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BoSox3066
05-02-2013, 10:48 AM
ESPN says Gwoz in "intense" discussions with UConn.....as the world turns. I figured salary would be an issue with Maine talked to him but whats UConn pay? Makes you wonder

Priceless
05-02-2013, 10:57 AM
ESPN says Gwoz in "intense" discussions with UConn.....as the world turns. I figured salary would be an issue with Maine talked to him but whats UConn pay? Makes you wonder

UConn makes enough cash from their hoops programs to make it worthwhile. Plus the administration at UConn is more progressive than Maine and view his salary as an investment in the program's future rather than an expense. It'd be interesting to see where hockey fits on the totem pole at UConn with Gwoz as coach. t would certainly be a loud splash for the new program in Hockey East.

Also, it isn't just "ESPN" reporting this, it's John Buccigross, who does know his way around a hockey rink unlike just about everyone else in the organization. If it was ESPN I'd question the legitimacy of the report. Considering who is actually reporting the story gives it substance.

Anyone with Photoshop skills want to do up a picture of Steve Abbott playing the fiddle while the room around him bursts into flame?

ETA: Wayne Smith - who started the College Hockey Discussion List back in the day - posted that word out of Naples (big college convention) is that Maine is offering less than TW's salary for the job.

amherstblackbear
05-02-2013, 01:12 PM
ETA: Wayne Smith - who started the College Hockey Discussion List back in the day - posted that word out of Naples (big college convention) is that Maine is offering less than TW's salary for the job.

Wayne may be completely credible, and that may be fact . . . but if it is, he's seriously holding back on details.

This isn't the Dunkin' Drive thru. You don't advertise a salary for a job like this. You negotiate salary.

So if word of a salary offer has leaked, then the more important information would be to know who got the offer.

Color me skeptical. I want a name.

Priceless
05-02-2013, 01:56 PM
Wayne may be completely credible, and that may be fact . . . but if it is, he's seriously holding back on details.

This isn't the Dunkin' Drive thru. You don't advertise a salary for a job like this. You negotiate salary.

So if word of a salary offer has leaked, then the more important information would be to know who got the offer.

Color me skeptical. I want a name.

The name is Corkum. :)


According to Mike Anthony at the Hartford Courant on Twitter: "David Berard and BC asst Mike Cavanaugh have interviewed for UConn hockey job. Other finalist is George Gwozdecky, who interviews today."

revoman
05-02-2013, 01:58 PM
The elephant in the room is this:

Athletics at the Division I level is a business venture, and should be looked at and handled as one.

The U is handling this as any governmental body or any academic body would: form a committee and study it for so long that the only solution left is either the path of least resistance or until your 'best' options have fallen off, leaving the decision pool to be the "lesser of remaining evils". The outward appearance is this: there is a fear of decision making.

This decision is going to "die in committee."

Priceless
05-02-2013, 02:42 PM
The elephant in the room is this:

Athletics at the Division I level is a business venture, and should be looked at and handled as one.

The U is handling this as any governmental body or any academic body would: form a committee and study it for so long that the only solution left is either the path of least resistance or until your 'best' options have fallen off, leaving the decision pool to be the "lesser of remaining evils". The outward appearance is this: there is a fear of decision making.

This decision is going to "die in committee."

Bingo!

The hockey program is an investment. Abbott already said they were counting on increased ticket sales and other revenue to help pay TW's buyout. If you looked at it from a business standpoint, Gwozdecky would be worth that investment and the return would be phenomenal. At this point, the potential return on a Coach Corkum is hardly worth the risk because the returns are limited and down side is remarkable.

dover4345
05-02-2013, 03:04 PM
Corkum was not the one watching the USHL and BCHL games. He will do well and needs to great asts/grunts who will beat the bushes. Then when they come to visit, they see Corkum. He will go to Buc Bowl and thats about it.

Corkum will do a great job, asts will be critical

So what your saying is that kerluke is the one to blame for the poor recruiting and that whitehead is the one to blame for the poor coaching? What exactly has corkum done since he's been at Maine then?

I get it that some people like corkum, but the reality is that he's has not proven that he can land top recruits, because he has not done it. He also has proven his ability to coach, because the team has been on the decline since the day he arrived. Blaming everything on whitehead is not the way to go, the assistants are the ones who are responsible for where to recruit, when to recruit, and what to offer. And if corkum didn't want to do that then one could assume he had a large role in the coaching aspect----which Maine fans seem to blame for the black bear demise....any way u slice it, corkum has had a hand in the program declining....

gscott13
05-02-2013, 03:19 PM
With the talks that UConn is down to three finalists including Gwozdecky, it'll be interesting to hear what their salary offer is and how it stacks up to other positions that have been filled. According to the Columbus Business Journal, Rohlick is getting $250k per year for 5 years. Gwoz was making roughly $220k at Denver before being fired so you figure Jimmy is somewhere in that ballpark.

As was mentioned, UConn's got infinitely deeper pockets than Maine so it'll be intriguing to see what they do.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/morning_call/2013/04/ohio-state-promotes-assistant-rohlik.html

Priceless
05-02-2013, 03:22 PM
So what your saying is that kerluke is the one to blame for the poor recruiting and that whitehead is the one to blame for the poor coaching? What exactly has corkum done since he's been at Maine then?

I get it that some people like corkum, but the reality is that he's has not proven that he can land top recruits, because he has not done it. He also has proven his ability to coach, because the team has been on the decline since the day he arrived. Blaming everything on whitehead is not the way to go, the assistants are the ones who are responsible for where to recruit, when to recruit, and what to offer. And if corkum didn't want to do that then one could assume he had a large role in the coaching aspect----which Maine fans seem to blame for the black bear demise....any way u slice it, corkum has had a hand in the program declining....

It's simpler than that. Anything good that happened was all Bob and everything bad that happened was all Tim. Sweep Boston College? Corkum took over the team that week. Swept by Lowell? All Tim. A kid becomes a Hobey Hat Trick finalist? Bob recruited him. A bust? That was Tim's recruit.

Priceless
05-02-2013, 03:25 PM
With the talks that UConn is down to three finalists including Gwozdecky, it'll be interesting to hear what their salary offer is and how it stacks up to other positions that have been filled. According to the Columbus Business Journal, Rohlick is getting $250k per year for 5 years. Gwoz was making roughly $220k at Denver before being fired so you figure Jimmy is somewhere in that ballpark.

As was mentioned, UConn's got infinitely deeper pockets than Maine so it'll be intriguing to see what they do.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/morning_call/2013/04/ohio-state-promotes-assistant-rohlik.html

I don't think Jimmy is anywhere near that ballpark. Gwoz was making that after 19 years and two national titles. How much do you suppose he was making when he first took the job? Same with Maine. UM was paying TW $195K after a decade on the job; how much did he make back in 2002?

gscott13
05-02-2013, 03:39 PM
I don't think Jimmy is anywhere near that ballpark. Gwoz was making that after 19 years and two national titles. How much do you suppose he was making when he first took the job? Same with Maine. UM was paying TW $195K after a decade on the job; how much did he make back in 2002?

market price. 20 years ago no coach was making that kind of money... I think he's within 90% of it, so call it $200k... If Gwoz was asking $250k to stay, then getting Jimmy at $200k would look like a bargain.

Maine apparently is going to offer whomever (Corkum) less than what TW made last year, but it will be more than what whitehead started at... I'm guessing he'll get $170-$175k and possibly that foolish (in the way it was described) COLA increase each year.

rufus
05-02-2013, 05:36 PM
The name is Corkum. :)

I thought he'd be taller.

Maine Pudge
05-03-2013, 05:47 AM
Nice to see Gustav be the hero in OT last night

http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=668998&navid=DL|DET|home

Maineiak
05-03-2013, 06:12 AM
...Abbott already said they were counting on increased ticket sales and other revenue to help pay TW's buyout.

This is not accurate. TW's buyout came strictly from donated money. No need to cover those funds with "ticket sales and other revenue".

gscott13
05-03-2013, 06:42 AM
This is not accurate. TW's buyout came strictly from donated money. No need to cover those funds with "ticket sales and other revenue".

"Athletic Director Steve Abbott has indicated that the Athletics Department is committed to reimbursing the president’s investment through anticipated revenues generated by renewing fan interest and increased ticket sales"

http://bangordailynews.com/slideshow/umaine-fires-mens-hockey-coach-tim-whitehead-2/

around the 3 minute mark
http://www.fandomsportsme.com/college-sports/college-sports/maine-ad-steve-abbott-on-the-firing-of-tim-whitehead

True Blue Fan
05-03-2013, 07:03 AM
"Athletic Director Steve Abbott has indicated that the Athletics Department is committed to reimbursing the president’s investment through anticipated revenues generated by renewing fan interest and increased ticket sales"

http://bangordailynews.com/slideshow/umaine-fires-mens-hockey-coach-tim-whitehead-2/

around the 3 minute mark
http://www.fandomsportsme.com/college-sports/college-sports/maine-ad-steve-abbott-on-the-firing-of-tim-whitehead

Nice little fantasy. Donor funds were used to payoff the final year. The information I have is that one donor put up the funds for the buyout.

I am in the minority apparently, I think Corkum would be a great hire and his enthusiasm and passion for Maine Hockey will bring the program back. The recruiting issue is a tough one, not one of us is really privy to anything that happens in regards to recruiting.

Drew S.
05-03-2013, 07:12 AM
Nice little fantasy. Donor funds were used to payoff the final year. The information I have is that one donor put up the funds for the buyout.

I am in the minority apparently, I think Corkum would be a great hire and his enthusiasm and passion for Maine Hockey will bring the program back. The recruiting issue is a tough one, not one of us is really privy to anything that happens in regards to recruiting.

I'm with you on Corkum. I'm pretty convinced that a lot of people would be unhappy regardless of who was picked. Look at the facts with Corkum; went to Maine, played a lot of games in the NHL, hard worker, and seems to be a man of high integrity. I honestly think him sticking with the team for so long shows loyalty and commitment more than anything else. It couldn't have been a lot of fun and it shows how much he cares about the program. Despite all this the grass will always be greener for a lot of folks.

Hokydad
05-03-2013, 07:30 AM
Nice little fantasy. Donor funds were used to payoff the final year. The information I have is that one donor put up the funds for the buyout.

I am in the minority apparently, I think Corkum would be a great hire and his enthusiasm and passion for Maine Hockey will bring the program back. The recruiting issue is a tough one, not one of us is really privy to anything that happens in regards to recruiting.

You are not in the minority at all. 3 or 4 people telling us 75 times a day how it is a mistake is not the majority, it is the vocal minority. The silent majority will be happy with the pick

Corkum was not the one out there beating the bushes in ushl and bchl, it was others. He needs to get aggresive assistants with connections in both leagues. He will make an occasional visit to a blue chip kid they really want, Beantowns, Chowder Cups etc. He will be back coaching and he will be the one who does the last meeting and offer when they visit. He runss the team, they do the grunt work

There are some good guys out there who would love to coach at maine who can get the kids in the door.
Corkum has to be the CLOSER, the one the parents and kids trust and want to get them to the next level. he has that pitch down and with his USA Hockey connections and coaching of natl teams, he has the political ties as well to build. A ton of high end guys wanted the Ivan Hinkla team this summer. USA hockey picked him.

He wasnt the one claiming to bleed blue and in the next sentence telling the papers, "this is the job I wanted" and then 20 minutes later telling maine hiow to do their search. He has done nothing but focus on MAINE HOCKEY AND HAS THE PRO MENTALITY AND BLINDERS ON. HE BLEEDS BLUE, NO ONE ELSE.

Allagash
05-03-2013, 07:43 AM
Tim worked tirelessly for Maine and was responsible for raising money (part of his job), for the Shawn Walsh Center and Alfond Arena renovation. Tim could only approve or disapprove the players that he was presented with by his recruiters. I don't think it is legitimate to blame Tim solely. He loved Maine hockey and left with dignity.

Yawn......

DoubleA
05-03-2013, 07:49 AM
Big smoke screen? Appearances? Who knows.I'm sticking with my original prediction... It's not Corkum. Too much wasted time and $$ to go thru all this and still have it be him.
I don't know who it will be, but I don't see Bob winning out over everyone else.