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walrus
05-27-2013, 09:36 AM
It will all depend on who he hires for Assistants,he may have a Veteran Assistant along with a so called up and coming Assistant that he would take under his wing/show him the ropes and get the experience behind the bench and the recruiting trail,could be a worth while hiring down the road say 8 to 10 years...maybe..???
Can't wait to find out who he does hire to help him run the program.

Ma#1ne Hky
05-27-2013, 09:59 AM
Can't wait to find out who he does hire to help him run the program.It feels GOOD to feel GOOD about Maine Hockey again...its been long over due.

Chuck Murray
05-27-2013, 10:38 AM
OK here's the practical point about Corkum's post-firing comments about TW ... it's not that what he said was "wrong" or that he didn't have the "right" to say what he did. It is however a practical issue for the CURRENT UMaine coach to know that Corkum had openly campaigned for the top post, and part of that campaign was to harpoon TW after he was fired. If I'm Gendron, that tells me (1) the guy will probably continue to harbor his own agenda and aspirations for what is now MY job, and (2) if he never said anything to TW's face about disagreeing with his direction - and I admit we don't know that, but can reasonably assume TW would have dropped Corkum if they did squabble privately - then how can I trust him to buy into MY program going forward? And I'm 110% sure that Gendron will talk to TW before he would even consider retaining Corkum.

Listen, I said at the time of Corkum's comments that it was a ballsy "all or nothing" gamble for the top job from a position of weakness (i.e. assistant on a losing program). BC clearly felt he needed to distance himself from TW's ways, and he did so. But in failing to land the top job, he knows the score, and it's not likely he would be coming back.

IF he does, then more power to him and UMaine, and Coach Gendron is a lot more trusting than most coaches at that level would be under the circumstances. JMHO.

BassAle
05-27-2013, 11:52 AM
OK here's the practical point about Corkum's post-firing comments about TW ... it's not that what he said was "wrong" or that he didn't have the "right" to say what he did. It is however a practical issue for the CURRENT UMaine coach to know that Corkum had openly campaigned for the top post, and part of that campaign was to harpoon TW after he was fired. If I'm Gendron, that tells me (1) the guy will probably continue to harbor his own agenda and aspirations for what is now MY job, and (2) if he never said anything to TW's face about disagreeing with his direction - and I admit we don't know that, but can reasonably assume TW would have dropped Corkum if they did squabble privately - then how can I trust him to buy into MY program going forward? And I'm 110% sure that Gendron will talk to TW before he would even consider retaining Corkum.

Listen, I said at the time of Corkum's comments that it was a ballsy "all or nothing" gamble for the top job from a position of weakness (i.e. assistant on a losing program). BC clearly felt he needed to distance himself from TW's ways, and he did so. But in failing to land the top job, he knows the score, and it's not likely he would be coming back.

IF he does, then more power to him and UMaine, and Coach Gendron is a lot more trusting than most coaches at that level would be under the circumstances. JMHO.

I agree. He went all in throwing TW under the bus and he lost the hand.

sisu458
05-27-2013, 12:14 PM
I'm not as sanguine re: Gendron as most of you are. He's a good guy, and a Maine home-boy, yes... But I was looking for a starving and young up-and-comer who was willing to stake his entire professional career on the job, a la Walsh.

Such a risk with the program isn't realistic anymore. Maine is no longer the nobody it was in 1984. UMO needs a proven winner that can bring excitement back.

Priceless
05-27-2013, 01:18 PM
It's official (http://www.goblackbears.com/sports/m-hockey/2012-13/releases/201305276db48a)

walrus
05-27-2013, 02:08 PM
Just noticed another thing about Red, Masters Degree when he was Asst at Maine

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/27/sports/umaine-names-red-gendron-its-fourth-head-mens-ice-hockey-coach/?ref=comments

Hoover
05-27-2013, 05:32 PM
It feels GOOD to feel GOOD about Maine Hockey again...its been long over due.

I think Red Gendron will turn out to be a good hire. He has ties to Maine hockey, he's had a hand in several successes at the collegiate and professional level, and he's praised as a guy who's respected for his work ethic, innovation, and knowledge of how to get the most/best from those he works with.He's also well aware of how important the success of the Black Bears is to the entire State of Maine, as I believe they are "bigger" than even the AHL Pirates in terms of state-wide interest (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I don't live in Maine but follow the goings-on closely).

Another poster here was lamenting the fact that Gendron is older than he/she was hoping for in a new coach, but I think he'll bring a sense of calm to the situation and to those who are familiar with his body of work. Of course, results do matter - Gendron is who they have now, and I'm encouraged for the immediate future of the program and will enjoy the new season rather than grind on about who should have been hired or who they missed out on like so many in this thread probably will.

I was sitting next to a fellow Fan Forum member as we watched the third period of the Frozen Four Championship game and for a moment we were talking about Red Gendron. In the back of my mind I thought he might be a good replacement for Tim Whithead if the rumours circulating that weekend of his impending dismissal turned out to be true. I admit that at the time I fell into the "Jim Montgomery has to be the next one..." group, but the events of the past several weeks have led me to think there would have been unrealistic expectations if he went to Orono. I'm satisfied with the hiring of Dennis "Red" Gendron and I'm looking forward to the next season to begin.

Priceless
05-27-2013, 05:58 PM
From email:


Dennis "Red" Gendron has been named University of Maine head men's ice hockey coach by UMaine President Paul Ferguson and Director of Athletics Steve Abbott. Gendron, who has won two NCAA Hockey National Championships and an NHL Stanley Cup as an assistant coach, will be formally announced as Maine's head coach in a series of events on Tuesday, May 28, 2013. The media along with University of Maine athletic fans and the public are invited to attend these events.

Gendron will be introduced in a press conference at 1 PM at Alfond Arena. He will speak to the media and be available for individual interviews following the official news conference. He will also be available to greet fans in the Alfond Family Lounge after the press conference.

At 5 PM on Tuesday evening, Gendron will be at Season's Grille, located at 427 Main Street in Bangor. Everyone is encouraged to come out and welcome Coach Gendron to Maine and the start of a new era in Maine hockey. Members of the 2013-14 Maine hockey team will be in attendance during the day as well.

Gendron's first college hockey coaching experience was with the Black Bears, where he assisted Coach Shawn Walsh with the 1993 NCAA Division I National Championship team.

In his 34-year coaching career, Gendron has worked with championship teams at all levels. At Bellows Free Academy in Vermont, he guided squads to four state championships in the 1980s. Gendron earned three NHL championship rings as a coach and has twice had his name engraved on the Stanley Cup. He was an assistant coach for the New Jersey Devils when they captured the Stanley Cup in 1995, and was an assistant and head coach, respectively, with their AHL team in Albany when the Devils won the Stanley Cup in 2000 and 2003. The last two seasons, Gendron was associate head coach at Yale University; the Bulldogs earned the 2013 NCAA Division I National Championship.

"Our primary goal in this search was to find an individual who could bring the best balance to our men's hockey program as a nationally competitive team on the ice and support our student-athletes' preparation for the future based upon solid academic foundations," says President Ferguson. "We are so pleased to have found that individual in Red Gendron, who personifies that balance. His personal passion for the Black Bears and UMaine is extraordinary and will no doubt unite the Black Bear Nation."

Abbott says Gendron "truly appreciates both the history of this great hockey program and the potential that exists here to compete for Hockey East and national championships. He is an enthusiastic competitor who loves this university and is passionate about Maine hockey."

BlackI
05-27-2013, 08:02 PM
I like the choice. But I wish Corkum to stay on as top assistant. It goes without saying he has earned it. And I would look now towards hiring another good assistant to compliment these two. This could be outstanding if we can keep Corkum on crew with Gendron and get a strong recruiter type. I will give big thumbs up. Corkum should stay on because there isn't much for him to lose and there won't be a very long number of years(to wait-given he has made his money and/or bones). Wish he stays on. But know if he can't. But wish he would to be a part of a success story. Corkum could make it happen. To me, the best thing to give me hope as a Mainer would be Gendron and Bobby working it out. That would be a remedy to fill the seats. Think about it.

jnacc
05-27-2013, 08:03 PM
He does have experience at a many different levels and has won a lot...me thinks that this will turn out to be a good hire! Congrats Maine and I'm sure your program will not hit a sand bar and sink to the bottom of the lake like LSSU did....

all bear
05-27-2013, 08:23 PM
I'd be good with either way he goes with assistant coaches. Its his decision to make and his program to guide. Congrats Red Gendron. May the force be with you.

Fishman'81
05-28-2013, 01:43 AM
Red wasn't really on my personal radar, but he has an impressive resume at many different levels and strong Maine ties... And it sounds like he's still in touch with Grant.

Anyway, the deal is done for the time being, and I wish him every success.

northeastern
05-28-2013, 09:37 AM
Good man, g'luck.

Pink Pony
05-28-2013, 09:40 AM
Red wasn't really on my personal radar, but he has an impressive resume at many different levels and strong Maine ties... And it sounds like he's still in touch with Grant.

Anyway, the deal is done for the time being, and I wish him every success.

Red has the Shawn Walsh connections and success after he left Maine.

revoman
05-28-2013, 09:47 AM
So...it looks like, from the Bangor Daily article, Red will talk with Bob and with Dan about their jobs.

Hey Bob...This would be a good time to explain to Red about your letter to the masses. You don't owe anyone on here an explanation. We get it.

Gendron fits the bill for what "we" on here were asking for; Maine ties, recruiting experience, success at multiple levels, ties to "The Season"...

My wish list: Gendron, Corkum and Perron...

Chuck Murray
05-28-2013, 09:55 AM
I like the choice. But I wish Corkum to stay on as top assistant. It goes without saying he has earned it.

Not sure what "goes without saying". There's a long line of assistant coaches who were with losing programs who are now out of D-1 hockey, or working at lower/other levels of hockey, or out of hockey entirely. Obviously you have positive feelings about Corkum, and his involvement in the UMaine program as a player and a coach. But let's not overstate what he's "earned".


To me, the best thing to give me hope as a Mainer would be Gendron and Bobby working it out. That would be a remedy to fill the seats. Think about it.

See, that's the problem. Coach Gendron shouldn't have to "work it out" when it comes to hiring his own staff as an incoming head coach. It's not his issue that Corkum didn't get the job. But let's just play make-believe, and walk a few questions into a would-be interview between Coach Gendron and Coach Corkum:

RG: Howdy Bob. How's things?

BC: Supah, Red. Congrats BTW on getting the job. I hope I can help you out next season.

RG: Let's talk about that then. I know you wanted to be on this side of the desk for this interview, and I respect all that you've done for the University and this program in the past as a player and as a coach. But I noticed you had some interesting things to say a few weeks ago about Coach Whitehead after his departure. Care to elaborate?

BC: Sure, Red. You know, you coached with Coach Walsh in the past, and I played for Coach Walsh. We both know the "Black Bear Way", and I also knew Coach Whitehead wasn't thinking along those same lines, and running things differently than when you guys and Grant were running the show. I kept my mouth shut, did what Tim asked me to do, and was a good soldier. It was frustrating at times. So when Coach Whitehead was fired, and they hired me as an interim coach, I wanted to make sure everyone knew I wasn't going to go down the Coach Whitehead path. I want to do something more like the good old days with Coach Walsh ...

RG: (to himself) He just said "want" and not "wanted". Hmmmm ...

BC: ... where we play hard and with an edge, and teach kids the right way to play. Make them into future pros, or at least give them future pro careers at some level. But play the game the right way, and the way that will pack out Alfond, just like we did in the old days.

RG: (to himself) He's making assumptions about how my program is going to play. Let's test that ...

RG: Thanks for the insight, Bob. Listen, I know we all have ideas and asiprations about the "right" way and the "wrong" way, and sometimes those things change over time. Heck, look at the way the Black Bears won back in the '90's, and compare that with how the Devils won a decade ago, and more recently with how Yale won last season. I'm not sure there is ever a set magic formula that lasts forever. Other than death and taxes, anyway. I've spent almost my entire coaching career in your shoes, working for a lot of different guys with different ideas, and I've seen success come in a lot of different ways. I've also seen teams come up short, and I have a lot of thoughts and ideas why that might have happened. But I don't think I've ever come out in print being critical of one of my superiors - even after the fact.

BC: Understood. I did what I thought I had to, under the circumstances. Heck, I bleed Maine blue. Nothing I said was inaccurate, and I think most UMaine fans would agree.

RG: Understood as well, Bob. But listen - let's cut to the chase. I've been a career assistant - just like you are now - for a LOT longer than you have, and at times I've had to bite my tongue and go along with something that my bosses have said that I disagreed with to the core. It happens to everyone at some point, in all walks of life, and while maybe no one cares when some junior associate patent attorney disagrees with a senior partner in their firm to the point that it shows up on Twitter, Facebook or the Daily News, in our business, that does happen, and public opinion does count for something in our "business". So, at the end of the day, tell me why after all these years of assisting other folks' programs, and finally getting the only head coaching job I ever really wanted this late in my career, how is it that I can or should trust that I'll have your 100% backing??

BC: ... (this either makes or breaks it) ...

IF you are Coach Corkum, how do you answer that in a way that erases any doubts Coach Gendron might have about your loyalty?

My apologies for taking some liberties with some of the phrasing (i.e. "Black Bear Way") here. :)

Runsub5
05-28-2013, 10:43 AM
Corkum and Kerluke failed to recruit more than 1 or 2 quality players each year. In my opinion they should also go. I am sure Red has his own network of potential coaches who have far more connections to talent.

revoman
05-28-2013, 10:47 AM
IF you are Coach Corkum, how do you answer that in a way that erases any doubts Coach Gendron might have about your loyalty?



There is no single correct answer to that question. The loyalty, while it would be nice to be with the coach, really belongs with the program and the stakeholders in the program. Bob has shown that he can "toe the line" even though he has significant reservations about the directives coming from the top. He also showed his passion for the program and desire to see these kids succeed. Did he choose the right forum to voice his opinion? Maybe, maybe not. His choosing this forum and the Facebook forum to publish his letter kind of tipped his (and Tim's) hand as to just how much the (former) coaching staff actually read/paid attention to what was said here....or at least to how much what was said actually got into Tim's head. (Enough that he gave us all a collective nickname)

Flipping the question to you...what would BC have to say to pass muster for you?

gscott13
05-28-2013, 10:51 AM
i think this whole bob corkum letter as it relates to any possible gendron/corkum relationship is a bit overblown... the reality is that red knows that bob was a finalist for the position and that in of itself will need to be addressed... essentially a conversation that is simply, "bob, i know you wanted the position, but i need to know before i extend you, that you are going to be able to handle me coming in as your new boss and that i have 100% support from you in that regard."

that conversation is going to happen. if bob convinces red that he is on board 100% and that there will not be any difficulties, then any concerns over "the letter" will similarly be put to rest...

i still think kerluke needs to go. can keep one, but not both.