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claver2010
11-15-2013, 09:11 AM
edit - their fans want the coaches to protest this game. Ahahahahahhhahahahaha.

ps - DOWN WITH DONAHUE! One last nugget of turd Bates needs to clean up that Gene left us.

1) Following their fans and radio announcers b ! t c h ! n g was absolutely hilaroius

2) Yup. Though I wasn't thrilled with Addazio looks like Bates made a good hire, time for him to make another one.

mookie1995
11-15-2013, 09:13 AM
A coach then needs to call timeout to allow the officials to review a goal?
Or are all "scoring plays" now subject to review?

What about that goal Ben smith scored because gerbe slashed the bu d'man and broke his arm creating a 3x1?? No penalty was called (of course)--- so this new "rule" would have disallowed the goal, but would the mighty midget have picked up a minor too??

:D

joegrav
11-15-2013, 09:16 AM
<img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MO3r4PSNh7o/UoWXokmqpBI/AAAAAAAAAbY/Mc-dNVwSC7M/w639-h360-no/Offside.gif">

Not even questionable or controversial unless you're a UMass homer. Offsides. I had no idea you could actually review that, so I was confused at first, too -- but as it turns out, you can. Learn something new every day, I guess.

(That rule is new this year, right? So last year if NU scored when they were 6-on-5 at the Beanpot, the goal couldn't have been overturned, but this year, it could have been - right? I googled it and saw the QMJHL instituted this rule this season but couldn't find information about the college rule.)

BCeagle
11-15-2013, 09:32 AM
Roads wins at Umass in front of those foul mouthed nitwits are never easy to come by.

Team needs to stay out of the box. Matheson really is a knucklehead with the number of penalties he takes.

edit - their fans want the coaches to protest this game. Ahahahahahhhahahahaha.

ps - DOWN WITH DONAHUE! One last nugget of turd Bates needs to clean up that Gene left us.

To be honest I didn't hear any profanity from where I was sitting in section D, opposite to where the students were sitting. It wasn't just Matheson, but the team is in the bad habit of taking bad penalties of late. Hayes had one too and of course, Santini in the previous game. Contact to the head seems to be common theme. They need to be more in control and disciplined. A good team would have taken advantage of these but fortunately, UMass only had 1 goal.

The rink is not bad and I didn't realize this was an Olympic sized rink being my 1st trip to Mullins. Getting back was a trip for me though in the dark. I need a better GPS )

Are you talking about the Basketball coach ?

Nick Papagiorgio
11-15-2013, 09:46 AM
Not even questionable or controversial unless you're a UMass homer. Offsides. I had no idea you could actually review that, so I was confused at first, too -- but as it turns out, you can. Learn something new every day, I guess.

(That rule is new this year, right? So last year if NU scored when they were 6-on-5 at the Beanpot, the goal couldn't have been overturned, but this year, it could have been - right? I googled it and saw the QMJHL instituted this rule this season but couldn't find information about the college rule.)

So..... both wingers were offsides. HA!

I may be jumping to conclusions here, but from the quotes I'm seeing, York seems very confident on the rule change and knows the rules and took care of business last night and the Umass coaches didn't and are asking for clarification and want to hear from the league and director of officials. Is anyone surprised that York is on top of things?

J.D.
11-15-2013, 09:49 AM
Agree 100%, just said it to a friend. I thought he had a shot here but clearly it's not working

This was supposed to be an NIT team with next year really being the year for a breakthrough and legit run at NCAA tourney. Not anymore. I have no idea what's happened, but when you score 90+ against Toledo, you shouldn't be in danger of losing the game, never mind actually losing. Seems like a nice guy and things were on the upswing, but barring a dramatic turnaround this season, he very well could be gone after this year.


Never really understood the call. It was certainly offsides when the puck came into the zone, but not by the time it entered the goal. DeSimone (I think) had cleared the zone first. If Cannata had stopped it, play would have continued.

You can dump the puck in while a teammate is still in the zone and it used to be that if the shot went on goal, they would blow the play dead. Now, they even let that go. However, if the puck goes in the net, they are supposed to blow the play dead for offsides regardless of whether or not the guy cleared the zone before the puck went in.


A coach then needs to call timeout to allow the officials to review a goal?
Or are all "scoring plays" now subject to review?

Refs can still review plays they think should be reviewed. With this case, doesn't sound like they had any intention of reviewing it. So, the other newer option is for a coach to call a timeout and request they look at it. If the call is reversed, you don't lose the timeout you took.

J.D.
11-15-2013, 10:01 AM
86.3 Disallowed Goal - If the puck enters the defending team’s goal during a
delayed offside or immediately after the offside, the goal is disallowed. The
faceoff will be in the neutral zone at the faceoff spot nearest the attacking
zone of the offending team, if the puck was carried offside. The faceoff shall
be at the nearest spot in the zone of the origin of the pass, if passed offside.

J.D.
11-15-2013, 10:02 AM
Aerman, here is the clearest description from the rule book:

If a puck is shot on goal during a delayed offside, the play shall be
allowed to continue under the normal clearing the zone rules. Should
the puck enter the defending team’s goal during a delayed offside, either
directly or off the goalkeeper, a player or an on-ice official, the goal shall be
disallowed. The fact that the attacking team may have cleared the zone prior
to the puck entering the goal has no bearing on this ruling.

The only way an attacking team can score a goal on a delayed offside
situation is if the defending team shoots or puts the puck into their own net
without action or contact by the offending team.

mookie1995
11-15-2013, 10:24 AM
I think (pretty sure) all rinks are set up with the overhead cam atop net/goal line for review (right).

Umass/bu/bc have video scoreboards for officials to use --like last night I assume (this game wasn't on TV, was it??? [mookie was watching The Warriors any whos :D])

But how then would Merrimack have the ability to video review something like this??

Nick Papagiorgio
11-15-2013, 10:31 AM
I think (pretty sure) all rinks are set up with the overhead cam atop net/goal line for review (right).

Umass/bu/bc have video scoreboards for officials to use --like last night I assume (this game wasn't on TV, was it??? [mookie was watching The Warriors any whos :D])

But how then would Merrimack have the ability to video review something like this??

Are you feeling ok today mookie? What in the world are you babbling about? You sound like you put on your tin foil hat and started dreaming up imaginary things with Colby Cohen after reading an article from Mary Carmichael.

All rinks in the league have overhead cameras. Video scoreboards are irrelevant. The refs review on a monitor either in the penalty box or tunnel area of the rink. Most rinks also have additional camera feeds (PPV through each team's website, televised games, scoreboard feeds, etc) that can be used for review as well on the monitor.

J.D.
11-15-2013, 10:39 AM
i'm telling you, dave in st. paul has rubbed off on mookie

BCJacket5
11-15-2013, 10:55 AM
Give a lot of credit to Jerry on this. Knowing the rule book should a pretty basic requirement for a head coach, but you would be surprised how many times coaches don't know subtle rules, especially when they change like this. Clearly Micheletto didn't know the new rule. But Jerry was right on top of it.

How often does the save of the game come from the head coach?

Aerman
11-15-2013, 11:48 AM
Aerman, here is the clearest description from the rule book:

If a puck is shot on goal during a delayed offside, the play shall be
allowed to continue under the normal clearing the zone rules. Should
the puck enter the defending teamís goal during a delayed offside, either
directly or off the goalkeeper, a player or an on-ice official, the goal shall be
disallowed. The fact that the attacking team may have cleared the zone prior
to the puck entering the goal has no bearing on this ruling.

The only way an attacking team can score a goal on a delayed offside
situation is if the defending team shoots or puts the puck into their own net
without action or contact by the offending team.

Thanks JD. :)

Nick Papagiorgio
11-15-2013, 11:56 AM
Give a lot of credit to Jerry on this. Knowing the rule book should a pretty basic requirement for a head coach, but you would be surprised how many times coaches don't know subtle rules, especially when they change like this. Clearly Micheletto didn't know the new rule. But Jerry was right on top of it.

How often does the save of the game come from the head coach?

When it's Jerry York, it's a lot more than other coaches. The man is on top of these things like no one else. And he's also a gamechanger when it comes to calling his timeout - no one else out there has the sense of when to use it like he does. There are many examples of him using the timeout to change the complexion of a game.

claver2010
11-15-2013, 12:43 PM
When it's Jerry York, it's a lot more than other coaches. The man is on top of these things like no one else. And he's also a gamechanger when it comes to calling his timeout - no one else out there has the sense of when to use it like he does. There are many examples of him using the timeout to change the complexion of a game.

One of most notable, Miami in 2008

mookie1995
11-15-2013, 01:27 PM
One of most notable, Miami in 2008

Don't forget the timeout he took in the hea semi finals last year vs bu.... WHOOPS!!!! :D


---Mookie is doing ok. He just had no clue Merrimack has an in house dude running video at center ice in case a review was needed to check for offsides ;)
Go figure

sterlippo1
11-15-2013, 02:08 PM
One of most notable, Miami in 2008

sigh.................that thriller was a game changer for the program, IMO

mpereira
11-15-2013, 02:18 PM
When it's Jerry York, it's a lot more than other coaches. The man is on top of these things like no one else. And he's also a gamechanger when it comes to calling his timeout - no one else out there has the sense of when to use it like he does. There are many examples of him using the timeout to change the complexion of a game.

Despite the fact that the correct call was made in the end, the review itself was illegal and shouldn't have happened. You can't review offsides unless it is an NCAA tournament game which I do not believe last night was. That crook Jerry up to his usual tricks .

93.4 NCAA Tournament Competition - During NCAA competition that is
televised and where a video replay official is in use, game officials may
use replay to correct an error on calling an offside or too many players on
the ice that directly leads to a goal.

Feel free to rest of the rules here(page 83) (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/IH14.pdf) but you aren't allowed to "challenge" an offsides during a regular season game. Will be interesting to see how HE responds to the protest when they know one of their refs messed up big time(No surprise with Bunyon though)

Nick Papagiorgio
11-15-2013, 02:20 PM
Mookie is doing ok.

Relatively speaking, for mookie standards...



sigh.................that thriller was a game changer for the program, IMO

That's a good point. When I made that post I knew someone would bring up that timeout. Of course there are two people that sit and watch their teams implode like no other, and one of them ironically was on the bench next to BC. After a rough string of luck from 03-07 (Eaves suspension in 2003 during the loss to Cornell, 2004 semi loss to Maine, 2005 no-show vs. NDakota, Harrold post at buzzer in 06 title game, Boyle gets stoned by Lerg in 2007 and then melts down completely), 2008 was about to go south with BC blowing a 3rd period lead yet again to Miami. They were getting run out of the building in overtime. It's also a classic example for the knuckle draggers that say Muse did nothing to help BC win... he stood on his hand while the team napped before that time out.

You could argue that timeout changed the entire history of BC hockey like the Kennedy assassination changed the entire decade of the 1960's as we approach the 50th anniversary of that sad day. Up to that point, it was kind of like a "thank God for Krys Kolanos" feeling, especially after they blew it again in 2007 with some phenomenal teams from 04-07.

Nick Papagiorgio
11-15-2013, 02:32 PM
Despite the fact that the correct call was made in the end, the review itself was illegal and shouldn't have happened. You can't review offsides unless it is an NCAA tournament game which I do not believe last night was. That crook Jerry up to his usual tricks .

93.4 NCAA Tournament Competition - During NCAA competition that is
televised and where a video replay official is in use, game officials may
use replay to correct an error on calling an offside or too many players on
the ice that directly leads to a goal.

Feel free to rest of the rules here(page 83) (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/IH14.pdf) but you aren't allowed to "challenge" an offsides during a regular season game. Will be interesting to see how HE responds to the protest when they know one of their refs messed up big time(No surprise with Bunyon though)

The right call was made. UMass should stop crying and figure out how to enter the zone after the puck and go back to doing what they do best, rioting when Boston sports teams win since no one on their campus can win.

It's stupid we're arguing something where it says that in any game you can use "NCAA Championship Procedures".