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Biddco
07-31-2013, 11:14 AM
By USCHO? Show me.Wait and show yourself dummy.

KnightsOfTheRound
07-31-2013, 11:47 AM
Posting in an Osorojo thread :cool:

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jcarter7669
07-31-2013, 12:32 PM
So the snack-pac doesn't know or care if early departures sign for fifteen hundred dollars or five hundred thousand dollars, or whether they report to the Bae-Comeau Drakkar, the Gwinnett Gladiators, or directly to the NHL. Speaking of drugs, what do they put in those Cheetos anyway?

Thats correct no one cares. There are two sides of the fan base.... those that are happy a kid from their team signed and is moving on and those that are sad they are losing a quality player. No one gives a flying_fukc what they signed for, as for where they are playing... well that's apparent to the fans who have been watching them for the past season.


I will say this, you sure do make the off season interesting. Much better then "____________ getting a D1 hockey team"

Osorojo
07-31-2013, 12:54 PM
Once again you have decided to start a thread over a non-existent issue and then decided to stick your fingers in your ears when people point that out. What, exactly, is the conversation you are hoping to initiate?

The details of a contract are not immediately released in most cases. Once they become public, it is not difficult to find the information. It's already been stated that Jooris signed an entry level contract (so you have at least an idea about what the numbers will look like) and will play for the Flames' affiliate in Penticton.

Now that you have that information, what is it you plan on doing with it in way of determining who the "competition" is?
Just a heads up, the issue of early departures and the decision by players to leave college for minor league hockey is one that is not new and that has been discussed in relation to various other topics for well over a decade.
Welcome to Division 1 college hockey.

Been stated where? [why not here?] This college hockey topic, like all others, has been previously discussed on this site. So what? I suspect many of the opinions and many of the arguments expressed about early departures have considered only the information about early signing contracts and player destinations provided by this site: in a word, ZILCH. My purpose in starting this thread is to encourage USCHO editors to include and USCHO patrons to request more facts about early departures opposed to offering more opinions from coaches and fans. Why? So site users can form more reasoned conclusions about a phenomenon which dismays a significant number of college hockey fans. Those who prefer pleasant dining experiences over facts, nosh on.

French Rage
07-31-2013, 01:30 PM
Yes, why is a website about college hockey that has a limited staff not providing every single piece of information about the lives of players once they go pro and at that point are no longer college hockey players. It's almost as if they are deciding to devote their limited resources to the players still in college and the teams that they play for.

Osorojo
07-31-2013, 02:10 PM
Yes, why is a website about college hockey that has a limited staff not providing every single piece of information about the lives of players once they go pro and at that point are no longer college hockey players. It's almost as if they are deciding to devote their limited resources to the players still in college and the teams that they play for.

French Rage:
Except for the preposterous "not providing every single piece of information . . ." your point is well taken. Perhaps the better-informed users of this site would share their knowledge of the immediate circumstances of early departure players. Many fans are not at all hesitant to express dismay over early departures or praise the deeds of their team's early departures to the pros. Why not share the basic facts of why and how they turned pro? Contributors eager to share their repulsive gustatory proclivities might even possess some pertinent factual knowledge of early departures which they would be willing to share.

Almington
07-31-2013, 02:20 PM
Been stated where?

Oddly enough, most of the questions you want answers to are found in the NHL's CBA. For example:
If a college player is announced as having signed with an NHL club, they have signed an entry level contract which is ALWAYS a two way contract and those players will play with the NHL club or with an affiliated AHL club based on an evaluation by the NHL staff.

The maximum and minimum payments, signing bonus, and many other matters are also included in the CBA under entry level contracts.

Nick Papagiorgio
07-31-2013, 02:25 PM
Why not share the basic facts of why and how they turned pro?

99.9% go like this:

Why? Because the player wanted to go pro*
How? The pro team offered him a contract, he picked up a pen and signed it.

*Exception here is for players that blew it academically or got kicked out of school like the rapists at BU.

Are you happy now? Shut up and google the friggin players if you want to know more about where they will report and what the terms of their contract are. Capgeek is always an interesting place to kill some time.

FlagDUDE08
07-31-2013, 02:42 PM
99.9% go like this:

Why? Because the player wanted to go pro*
How? The pro team offered him a contract, he picked up a pen and signed it.

*Exception here is for players that blew it academically or got kicked out of school like the rapists at BU.

Are you happy now? Shut up and google the friggin players if you want to know more about where they will report and what the terms of their contract are. Capgeek is always an interesting place to kill some time.

You forgot about ivy league entitlement. Their heads are so bloated that they need peons to do things for them. :p:D

BU2K
07-31-2013, 02:52 PM
Any of those nachos left?

FlagDUDE08
07-31-2013, 02:54 PM
Any of those nachos left?

I ate the last one.

Jimjamesak
07-31-2013, 04:43 PM
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Osorojo
07-31-2013, 06:19 PM
OK. You shamed me into it, and I looked it up. The last three early departures from the Dutchmen went on to play for the Albany Devils, the Charlotte Checkers, and the Penticton Vees.

Stauber1
07-31-2013, 07:52 PM
Been stated where? [why not here?] This college hockey topic, like all others, has been previously discussed on this site. So what? I suspect many of the opinions and many of the arguments expressed about early departures have considered only the information about early signing contracts and player destinations provided by this site: in a word, ZILCH. My purpose in starting this thread is to encourage USCHO editors to include and USCHO patrons to request more facts about early departures opposed to offering more opinions from coaches and fans. Why? So site users can form more reasoned conclusions about a phenomenon which dismays a significant number of college hockey fans. Those who prefer pleasant dining experiences over facts, nosh on.

So your purpose was to rag on USCHO. A site with limited staff. A site with a staff that puts the work in as a labor of love and not as a career. A site that provides all of us a fantastic destination for college hockey info, news and discussion. Got it.
I don't pretend to know the thought process that goes into every decision made by USCHO and its writers, but there are a number of reasons as to why the exact details of the contract aren't included in the article. Maybe the details weren't disclosed at the time it was written. Maybe it's the offseason and they only have 2 or 3 people actively contributing and those 2 or 3 people are doing so on the side of their paying career. Maybe they figured if someone wanted to know the exact details of the contract that person could find it quite easily. Maybe they assume their readership has a base level of knowledge.

I also suppose USCHO could have opined as to the exact reason why each player has left eligibility on the table. That doesn't seem to jive with the identity USCHO has carved out for itself though. But really, the overwhelming majority of early signings are pretty straight forward. A 19-23 year old kid gets offered a minimum salary much higher than the average American (and higher than the average college grad right out of school) for becoming a professional in a sport they have always dreamed of being a pro in. What more is there to say?

Most the people who have intelligently engaged in conversation about early departures have taken the time to learn about the contracts and playing opportunities presented to players signing out of college. If you are curious about a particular player's contract, I'd suggest taking the 90 seconds the rest of us take to find the information. If you spend 90 seconds and can't find it, I'd highly recommend investing 10 minutes a day into the pursuit of learning how to navigate and search out information on the internet. It's a valuable skill to have.

Stauber1
07-31-2013, 07:57 PM
Oh, I forgot. You referred to early departures as a phenomenon. It's not. In the early 2000's that might have been apt, but presently early departures are simply business as usual. I say again, welcome to division 1 college hockey.

burd
07-31-2013, 10:00 PM
OK. You shamed me into it, and I looked it up. 3

That underscores the point: you not interested in learning the answers, only asking questions that you feel will make you look brighter than you are. And it shows.

LynahFan
08-02-2013, 10:19 AM
Oh, I forgot. You referred to early departures as a phenomenon. It's not. In the early 2000's that might have been apt, but presently early departures are simply business as usual. I say again, welcome to division 1 college hockey.Not picking on you in particular, Stauber1, but I notice that you joined this board in 2005, so I'm going to guess there's a possibility that you started following college hockey closely around that time. There is a human tendency to assume that a trend "started" at the time that one first becomes aware of it, so from your perception, the early departures "phenomenon" appears to have started at that time. It's actually been going on far longer than that. Nieuwendyk left Cornell after 3 years in 1989, and I'm sure there are plenty of even earlier examples.

Now, if someone actually cared about this issue, one might be motivated to actually put together some statistics to determine if the trend really is increasing or not, and if so, try to correlate that trend with other events which might be related to that trend (new CBAs, etc). My guess is that there's nobody on this board who really cares about this issue, though. Plenty who like to whine and complain a lot, though.

Stauber1
08-02-2013, 01:28 PM
Not picking on you in particular, Stauber1, but I notice that you joined this board in 2005, so I'm going to guess there's a possibility that you started following college hockey closely around that time. There is a human tendency to assume that a trend "started" at the time that one first becomes aware of it, so from your perception, the early departures "phenomenon" appears to have started at that time. It's actually been going on far longer than that. Nieuwendyk left Cornell after 3 years in 1989, and I'm sure there are plenty of even earlier examples.

Now, if someone actually cared about this issue, one might be motivated to actually put together some statistics to determine if the trend really is increasing or not, and if so, try to correlate that trend with other events which might be related to that trend (new CBAs, etc). My guess is that there's nobody on this board who really cares about this issue, though. Plenty who like to whine and complain a lot, though.

Look at my user name, take note of some of the stand-out players at MN, and that will give you an idea about when I started following college hockey ;)

Of course there were early departures before the early 2000's. But they were much fewer and further between than what we started seeing in this millennium. There were a number of factors that started making early departures more prevalent in the early 2000's (number of quality American born players, spread of youth hockey to regions not traditionally known for hockey, decreased bias from NHL bosses toward the NCAA game, more college players being drafted and in higher rounds) and as others have alluded, when the current CBA went into effect it made it even more desirable for NHL clubs to offer contracts and for NCAA players to accept them.

Maybe this is the discussion Osorojo was pining for all along...it only took 2 full pages to flesh it out.

komey1
08-04-2013, 05:54 PM
"We have met the enemy, and he is us" - Walt Kelly

bigblue_dl
08-05-2013, 10:09 AM
Oddly enough, most of the questions you want answers to are found in the NHL's CBA. For example:
If a college player is announced as having signed with an NHL club, they have signed an entry level contract which is ALWAYS a two way contract and those players will play with the NHL club or with an affiliated AHL club based on an evaluation by the NHL staff.

The maximum and minimum payments, signing bonus, and many other matters are also included in the CBA under entry level contracts.Wait, you expect Oso to actually know what he's talking about? :p
This guy is complete non-entity, and has absolutely no ****ing clue what he is talking about.

Any Osorojo started thread should be focused on Nachos, they deserve nothing else.

Has anyone heard when the new NCAA Hockey Video game is coming out? :rolleyes: