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sk8tronthepond
11-18-2013, 09:16 PM
guys, it's only movember.

fyp.....;)

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2013, 09:40 PM
When we measure success in terms of "REAL" hardware, particularly at the college level then we as "Real" adults and fans have lost our perspective on athletics at any level. While I believe the games are played to be won or lost I don't think any parent wants their sons or daughters college career to be defined by the "Hardware" they won but rather by the person they become from having the opportunity to compete and be involved with the coaches who gave them that opportunity. Last time I checked friendship and respect from your peers and coaches means more that a faded bronze trophy later on in life. Its a game--- enjoy it and the people involved in it --- my 2cents.

Obviously perennial victory is a bit too much to ask for, but what about the mean? The ECAC has been a league for 50 years. Given it currently has 12 teams, you'd expect to make the championship weekend on average once every 3 years and win the league on average once every 12 years. I believe it has been nearly 12 years since we've even made the championship weekend.

hab
11-18-2013, 10:16 PM
True, It's only November but this team is heavy with upperclassmen , has been dubbed the best team Appert has had since he has been here, and the deepest as well.

I am not defending the Dude nor asking that someone gets fired but can you honestly say you aern't disappointed with the way this season has started? Of our 6 wins 3 of them came against 2 teams (SHU and Dartmouth) that have won a total of 2 games. We jumped out against UNH 4-0 and we were outplayed the second half of that game. B.U. isn't even in the Top 20 and is replacing a coaching legend. We couldnt finish against Harvard and Cornell at home and had to settle for ties. The Colgate win was a great effort considering how much we were shorthanded.

The first chances we had this season to prove that we are ready to compete with the big boys was at B.C., and this past weekend, and we failed. How does a senior D-man take 4 penalties in a game let alone the other calls against us? The "not playing 60 minutes, we need to be mature" lines are things you usually hear when a team is rebuilding and heavy with underclassmen. We have been led to believe that this team is going to compete for an ECAC title and an NCAA berth this season and I still believe this to be true but I can honestly say I expected a little more than what I have seen so far.Im hoping for a bouceback this weekend at the hurst and looking forward to the Q in a couple weeks. To quote Dr D, "just my 2 cents";

Wish that I had written this. Somewhere between those who want to immediately fire SA because we had a bad weekend and those who believe he is God, there is an honest RPI fan reaction that says that this weekend exposed some serious flaws in a team that we had all come to believe was better than this. Discipline is a big part of it, and I have to think that for all of his talk about maturity and the need for leadership etc. etc., that SA needs to show more leadership in refraining from pointing at refs (even when he thinks they made mistakes). When great teams lose they look only at themselves and change. When mediocre teams lose they look for someone else to blame and don't change.

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 06:38 AM
Wish that I had written this. Somewhere between those who want to immediately fire SA because we had a bad weekend and those who believe he is God, there is an honest RPI fan reaction that says that this weekend exposed some serious flaws in a team that we had all come to believe was better than this. Discipline is a big part of it, and I have to think that for all of his talk about maturity and the need for leadership etc. etc., that SA needs to show more leadership in refraining from pointing at refs (even when he thinks they made mistakes). When great teams lose they look only at themselves and change. When mediocre teams lose they look for someone else to blame and don't change.

Bingo. And one other thing that people miss is that any of what I say is not solely because of one bad weekend. The bad weekend was simply the last straw. It is a culmination of happenings in the time this coach has been employed. The coach has had problems upon problems that you and David have just described, and we seem to be treated as if we are guinea pigs, whether or not it's because we're in the EZAC. The Roman-trained folk are still in their dreamland, and seem to want to ignore or shout down any attempt to wake them and show them the burning building of which they are inside, possibly take even more serious action a la their ancestors. It's time to wake up.

Red Cloud
11-19-2013, 06:45 AM
The negativity... Holy moly.

Guys, it's only November.

There's nothing positive about cancers.

DrDemento
11-19-2013, 06:51 AM
Looking back over this thread since the beginning of the season-the postings have ranged from incredible highs to the deepest lows. it is at times like this that i am so glad they discovered Lithium. I think there are a number who would benefit from about 300mg taken three times a day and increasing the dosage after a weekend like we just had.:rolleyes:

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 06:59 AM
There's nothing positive about cancers.

Speak for yourself. Especially considering our astrological sign. ;)

ibanezist00
11-19-2013, 07:01 AM
Wish that I had written this. Somewhere between those who want to immediately fire SA because we had a bad weekend and those who believe he is God, there is an honest RPI fan reaction that says that this weekend exposed some serious flaws in a team that we had all come to believe was better than this. Discipline is a big part of it, and I have to think that for all of his talk about maturity and the need for leadership etc. etc., that SA needs to show more leadership in refraining from pointing at refs (even when he thinks they made mistakes). When great teams lose they look only at themselves and change. When mediocre teams lose they look for someone else to blame and don't change.

One of the better perspectives I've read, and exactly how I feel. That being said, you'd think we were Dartmouth with some of the ways people are talking in these threads. There's always room for improvement, but I've seen a lot of positive, overall growth the last 4-5 seasons.

Ralph Baer
11-19-2013, 07:10 AM
One of the better perspectives I've read, and exactly how I feel. That being said, you'd think we were Dartmouth with some of the ways people are talking in these threads. There's always room for improvement, but I've seen a lot of positive, overall growth the last 4-5 seasons. Growth in the team or SA?

ibanezist00
11-19-2013, 07:16 AM
Growth in the team or SA?

A little bit of both, more the team's discipline minus the Union weekend (but I expected that to happen at some point, sadly, and why I'm not always the biggest fan of 'rivalry' games in any sport). I have to be honest, when it comes to Seth "pointing at the refs", after watching the crappy, inconsistent, biased reffing in the ECAC for years, I can't blame him for not putting up with a bunch of obvious BS anymore. I'd probably do the same.

hrbrendan
11-19-2013, 08:46 AM
I may be alone on this, but I'm pretty sure I've heard in multiple pre/post game interviews SA saying something along the lines of (paraphrasing) 'the team prepares about 90% based on its own play, and 10% based upon the opponent, because thats how championship teams prepare'. That, in my experience, is a luxury afforded to teams that have a level of talent capable of dictating the style and pace of play against just about every opponent they play, which this RPI team does not appear to have. I'm not sure 'act as if' is as viable of a game plan on the ice as it sounds during an interview. That being said, it could just be fluff that he says to reporters to give the appearance of an elevated level of confidence in his team.

Red Cloud
11-19-2013, 09:07 AM
Looking back over this thread since the beginning of the season-the postings have ranged from incredible highs to the deepest lows. it is at times like this that i am so glad they discovered Lithium. I think there are a number who would benefit from about 300mg taken three times a day and increasing the dosage after a weekend like we just had.:rolleyes:

I know one in particular that could use a lithium enema.

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 09:54 AM
I may be alone on this, but I'm pretty sure I've heard in multiple pre/post game interviews SA saying something along the lines of (paraphrasing) 'the team prepares about 90% based on its own play, and 10% based upon the opponent, because thats how championship teams prepare'. That, in my experience, is a luxury afforded to teams that have a level of talent capable of dictating the style and pace of play against just about every opponent they play, which this RPI team does not appear to have. I'm not sure 'act as if' is as viable of a game plan on the ice as it sounds during an interview. That being said, it could just be fluff that he says to reporters to give the appearance of an elevated level of confidence in his team.

He does have a point that any team playing any sport needs to exert poise and control, and to play their game. That having been said, I disagree with the percentages, but of course who wouldn't when it comes to semantics; I'd bring it to about 60/40. What each player brings to the team is a definite indicator of who should play against specific opponents, and something correct that SA has been doing. If I'm going to play a trap team such as Union or Cornell, I know that beautiful cross-ice tic-tac-toe isn't going to work, and so I would much rather have bruiser forwards that are able to win positioning battles, get pucks out of corners, and expose the holes that occur with playing a trap style. When we play skating teams such as Yale or SLU, that's when you can do the stuff that will tire your opponent and play a battle of conditioning, while still finishing those checks and give them a brick wall to run into. I believe the specific strategies is where the coach runs into problems, trying to fit the Yale/SLU mold against all teams, when the opponent's defence is specifically designed to stop what you are doing. I liken it to 1v1 Starcraft, where the selection of your opponent's race has a great effect upon what strategy you use to defeat your opponent. That's not to say there aren't fundamentals you need regardless of your opponent (and is what SA is talking about), but that can only get you so far.

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 09:56 AM
I know one in particular that could use a lithium enema.

You know what's funny? This guy pokes fun at people that have an obsession over him, yet despite using the ignore feature, he still has an obsession with me. Ironic.

CollegeHockeyRinkReport
11-19-2013, 10:08 AM
Minnesota- North Dakota running away with poll so far. Vote for RPI- Union as best rivalry here

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2013/11/19/5120410/union-rpi-rivalry-heats-up-ecac-hockey-rick-bennett-seth-appert-shayne-gostisbehere

FreshFish
11-19-2013, 10:33 AM
I know one in particular that could use a lithium enema.

Please do not feed the Troll anything. It will seize upon the slightest crumb as a pretext.

hrbrendan
11-19-2013, 10:38 AM
He does have a point that any team playing any sport needs to exert poise and control, and to play their game. That having been said, I disagree with the percentages, but of course who wouldn't when it comes to semantics; I'd bring it to about 60/40. What each player brings to the team is a definite indicator of who should play against specific opponents, and something correct that SA has been doing. If I'm going to play a trap team such as Union or Cornell, I know that beautiful cross-ice tic-tac-toe isn't going to work, and so I would much rather have bruiser forwards that are able to win positioning battles, get pucks out of corners, and expose the holes that occur with playing a trap style. When we play skating teams such as Yale or SLU, that's when you can do the stuff that will tire your opponent and play a battle of conditioning, while still finishing those checks and give them a brick wall to run into. I believe the specific strategies is where the coach runs into problems, trying to fit the Yale/SLU mold against all teams, when the opponent's defence is specifically designed to stop what you are doing. I liken it to 1v1 Starcraft, where the selection of your opponent's race has a great effect upon what strategy you use to defeat your opponent. That's not to say there aren't fundamentals you need regardless of your opponent (and is what SA is talking about), but that can only get you so far.

Need more Zerg, less Protoss.

turk181
11-19-2013, 10:44 AM
Some horrible news out of Fargo that could have some effect on Devito/Wood/Bourbonnais, last years Lincoln Stars HC, Chad Johnson, was found dead alongside railroad tracks in Fargo. This is life NOT a hockey score.....http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/418783/ ......Another article....http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/418783/

Ralph Baer
11-19-2013, 10:50 AM
Some horrible news out of Fargo that could have some effect on Devito/Wood/Bourbonnais, last years Lincoln Stars HC, Chad Johnson, was found dead alongside railroad tracks in Fargo. This is life NOT a hockey score.....http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/418783/

:(

FlagDUDE08
11-19-2013, 11:06 AM
Some horrible news out of Fargo that could have some effect on Devito/Wood/Bourbonnais, last years Lincoln Stars HC, Chad Johnson, was found dead alongside railroad tracks in Fargo. This is life NOT a hockey score.....http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/418783/ ......Another article....http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/418783/

Sorry to read. :(