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rsfs04
11-12-2013, 08:15 AM
The goal horns compilation from last season has now been posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edZe5aJBOw

It spans 9 minutes. If Haggerty keeps up this pace, I wonder how long the next one will be :eek:

It's been up there for over three months now, but I didn't mind watching it again :p

And they averaged 3.26 goals per game at home last year, they're currently at 4.6. At this rate there'll be about 13 and a third minutes of goals by the end of the season :D

Ralph Baer
11-12-2013, 08:19 AM
I just watched the Colgate game in the RPI-TV archives to try to decide if the three majors were justified. While the game was going on things happened too fast for me to form any real opinion. Also the Schroeder penalty was too near where I was sitting. Anyway, in my uneducated opinion the Curadi and Schroeder penalties were probably correct although I am not sure that the latter warranted a misconduct also. The Miller penalty seemed unwarranted or maybe should have been a minor. The Colgate player seemed just as responsible as Miller for it being a kneeing because he ducked causing Miller to hurdle him.

ibanezist00
11-12-2013, 09:16 AM
It's been up there for over three months now, but I didn't mind watching it again :p

And they averaged 3.26 goals per game at home last year, they're currently at 4.6. At this rate there'll be about 13 and a third minutes of goals by the end of the season :D

I think a "follow" of the RPI TV channel on YouTube is in order...

Thanks for letting me know.

realet
11-12-2013, 12:33 PM
I just watched the Colgate game in the RPI-TV archives to try to decide if the three majors were justified. While the game was going on things happened too fast for me to form any real opinion. Also the Schroeder penalty was too near where I was sitting. Anyway, in my uneducated opinion the Curadi and Schroeder penalties were probably correct although I am not sure that the latter warranted a misconduct also. The Miller penalty seemed unwarranted or maybe should have been a minor. The Colgate player seemed just as responsible as Miller for it being a kneeing because he ducked causing Miller to hurdle him.

I went back and re-examined five hits on the weekend that were brought into question at one point or another due to the influence they had on the gameplay.

Gotovets on Rogic: This one probably could have gone either way. It's a penalty to be sure, and as Kurt said on the air on Saturday, the referees, if it's 50-50, they're supposed to be calling major penalties. I thought it should have been a major at the time and still think that would have been the better call.

Haggerty on Ryan: Zero question here. Obvious charge and completely unnecessary. Haggerty was trying to stop the shot, but he was too far away once Ryan began shooting to make any impact and he should have known that.

Curadi on Freeman: I think this hit really compares very closely with the Gotovets hit, and could have gone either way, not really much of a problem with the major here, certainly a good call that it wasn't also a game misconduct.

Miller on Tylor Spink: Both players look like they're trying to avoid contact. Certainly not worthy of a game misconduct and probably only a minor if it's even that. There was a reason neither Kurt nor I saw this penalty and that's pretty much the reason right there.

Schroeder on Corcoran: I was shocked that this one actually got the most blowback from fans both at the game and directing complaints to WaP's twitter feed. While Corcoran put himself in a bad position, Schroeder's hit was fairly reckless, especially considering that it was at the bench area. Certainly warranted a major, I'd lean toward the game misconduct being appropriate as well.

FlagDUDE08
11-12-2013, 12:48 PM
The biggest issue I have with the Corcoran hit is that it seemed to be an abuse of a point of emphasis. We saw this a few years ago in Minnesota at the Icebreaker. One of our players was going for a check, and the receiving player at the last second, while our player was clearly in stride, turned the body in order to draw a major and game misconduct for the sole reason that "hitting from behind" happened to be a point of emphasis. For these two years, "contact to the head" (CTH) is a point of emphasis. In reviewing the play, you can clearly see that Corcoran lost a blade edge as he dropped to a knee, and Zach was in stride. Obviously blade edge losses happen, so upon further review I would not press the possibility of unsportsmanlike conduct as I would in the previously described play. However, it was an incidental CTH as opposed to the CTH emphasized in the rule book, and in my opinion should only be deserving of a minor for either boarding or the roughing the referee described.

Ralph Baer
11-12-2013, 12:49 PM
I went back and re-examined five hits on the weekend that were brought into question at one point or another due to the influence they had on the gameplay.

Gotovets on Rogic: This one probably could have gone either way. It's a penalty to be sure, and as Kurt said on the air on Saturday, the referees, if it's 50-50, they're supposed to be calling major penalties. I thought it should have been a major at the time and still think that would have been the better call.

Haggerty on Ryan: Zero question here. Obvious charge and completely unnecessary. Haggerty was trying to stop the shot, but he was too far away once Ryan began shooting to make any impact and he should have known that.

Curadi on Freeman: I think this hit really compares very closely with the Gotovets hit, and could have gone either way, not really much of a problem with the major here, certainly a good call that it wasn't also a game misconduct.

Miller on Tylor Spink: Both players look like they're trying to avoid contact. Certainly not worthy of a game misconduct and probably only a minor if it's even that. There was a reason neither Kurt nor I saw this penalty and that's pretty much the reason right there.

Schroeder on Corcoran: I was shocked that this one actually got the most blowback from fans both at the game and directing complaints to WaP's twitter feed. While Corcoran put himself in a bad position, Schroeder's hit was fairly reckless, especially considering that it was at the bench area. Certainly warranted a major, I'd lean toward the game misconduct being appropriate as well.

Thinking about penalties note this box score (http://collegehockeystats.net/1314/boxes/wbmjosu1.n08) from the Friday BSU-OSU women's game. (Yes, I wrote women's.) Each team was only able to dress 10 skaters for Saturday's rematch which ended in a tie. For those who like catfights ;), here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ZSIgJkQ-o. Interestingly I first found reference to this in a thread (http://www.network54.com/Forum/243529/thread/1384213776/last-1384226979/Women%27s+hockey+brawl+sets+NCAA+penalty+record) on an OJHL board.

hrbrendan
11-12-2013, 01:34 PM
Thinking about penalties note this box score (http://collegehockeystats.net/1314/boxes/wbmjosu1.n08) from the Friday BSU-OSU women's game. (Yes, I wrote women's.) Each team was only able to dress 10 skaters for Saturday's rematch which ended in a tie. For those who like catfights ;), here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ZSIgJkQ-o. Interestingly I first found reference to this in a thread (http://www.network54.com/Forum/243529/thread/1384213776/last-1384226979/Women%27s+hockey+brawl+sets+NCAA+penalty+record) on an OJHL board.

The reason the kneeing penalty was called is because that type of play, in open ice like that, is the most dangerous (not life threatening like boarding, but knee surgery inducing) there is in hockey. IMO that was the most obvious of the three, if it gets seen by a decent ref, it should get called every single time.

DrDemento
11-12-2013, 02:31 PM
Thinking about penalties note this box score (http://collegehockeystats.net/1314/boxes/wbmjosu1.n08) from the Friday BSU-OSU women's game. (Yes, I wrote women's.) Each team was only able to dress 10 skaters for Saturday's rematch which ended in a tie. For those who like catfights ;), here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ZSIgJkQ-o. Interestingly I first found reference to this in a thread (http://www.network54.com/Forum/243529/thread/1384213776/last-1384226979/Women%27s+hockey+brawl+sets+NCAA+penalty+record) on an OJHL board.

Where is the Fabulous Moolah when we need her?:eek:

DrDemento
11-12-2013, 02:33 PM
I've tried to look back and so far had no success-when was the last time we were called for 3 major penalties in a game with the other team not receiving any corresponding penalty (matching majors)? I am pretty sure it happened-but no luck finding a game like that yet.

Ralph Baer
11-12-2013, 11:23 PM
The reason the kneeing penalty was called is because that type of play, in open ice like that, is the most dangerous (not life threatening like boarding, but knee surgery inducing) there is in hockey. IMO that was the most obvious of the three, if it gets seen by a decent ref, it should get called every single time.

I agree that it is dangerous, but IMHO Spink was a large part of the cause of the incident.

FlagDUDE08
11-13-2013, 07:14 AM
The kneeing hit was clearly a penalty, and there was absolutely no "attempted avoidance" to try to draw it. Was it worth 5 and game? No, given that the player was clearly milking it and didn't miss a single shift.

sshablak
11-13-2013, 07:30 AM
I agree that it is dangerous, but IMHO Spink was a large part of the cause of the incident.

Wasn't Spink carrying the puck, if so how could he be part of it ?

FlagDUDE08
11-13-2013, 07:46 AM
Wasn't Spink carrying the puck, if so how could he be part of it ?

The acting job he learned from his travel partners, possibly while on that road trip?

Ralph Baer
11-13-2013, 07:56 AM
Wasn't Spink carrying the puck, if so how could he be part of it ?

Well, if he was "carrying" it, then ... :)

Yes, he did have possession of the puck, but that doesn't preclude his movements being at least part of the cause of being hit by a knee, assuming that he actually was.

FlagDUDE08
11-13-2013, 08:05 AM
Well, if he was "carrying" it, then ... :)

Yes, he did have possession of the puck, but that doesn't preclude his movements being at least part of the cause of being hit by a knee, assuming that he actually was.

It definitely was a knee hit, and his movements were the movements of any skater, or at least with patterns better than that of Rambo. :D And yes, AspyDad, I'll take any further jokes to the Alumni thread.

sk8tronthepond
11-13-2013, 09:57 AM
Yes, he did have possession of the puck, but that doesn't preclude his movements being at least part of the cause of being hit by a knee, assuming that he actually was.

C'mon Ralph.......seriously. Isn't that like saying every skater contributes to their own injuries based on their movements?

Ralph Baer
11-13-2013, 11:25 AM
C'mon Ralph.......seriously. Isn't that like saying every skater contributes to their own injuries based on their movements?

One could say that (especially on a pond ;) ), but that was not what I meant. He quite definitely altered his path.

Ralph Baer
11-13-2013, 12:10 PM
I don't think that this audio interview with Matt Tinordi after the first Harvard game was posted here before http://static.psbin.com/i/f/kjah7vwd67eyk0/Matt_Tinordi.MP3.

FlagDUDE08
11-14-2013, 07:23 AM
I was taking a look at the stats this morning, because I believe what really helped us last year was the fact that it wasn't just one line doing all the work. All four lines were contributing both on and off the score sheet. So, with Haggs having 13 goals, that started to worry me. I went to the stats, and a pleasant surprise came. Trivia time: Who are the only three forwards on the team without a goal? I'm sure you could guess two.

I'm really starting to like the nine line. Nothing against the NHL line, which we still see on the power play, but it's definitely clicking. And as we saw vs. Dartmouth, if you put your best against the nine line, the top line will come in to pounce on you. And heaven forbid you overlook the third line with McGowan and JL. Look out for that checking line, too, as Wood can really position well along with the big hits.

sk8tronthepond
11-14-2013, 07:23 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/men-arrested-massive-fraud-case-targeted-nhl-players-article-1.1515505

If you're Kenner......it's not fun........