first...

This as the fourth leading scoring team in the country. This is possible primarly due to the load our defense carries in scoring. We have the defense corp with the most points in the country by a decent margin.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-02-2014, 12:02 PM
This as the fourth leading scoring team in the country. This is possible primarly due to the load our defense carries in scoring. We have the defense corp with the most points in the country by a decent margin.

I haven't looked around the country but it seems your D's 67pts/26gp vs. the Badger D's 61pts/24gp comes out to .03 pts./game difference. Not much of a margin, really.

However your point is probably correct, as the Badgers are 10th in offense with only Mersch and Zengerle tied for 48th in points in the top 50.

mnstate0fhockey
02-02-2014, 12:08 PM
I haven't looked around the country but it seems your D's 67pts/26gp vs. the Badger D's 61pts/24gp comes out to .03 pts./game difference. Not much of a margin, really.

However your point is probably correct, as the Badgers are 10th in offense with only Mersch and Zengerle tied for 48th in points in the top 50.


What I think he meant is look at goals scored by D corps. The Gophers are a top 4 scoring team much to the thanks of the scoring prowess of their D corps, which has scored more goals than any other team in the nation by a wide margin I believe.

They don't rank scoring offenses by points scored, but by goals scored.

mnstate0fhockey
02-02-2014, 12:37 PM
The Gopher men's and women's teams are a combined 45-3-6 this season.

That's remarkable. Just three losses all season by the programs combined.

Koho
02-02-2014, 12:49 PM
Early flight risks are Skjei, Reilly and possibly Ambroz.



I wouldn't be surprised at Fasching, although very depressed if it happened. He is already stronger than a lot of college players and does so many little things well. Would love to see him stay three. And there are often guys who go who you don't expect. Not to mention, guys like Rau are a risk, because there is added incentive for the team that owns their rights to take them as Juniors so they don't risk losing them.

Not that I really want to worry about this yet.

And I think Cammaratta has a shot at being a 4 year guy given his size, and he has the potential to develop into a special player in that time.

Koho
02-02-2014, 12:51 PM
The Gopher men's and women's teams are a combined 45-3-6 this season.

That's remarkable. Just three losses all season by the programs combined.

The women not only have a loss, but also a tie? Slackers. I suppose they'll use some lame excuse like one of their best players is playing in the Olympics, or something.

mnstate0fhockey
02-02-2014, 12:57 PM
The women not only have a loss, but also a tie? Slackers. I suppose they'll use some lame excuse like one of their best players is playing in the Olympics, or something.

Yeah, they really need to pick up their play :p:)

Koho
02-02-2014, 11:45 PM
Thursday game, and no thread?

Koho
02-03-2014, 09:00 AM
As a life long believer that top to bottom HE is the best college hockey in the nation, the addition of N.D this season is proving my theory correct. If this program had been born into HE at inception, they would be relegated to no better than a likely annual 5th or 6th place team year in and year out. I mean BU sucks this year, but in a normal hockey east year, I only see the Irish as slightly better than let's say Northeastern (who BTW is 4 and 1 against them) Lowell, and Merrimack the traditional bottom dwellers, and far worse than the leagues historically elite teams. Look for Vermont/Maine like national rankings from here on in. You wanted to play with the big boys and now you can, only don't expect to be in the NCAA tournament every year. What a joke, the NCAA tourney should take the top 6 teams in HE automatically, then take 4 from the mid west, 4 form the ECAC and have 2 play in games for the other sub par leagues. 5th and 6th place clubs in HE are generally better than 75% of the teams with automatic bids from the lessor leagues and the Pairwise simply can't auto correct for interleague schedule strength, the way it should!

Browsing the Notre Dame thread, I came across this Gem. Don't know how he divides up the "4 from the Midwest". Wonder why he is all red?

5mn_Major
02-03-2014, 10:32 AM
Browsing the Notre Dame thread, I came across this Gem. Don't know how he divides up the "4 from the Midwest". Wonder why he is all red?

A handful of western programs just happen to be down right now. Up until the last 5 years, MSU had consistently 25 win seasons...and Michigan until the last 2 years had the same. Wisconsin always has its years...and MSU, Wisconsin and MN all had NCs in about the last 10 years. In fact, it was just a few years back that the WCHA had all four froz four teams. Coaches such as Comley, Berenson and now potentially Owens have really damaged programs in the last decade...some programs need new blood.

Frankly, the only teams with any hockey rep from the HE are BC and BU. Notre Dame has a chance to get to get a rep with tradition if it can keep sucking talent out of MN. If BC would have joined the B1G, HE would be decimated...the B1G has a lot more depth in terms of big programs. And with time and decent coaches, BTN can help turn B1G hockey into the powerhouse it would have been 10 years ago.

mnstate0fhockey
02-03-2014, 12:52 PM
browsing the notre dame thread, i came across this gem. Don't know how he divides up the "4 from the midwest". Wonder why he is all red?

lol

ShotFromThePoint
02-04-2014, 06:29 PM
A day late, but I noticed that BC has taken a couple more points from us. At this rate, both teams will have 25 first place votes by season's end. I suspect if the polls were out prior to their game last night they may have stole a couple more.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-05-2014, 08:02 AM
What I think he meant is look at goals scored by D corps. The Gophers are a top 4 scoring team much to the thanks of the scoring prowess of their D corps, which has scored more goals than any other team in the nation by a wide margin I believe.

They don't rank scoring offenses by points scored, but by goals scored.

Not that it matters to me as it's mostly semantics but the kool-aid drinkers over there read this stuff and tend to repeat it as fact. So just to get it straight, the Pio's have the most D scored goals.

mnstate0fhockey
02-05-2014, 08:40 AM
Not that it matters to me as it's mostly semantics but the kool-aid drinkers over there read this stuff and tend to repeat it as fact. So just to get it straight, the Pio's have the most D scored goals.

Really doesn't matter much to me either. I don't think it impacts his point that the scoring we've got from our D Corps is one of the main reasons we're a Top 5 scoring team this season.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-05-2014, 08:56 AM
Really doesn't matter much to me either. I don't think it impacts his point that the scoring we've got from our D Corps is one of the main reasons we're a Top 5 scoring team this season.

Agree. These rumors grow though, and I'm just trying to avoid some goof telling me next week Marshall and Skjei should be a Hobey finalists.

Of course it'll happen anyway. :p

mnstate0fhockey
02-05-2014, 09:13 AM
Agree. These rumors grow though, and I'm just trying to avoid some goof telling me next week Marshall and Skjei should be a Hobey finalists.

Of course it'll happen anyway. :p

How does goals by an entire D Corps impact the Hobey standing for singular players? You do know that is an individual award, right? If any of our D men are going to be considered for that award, it wouldn't be Marshall or Skjei. It would probably be Mike Reilly.

That said, I think any of our D men would tell you Adam Wilcox would be the most deserving guy on our roster for that honor. Not that it matters anyway as Gaudreau is going to walk away with the award.

mnstate0fhockey
02-05-2014, 10:14 AM
Is it too greedy to hope for the Trifecta of a Gopher Men's and Women's championship, as well as a Vanek signing with the Wild, this year?

:D

Wisko McBadgerton
02-05-2014, 01:48 PM
How does goals by an entire D Corps impact the Hobey standing for singular players? You do know that is an individual award, right? If any of our D men are going to be considered for that award, it wouldn't be Marshall or Skjei. It would probably be Mike Reilly.

That said, I think any of our D men would tell you Adam Wilcox would be the most deserving guy on our roster for that honor. Not that it matters anyway as Gaudreau is going to walk away with the award.

Some things are just beyond your grasp aren't they? I hate clogging up this thread, but here's all that's happened. Major made a statement based on some factually incorrect info. I just agreed with his statement and corrected the info. Rather than letting him speak for himself, you took it upon yourself to speak for him and supply more factually incorrect info. And then suggest I don't understand how statistics work.

Despite that I, politely as I know how to in a gopher thread, corrected your facts and again agreed with the underlying statement. You've read my posts. Heck you've run around agreeing with half of them the last week or so. Do you honestly suspect I wouldn't know how the Hobey works? Or who Mike Reilley is? Or what Wilcox's number's are? Or how statistical categories are calculated? Is there any other possible meaning to my post? Like metaphor maybe? The point is, if you're not sure, maybe you should, in general, think about it before replying.

This is exactly how you get yourself in trouble. I don't take the internet seriously and I make few serious posts. Or even good ones. The only reason I'm bothering to reply is that it's obvious you have plenty of hockey knowledge and can certainly add to lots of discussions around here. It's just a little sad to me that your posting 'style' gets in the way of it.

Sorry again to take up the space, Goph's. Carry on please.

mnstate0fhockey
02-05-2014, 01:57 PM
Some things are just beyond your grasp aren't they? I hate clogging up this thread, but here's all that's happened. Major made a statement based on some factually incorrect info. I just agreed with his statement and corrected the info. Rather than letting him speak for himself, you took it upon yourself to speak for him and supply more factually incorrect info. And then suggest I don't understand how statistics work.

Despite that I, politely as I know how to in a gopher thread, corrected your facts and again agreed with the underlying statement. You've read my posts. Heck you've run around agreeing with half of them the last week or so. Do you honestly suspect I wouldn't know how the Hobey works? Or who Mike Reilley is? Or what Wilcox's number's are? Or how statistical categories are calculated? Is there any other possible meaning to my post? Like metaphor maybe? The point is, if you're not sure, maybe you should, in general, think about it before replying.

This is exactly how you get yourself in trouble. I don't take the internet seriously and I make few serious posts. Or even good ones. The only reason I'm bothering to reply is that it's obvious you have plenty of hockey knowledge and can certainly add to lots of discussions around here. It's just a little sad to me that your posting 'style' gets in the way of it.

Sorry again to take up the space, Goph's. Carry on please.

No, I was basically saying who the hell cares, as it doesn't make his primary point, that the Gophers are in the Top 5 in scoring much to the thanks of their defensive corps, any less true. My shot in the dark that he was referring to goals scored was clearly wrong, but still doesn't change the fact that his primary point was correct.

If we're going to be truthful, you just chimed in to snidely point out that UW's D corps has more points, then tried to smooth it over like you were just being helpful. Then tried (and failed miserably) to be funny with the whole Hobey sidetrack.

We don't care how many second assists your D Corps have piled up, or that your D Corps have more pts/game than Minnesota. Nor do we care whether or not Denver's D Corps have scored more goals than the Gopher's D corps. What we do care about is that OUR D Corps have been active enough on the scoresheet to propel the Gophers into a Top 5 scoring position the year after we graduated a number of highly productive forwards.

So yes please, stop clogging up this thread. You've made your corrections, and they've been duely noted.