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4four4
04-11-2013, 11:54 AM
Take it for what its worth. The only certain thing none of the people associated with the conferences are talking to each other or to the public.

1.) With all the unrest it is literally a referee free for all out there. For example, within the next ten days to two weeks referees have to make a decision where they want to officiate. It looks like everyone of them will be receiving a raise, the BiG and the new conference seem to be throwing the most money at the best refs. For some of them the biggest decision will be travel because the WCHA and the BiG seem to have a wider geographic foot print than the new conference.

2.) It looks like the BiG teams will be scheduling their series differently than in the past. I asked why? Television. Don't be surprised if we see the end of the college hockey traditional Friday/Saturday series. It looks more like Friday night and Sunday afternoon or Sunday and Monday maybe a Thursday here or there. We might even see Minnesota vs. Michigan Friday night and then Minnesota travels to Michigan State for a Sunday afternoon game. The BTN doesn't want hockey and basketball to conflict at all, they would rather have winter programing seven days a week without conflicts so they can fill up their daily schedules. With the addition of Penn State the BTN demanded the conference form a hockey conference so Fox and the BiG can make even more money. Programming was super important to the BiG Ten.

3.) Sponsorship has already increased for the Big Ten schools and to a lesser extent the new conference. In fact the new conference already has better deals lined up than the old WCHA or CCHA ever did.

4.) The future is very uncertain. He said, "I wouldn't be surprised if we see five schools fold. Many of the schools across the country need to update their rinks to succeed in the new era or they will be gone." I asked which schools? He wouldn't get into it. He also said, IL, Iowa, and Nebraska have been rumored to be joining the ice box and are close. Some time ago UNO asked Nebraska to please not start up a hockey program in the same market until a certain amount of time passed. That agreement is coming to an end.

5.) I asked which conference made out the best with this restructure? BiG. The other schools in the country can't hold a candle to the Big Ten because they have the ability to make the most money. He went on to say how sad he is having to witness an end of an era. It will never be the same.

MavHockey14
04-11-2013, 12:03 PM
Iowa plays their games in the Coralville mall. They're not anywhere near getting a team.

FlagDUDE08
04-11-2013, 12:27 PM
Iowa plays their games in the Coralville mall. They're not anywhere near getting a team.

What's the rink quality? Potential BFB location for next year?

moose97
04-11-2013, 12:37 PM
What's the rink quality? Potential BFB location for next year?

Somehow, this is exactly what I would expect a rink in a mall to look like:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8450/8053184341_bba1edfd12_o.jpg

Hey - it's got a Scheels!

http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/coral-ridge.jpg

UncleRay
04-11-2013, 12:47 PM
Where's RedCow? He's been full of facts and the inside poop on Nebraska.

Tipsy McStagger
04-11-2013, 01:07 PM
Take it for what its worth. The only certain thing none of the people associated with the conferences are talking to each other or to the public.

1.) With all the unrest it is literally a referee free for all out there. For example, within the next ten days to two weeks referees have to make a decision where they want to officiate. It looks like everyone of them will be receiving a raise, the BiG and the new conference seem to be throwing the most money at the best refs. For some of them the biggest decision will be travel because the WCHA and the BiG seem to have a wider geographic foot print than the new conference.

2.) It looks like the BiG teams will be scheduling their series differently than in the past. I asked why? Television. Don't be surprised if we see the end of the college hockey traditional Friday/Saturday series. It looks more like Friday night and Sunday afternoon or Sunday and Monday maybe a Thursday here or there. We might even see Minnesota vs. Michigan Friday night and then Minnesota travels to Michigan State for a Sunday afternoon game. The BTN doesn't want hockey and basketball to conflict at all, they would rather have winter programing seven days a week without conflicts so they can fill up their daily schedules. With the addition of Penn State the BTN demanded the conference form a hockey conference so Fox and the BiG can make even more money. Programming was super important to the BiG Ten.

3.) Sponsorship has already increased for the Big Ten schools and to a lesser extent the new conference. In fact the new conference already has better deals lined up than the old WCHA or CCHA ever did.

4.) The future is very uncertain. He said, "I wouldn't be surprised if we see five schools fold. Many of the schools across the country need to update their rinks to succeed in the new era or they will be gone." I asked which schools? He wouldn't get into it. He also said, IL, Iowa, and Nebraska have been rumored to be joining the ice box and are close. Some time ago UNO asked Nebraska to please not start up a hockey program in the same market until a certain amount of time passed. That agreement is coming to an end.

5.) I asked which conference made out the best with this restructure? BiG. The other schools in the country can't hold a candle to the Big Ten because they have the ability to make the most money. He went on to say how sad he is having to witness an end of an era. It will never be the same.
Can you give any details on who "he" is? Or is this some random wine-o you bumped into in front of the liquor store?

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-11-2013, 01:14 PM
"I wouldn't be surprised if we see five schools fold. Many of the schools across the country need to update their rinks to succeed in the new era or they will be gone."

This is exactly the kind of horse**** that gets billionaire pro franchise owners to con states and municipalities into paying for brand new stadiums for them. I repeat, it's horse****. "You have to spend millions of dollars or you will lose money." People falling for that snake oil salespitch should be wearing dunce caps.

cF[Authentic]
04-11-2013, 01:17 PM
For some of them the biggest decision will be travel because the WCHA and the BiG seem to have a wider geographic foot print than the new conference.


What?

Colorado Springs to Oxford, OH is a lot further than Minneapolis to State College, PA. There are three trips in the NCHC that are further than the longest trip in the B1G.

aparch
04-11-2013, 02:30 PM
Regarding item #1, here's a Deadspin inspired average distance map. (Midpoint is the geographic center of all the teams, the ring represents the average "halfway" point every team is from the center.)

The old conferences:
<img src=http://www.nmubaseball.net/uscho/1213AvgDistance.jpg>

And the new conferences:
<img src=http://www.nmubaseball.net/uscho/1314AvgDistance.jpg>

ericredaxe
04-11-2013, 02:46 PM
Don't be surprised if we see the end of the college hockey traditional Friday/Saturday series. It looks more like Friday night and Sunday afternoon or Sunday and Monday maybe a Thursday here or there.

I know you are not talking about this happening out east... but if Hockey East went to primarially Sunday/Monday/Thrusday games I would think that ticket sales would drop drasticially. I know I'd be giving up my season tickets.

Nick Papagiorgio
04-11-2013, 03:12 PM
I know you are not talking about this happening out east... but if Hockey East went to primarially Sunday/Monday/Thrusday games I would think that ticket sales would drop drasticially. I know I'd be giving up my season tickets.

Absolutely.

FiveHole12
04-11-2013, 03:15 PM
This is exactly the kind of horse**** that gets billionaire pro franchise owners to con states and municipalities into paying for brand new stadiums for them. I repeat, it's horse****. "You have to spend millions of dollars or you will lose money." People falling for that snake oil salespitch should be wearing dunce caps.
Hey, they're politicians... whadaya expect?
The dunce caps are worn by the voters.

REDMEN2002
04-11-2013, 03:35 PM
I know you are not talking about this happening out east... but if Hockey East went to primarially Sunday/Monday/Thrusday games I would think that ticket sales would drop drasticially. I know I'd be giving up my season tickets.

There would be no reason to keep them if that happened in Hockey East. Can walk up day of game for any game, and I mean any game, and easily score two tickets.

SJHovey
04-11-2013, 03:41 PM
I know you are not talking about this happening out east... but if Hockey East went to primarially Sunday/Monday/Thrusday games I would think that ticket sales would drop drasticially. I know I'd be giving up my season tickets.I assume he's talking BTHC. They're the ones who will have to dance to the BTN.

I again find the money argument amusing. The fact other schools won't be able to match the financial revenue of BTHC schools.

Haven't Big 10 schools always had a huge institutional advantage over the other schools fielding hockey teams, most of them fairly small schools? Name recognition, size, alumni base, and certainly the BTN revenue. How does that advantage change, exactly? Is the BTN going to see a giant increase in revenue just because the BTHC formed?

Big 10 schools have resources other Division I programs can only dream of, but it's been that way from day 1.

4four4
04-11-2013, 03:50 PM
;5705759']What?

Colorado Springs to Oxford, OH is a lot further than Minneapolis to State College, PA. There are three trips in the NCHC that are further than the longest trip in the B1G.

Hey, this is what he told me.

4four4
05-08-2013, 02:46 PM
Rumor has it ten refs got to together and will be working for the Big Ten and the new league, everybody else didn't get that choice. All ten wanted to see how both leagues were run before they make their final decision.

dggoddard
05-08-2013, 03:09 PM
If the Big Ten isn't going to be playing on consecutive nights or just plays one game a weekend, then any refs who do travel face getting home far later on a Sunday or will only get paid for one game a weekend.

FlagDUDE08
05-08-2013, 03:14 PM
If the Big Ten isn't going to be playing on consecutive nights or just plays one game a weekend, then any refs who do travel face getting home far later on a Sunday or will only get paid for one game a weekend.

What's stopping them from being employed by both leagues? I know of plenty of ECAC refs who also ref Atlantic and/or Hockey East, not to mention some of them do AHL and/or ECHL work.

joecct
05-08-2013, 03:19 PM
The minute the big boys start talking money the littler gang are going to be trampled. I wonder if the NCAA will split all D-I sports into 1A and 1AA??

FlagDUDE08
05-08-2013, 03:33 PM
The minute the big boys start talking money the littler gang are going to be trampled. I wonder if the NCAA will split all D-I sports into 1A and 1AA??

You saying hockey's going to become such a cash cow that we're going to have to elevate our programs?