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Dirty
08-20-2013, 01:38 PM
I'm with camilo. I attended college hockey games before the ECAC was founded and my take is that fans attend games to see who wins, and players compete to see who wins. Not who ties.

You've been going to games for over 50 years and you still don't understand how college hockey works? That is impressive.

Osorojo
08-20-2013, 01:58 PM
You've been going to games for over 50 years and you still don't understand how college hockey works? That is impressive.

Quite the contrary. I know how college hockey has worked for 55 years and accept the fact that change is inevitable, often for the better, occasionally for the worse. This site is married to the status quo . Every time a change in college hockey is suggested a flurry of anguished posts follows: conference realignment, mascot changes, television coverage, penalty definitions, scholarship stipulations - just about anything new. I wonder about the hidebound outlook of these reactionaries when they approach their 5th or 6th decade of following college hockey.

Tipsy McStagger
08-20-2013, 03:13 PM
Thats your opinion and its fine. I'd guess more people find them enjoyable / exciting to watch.... certainly most people I know think the NHL shootout is fun and based on what I see at the arenas and the fans staying to watch, I think it is safe to say that is the majority opinion.

So because people who paid $70 for a ticket want to stay until the end of the game rather than leave 5 minutes early, that tells you that most people think the shootout is fun? Do you assume everyone who stays until the end of a movie thought the ending of the movie was great?


Free throws in basketball is not a good comparison to the shooter vs goalie situation in a hockey shootout.
There aren't any great comparisons because basketball doesn't have any players that are permanently defending the basket. Free throws are a pretty good comparison because, like penalty shots, they are used to penalize the opponent and don't occur in the natural flow of the game.

Tipsy McStagger
08-20-2013, 03:26 PM
In all my research the same NHL playoff teams make the playoffs regardless winning or losing a shoot out.
Must have been really exhaustive research.

Columbus was 24-17-7 last year, with a 5-4 record in shootouts. They missed the playoffs. Without shootouts they finish 19-20-9 which would give them 47 points. San Jose was 25-16-7 last year with a 8-4 record in shootouts. They made the playoffs. Without shootouts they finish 17-19-12 which would give them 46 points. Without shootouts, Columbus makes the playoffs last year and San Jose doesn't.

How much research did you do again?

Biddco
08-20-2013, 07:28 PM
The worst part about shootouts? Looking at the jumbled mess of a teams record and the points system. I'd much rather have 2 points per win than 3.

uaafanblog
08-20-2013, 07:48 PM
The worst part of shoot outs is the pandering attitude that allow them to creep back into idiot leagues in some stupid marketing ploy whose purpose is to appeal to the least common denominator ... i.e unsophisticated rubes.

4four4
08-20-2013, 08:08 PM
Must have been really exhaustive research.

Columbus was 24-17-7 last year, with a 5-4 record in shootouts. They missed the playoffs. Without shootouts they finish 19-20-9 which would give them 47 points. San Jose was 25-16-7 last year with a 8-4 record in shootouts. They made the playoffs. Without shootouts they finish 17-19-12 which would give them 46 points. Without shootouts, Columbus makes the playoffs last year and San Jose doesn't.

How much research did you do again?

Historically speaking the right teams make the playoffs.

LtPowers
08-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Like I said in the post you are referring to - my opinion is that they do provide a way to legitimately separate two otherwise tied teams. That plus the fact that they're fun to watch, makes them a reasonable feature of a regular season game. I don't disagree with your statement about the team-oriented game, but again, as I said in that same post, going beyond one overtime is not reasonable for a regular season game. If you don't think people like the shootout (which I disagree with), how do you think they'd like staying there for lengthy OT's for a regular season game. I believe far fewer people would like that than like the shootouts (and I believe most fans - yes, "real", long term fans like me - like shootouts for regular season games)

Going beyond one overtime isn't reasonable; you're right. But what the heck is wrong with a tie? Sure, shootouts are fun to watch, but it distorts the game. Without the shootout, it's reasonable for a team to focus on team defense, keeping shot totals low and keeping the puck away from the goalie as a winning strategy. Without the shootout, coaches often tell their forwards to keep it simple, don't get fancy with the puck, etc. With the shootout, defense is a moot point, and shooters are encouraged to take fancy shots to beat the goalie. It changes recruiting strategy, gameday roster decisions, and in-game team personality. All this because some people don't like ties??


Powers &8^]

duper
08-20-2013, 08:39 PM
I think it's hilarious that people assume they can equate enjoying the shootout to intelligence or understanding of the game. Says a lot about those people. :)

Dude Love
08-21-2013, 12:53 AM
I just think shootouts are anti-climactic. After SUDDEN DEATH OVERTIME you go to a gimmick from the All Star Game.

There doesn't have to be a winner.

aparch
08-21-2013, 07:45 AM
I just think shootouts are anti-climactic. After SUDDEN DEATH OVERTIME you go to a gimmick from the All Star Game.

There doesn't have to be a winner.

Ummm, didn't the Olympics use the shootout long before the "skill competition" day was added to the All Star game?

You all do realize that every eight year old who sat through the last lockout and watched the birth of the NHL shootout are now emulating that and are being recruited by CHL and NCAA teams this year, right? And the IHL had been using it for decades.

The ship SS Shootout has sailed. It's not coming back to port. Ever.


My gripe is with the points. It needs to be 3 pts for a regulation or OT win. Zero for a regulation or OT loss. 1 pt each for tying after the OT and 1 pt for the shootout win. And score it W-L-T-SOW

Tipsy McStagger
08-21-2013, 08:08 AM
Historically speaking the right teams make the playoffs.
You are obviously just pulling these statements out of your ***, with no proof. I debunked your previous statement with a cursory look at last years standings. Stop digging and put away the shovel.

Osorojo
08-21-2013, 08:25 AM
One strong argument against shootouts has not been raised: eliminating college hockey shootouts will further separate American college hockey from world-class hockey (NHL, AHL, Olympics, Major Junior) and prevent confusion between college hockey and higher levels of competition.

sm2pk
08-21-2013, 08:53 AM
Shootouts are for fans who were texting the the whole game and overtime but now would like to watch something before they leave the arena .

Dirty
08-21-2013, 10:01 AM
One strong argument against shootouts has not been raised: eliminating college hockey shootouts will further separate American college hockey from world-class hockey (NHL, AHL, Olympics, Major Junior) and prevent confusion between college hockey and higher levels of competition.

Why do you post on this message board when you hate college hockey so much? Wouldn't your time be better used masturbating to photos of London Knight players?

LtPowers
08-21-2013, 10:19 AM
My gripe is with the points. It needs to be 3 pts for a regulation or OT win. Zero for a regulation or OT loss. 1 pt each for tying after the OT and 1 pt for the shootout win. And score it W-L-T-SOW

Isn't that exactly what the NCHC is doing?


Powers &8^]

Jesus of Suburbia
08-21-2013, 10:21 AM
I can see using shootout for conference play as a tie break in standing. At the end of the game both teams have the same score they will receive 1 point. Use the shootout who would go ahead if there is a tie in points for conference play.

Osorojo
08-21-2013, 11:19 AM
Why do you post on this message board when you hate college hockey so much? Wouldn't your time be better used masturbating to photos of London Knight players?

Stop the potty talk and grow up. I have closely followed college hockey for 55 years as best my location and finances would allow. And you? Perhaps you were unable to discern the point of my previous post. You see there was sarcasm, not hatred involved.
Fact: The most talented hockey players in the world in the most widely viewed and profitable hockey leagues and venues (NHL, AHL, Olympics, Major Junior) in the world play by different rules than current U.S. college hockey rules.
You bad-mouth adopting a rule followed by world's most talented hockey players competing in the world's toughest leagues, apparently because you believe your incomparable credentials as a hockey fan/expert nullifies the accepted practices of the most talented players and the most attended, most successful leagues in the world. Climb down off your ego and grow up.

FreshFish
08-21-2013, 11:20 AM
When did ties become so horrible?
Sometimes teams are evenly matched on a given night.

Ties are an honorable outcome in many areas of competition (soccer and chess also come to mind). You only "need" a tie-breaker in a single-elimination tournament format. Shoot-outs to me are part of the transformation of our society from reasonable adulthood to indulgent permanent adolescence, but that's a whole 'nother story.

FreshFish
08-21-2013, 11:23 AM
Shootouts are happening. Everyone should really start focusing their energy on other things than stopping them.

Sure, if a basketball game is tied after the first overtime, we go to a free-throw shooting contest to settle it??

It makes more sense to have the first 5 minute overtime be 4x4, then the second be 3x3, etc. than have a shootout: at least have the game decided by play on the ice rather than some gimmick.

Like anyone will care what we think anyway...:rolleyes: