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J.D.
11-15-2013, 10:37 PM
I think maine just scored again

J.D.
11-15-2013, 11:02 PM
on the bright side, billett was very strong tonight...great weekend for him.

Cross Check
11-15-2013, 11:15 PM
Who knew "excessive roughness" is actually a penalty? I've seen it all now

I know. When I heard the call all I could think of was the guy asking Tom Hanks if he was serious about the sticky bomb near the end of Saving Private Ryan. I'm moderately sure the ref made it up on the spot. I'm sure Santini now has a rep with the refs. Welcome to Petrecki-Matheson territory. Anything close is a penalty.

jjmc85
11-15-2013, 11:36 PM
Nah I remember it happening just a few years ago in merrimack-unh hockey east semifinal

Definitely rare though


"game officials may use replay to correct an error on calling an offside or too many players on the ice that directly leads to a goal." (found that in the rule book)


good work tony. here it is in the rule book:

A team may use its timeout for the purpose of reviewing situations that
are in the video replay criteria or a potentially non-detected goal. If the
challenge is successful, the team retains its timeout. This timeout policy
applies to any video replay procedure used.
The on-ice official makes the final decision.


Very interesting


<img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MO3r4PSNh7o/UoWXokmqpBI/AAAAAAAAAbY/Mc-dNVwSC7M/w639-h360-no/Offside.gif">

Not even questionable or controversial unless you're a UMass homer. Offsides. I had no idea you could actually review that, so I was confused at first, too -- but as it turns out, you can. Learn something new every day, I guess.

(That rule is new this year, right? So last year if NU scored when they were 6-on-5 at the Beanpot, the goal couldn't have been overturned, but this year, it could have been - right? I googled it and saw the QMJHL instituted this rule this season but couldn't find information about the college rule.)


So..... both wingers were offsides. HA!

I may be jumping to conclusions here, but from the quotes I'm seeing, York seems very confident on the rule change and knows the rules and took care of business last night and the Umass coaches didn't and are asking for clarification and want to hear from the league and director of officials. Is anyone surprised that York is on top of things?

The NCAA has clarified this. The ruling was wrong. Coach York was wrong. Coach Michelleto was correct. It should have been a goal. Link: http://www.masslive.com/umasshockey/index.ssf/2013/11/ncaa_issues_clarification_vide.html#incart_river

J.D.
11-15-2013, 11:42 PM
Well, no. It should not have been a goal. Your team was blatantly off freakin sides.

J.D.
11-15-2013, 11:49 PM
And how about you try and actually read the memo. It says "in order to clarify, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, internet video replay WILL NO LONGER be allowed"

It never says the officials were wrong in what they did, etc.

J.D.
11-15-2013, 11:54 PM
The blogger even states that the memo that was sent out in the summer was not made available so nobody knows what it said. This memo was separate than anything in the rule book. Sounds to me like the memo they sent said absolutely nothing about not being able to use internet video replay hence the need to now clarify their position.

jjmc85
11-16-2013, 12:28 AM
Nah I remember it happening just a few years ago in merrimack-unh hockey east semifinal

Definitely rare though


"game officials may use replay to correct an error on calling an offside or too many players on the ice that directly leads to a goal." (found that in the rule book)


good work tony. here it is in the rule book:

A team may use its timeout for the purpose of reviewing situations that
are in the video replay criteria or a potentially non-detected goal. If the
challenge is successful, the team retains its timeout. This timeout policy
applies to any video replay procedure used.
The on-ice official makes the final decision.


Very interesting


<img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MO3r4PSNh7o/UoWXokmqpBI/AAAAAAAAAbY/Mc-dNVwSC7M/w639-h360-no/Offside.gif">

Not even questionable or controversial unless you're a UMass homer. Offsides. I had no idea you could actually review that, so I was confused at first, too -- but as it turns out, you can. Learn something new every day, I guess.

(That rule is new this year, right? So last year if NU scored when they were 6-on-5 at the Beanpot, the goal couldn't have been overturned, but this year, it could have been - right? I googled it and saw the QMJHL instituted this rule this season but couldn't find information about the college rule.)


So..... both wingers were offsides. HA!

I may be jumping to conclusions here, but from the quotes I'm seeing, York seems very confident on the rule change and knows the rules and took care of business last night and the Umass coaches didn't and are asking for clarification and want to hear from the league and director of officials. Is anyone surprised that York is on top of things?


And how about you try and actually read the memo. It says "in order to clarify, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, internet video replay WILL NO LONGER be allowed"

It never says the officials were wrong in what they did, etc.

How about you read this one. Idiot.

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/11/15_bertagna_officials_erred.php

J.D.
11-16-2013, 06:31 AM
So I'm the idiot for calling you out for misrepresenting what YOU initially provided? Get your ducks in a row next time. Now, carry on with the belly aching over how your team should have been credited with an illegal goal. I still love that logic.

FiveHole12
11-16-2013, 06:32 AM
How about you read this one. Idiot.

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/11/15_bertagna_officials_erred.php
Which now begs the question... why was Micheletto allowed to request a review, and receive, of Boston College's first goal last night. The goal was overturned.

That review last night had payback written all over it.

J.D.
11-16-2013, 06:36 AM
Jesus christ, I just read it and even bertagna says the memo sent in the summer "but it did not really define what it meant by televised games".

You really are an asshat.

J.D.
11-16-2013, 06:40 AM
He went on to defend the officials by saying "in fairness to them, etc."

I love how we're holding people accountable for ultimately getting a crucial call correct. What a grave injustice foor poor old umass.

J.D.
11-16-2013, 06:44 AM
When will joe come out and say the call on santini was wrong? Today??? Not holding my breath.

FiveHole12
11-16-2013, 07:13 AM
"Well, over the summer, the NCAA decided to expand that to any televised games, but it did not really define what it meant by televised games."

"I believe our officials erred twice," Bertagna said. "First, Boston College made the request to look at the review for an offside after taking their timeout, and that's not a situation you can request, so they didn't have the right to go to review even though Boston College called a timeout. Second, the game was streamed but that's not a television game. In fairness to the referees, the memo that went out in July (explaining the change in protocol) didn't establish what a television game was.

"(Friday) afternoon I called the NCAA and they issued a statement that this is not the type of play the referees had the right to overtun for offsides. We're going to take the rare step of issuing a statement (Saturday) to acknowledge they got it wrong in this application of the rulebook. Our players and our coaches are held accountable and we have to hold the officials accountable as well."
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/11/15_bertagna_officials_erred.php

LOL... Joe Bertagna starts out saying that the NCCA did not define televised games so he, nor anyone else, actually knows at the time if the call is reviewable or not. BUT... let me throw the refs under the bus anyway... "I believe our officials erred twice,".

Then he goes on to say, again... "In fairness to the referees, the memo that went out in July (explaining the change in protocol) didn't establish what a television game was."

BUT, again, even though the refs, or Bertagna, actually don't know what the correct ruling would be at the time, the refs need to be squashed by the bus anyway... "(Friday) afternoon I called the NCAA and they issued a statement that this is not the type of play the referees had the right to overtun for offsides. We're going to take the rare step of issuing a statement (Saturday) to acknowledge they got it wrong in this application of the rulebook. Our players and our coaches are held accountable and we have to hold the officials accountable as well."

This blame game sounds like something that would come out of the White House, not a hockey commissioner. :eek: :p

sterlippo1
11-16-2013, 07:15 AM
We got what we deserved last night. One point. Why is every game with these guys like scratching a blackboard? When I saw santini's hit, I thought it was a garbage call but expected them do do exactly what they did........ Almost got a shorty in OT. .......Billet looked really comfortable and in control, good to see. Tough stretch coming with @ H, @ Maine and home and home with suddenly hot UNH and the breather vs The Cross in the middle. Need to go 3-1-1 minimum and I'll be satisfied. Not taking two points last night sucked

claver2010
11-16-2013, 07:17 AM
4-0-1 at the quarter point of the HE schedule not bad

TonyTheTiger20
11-16-2013, 09:57 AM
Which now begs the question... why was Micheletto allowed to request a review, and receive, of Boston College's first goal last night. The goal was overturned.

That review last night had payback written all over it.
I agree with this, overturning BC's first goal today really smells funny now that this has all come out. I'll try to GIF the situation early this afternoon so we can see just how bad or not bad the call was.


4-0-1 at the quarter point of the HE schedule not bad
Not great either when you consider that the games were against NU, UMass, and an apparently horrific BU team.

Also, can anyone come up with a good reason why 'online streams' are not reviewable but televised games are? That makes no sense.

jjmc85
11-16-2013, 10:07 AM
So I'm the idiot for calling you out for misrepresenting what YOU initially provided? Get your ducks in a row next time. Now, carry on with the belly aching over how your team should have been credited with an illegal goal. I still love that logic.

Yes. You are an idiot. The memo is to clarify the what was released in July. It isn't to change anything. It clarifies it. Do you know what clarify means? If not, let me know and I'll post a definition for you.

I misrepresented nothing. You misinterpreted the post because you are an idiot. I hope this CLARIFIES my previous posts for you. Not that this is not CHANGE. You misinterpreted the link before because you were an idiot and you needed clarification because you were an idiot. This clarification does not change the fact you are an idiot. I assumed you were intelligent enough to understand the link without having everything spelled out for you. This was my mistake.

By the way, if we look at the rule as a whole, as we will below, and not cherry pick it by erasing the bolded section heading, it becomes quite clear that the officials were not allowed to review this call. Unfortunately, it seems that our beloved Hockey East Refs have the same reading comprehension skills as J.D.


93.4 NCAA Tournament Competition - During NCAA competition that is
televised and where a video replay official is in use, game officials may
use replay to correct an error on calling an offside or too many players on
the ice that directly leads to a goal.

For those of who need everything clearly spelled out for them, if you click this link: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/IH14.pdf and scroll down to the very bottom of page 86 of the document (which is labelled page 83, again for those that need everything CLARIFIED) you will see this in it's entirety.

Lastly, there is a huge difference between a missed call and not knowing the rule. No one is perfect and blown calls happen. I get that. But doing something completely against the rules is incompetence at its finest.

Good day to you all.

jjmc85
11-16-2013, 10:09 AM
Also, can anyone come up with a good reason why 'online streams' are not reviewable but televised games are? That makes no sense.
I believe there is concern over the quality of the online feed in use of replay. Whether that concern is justifiable or not is debatable.

J.D.
11-16-2013, 10:14 AM
Hey you can only beat who's on the schedule. No bad losses so far on the year. No shame in losing at michigan and minnesota.

And completely agree that whether or not the game is on tv should be irrelevant. If you are able to clearly see something, the correct call should be made. If you don't have a clear view, call on the ice stands. How freakin hard is that?