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Hokydad
04-08-2013, 12:10 PM
.....oooh, ooooh, I know! Vecchione,Taylor, Young. :D

For one, Vechionne. your **** right. he will be a very, very good player there and a crowd favorite. They always get made fun of by the RPI fans because they dont have the supposed rep some of the otehr players have but they come in and do well. just like they said Shayne G was an ok recruit and coming in to early, Welch, Simpson, Carr and several others. Remember RPI telling us Bodie was not close to Koudys.
safe to say Union knows how to evaluate talent

Vechionne had 3 more points this weekend in USHL on a team decimated with injuries. Will be ready for the fall

turk181
04-08-2013, 12:14 PM
For one, Vechionne. your **** right. he will be a very, very good player there and a crowd favorite. They always get made fun of by the RPI fans because they dont have the supposed rep some of the otehr players have but they come in and do well. just like they said Shayne G was an ok recruit and coming in to early, Welch, Simpson, Carr and several others. Remember RPI telling us Bodie was not close to Koudys.
safe to say Union knows how to evaluate talent

Vechionne had 3 more points this weekend in USHL on a team decimated with injuries. Will be ready for the falljust to be clear, I was making fun of all the posts but not about the talent of the 3 I mentioned....I could've also included Griff Martin.

Ralph Baer
04-08-2013, 12:23 PM
For one, Vechionne. your **** right. he will be a very, very good player there and a crowd favorite. They always get made fun of by the RPI fans because they dont have the supposed rep some of the otehr players have but they come in and do well. just like they said Shayne G was an ok recruit and coming in to early, Welch, Simpson, Carr and several others. Remember RPI telling us Bodie was not close to Koudys.
safe to say Union knows how to evaluate talent

Vechionne had 3 more points this weekend in USHL on a team decimated with injuries. Will be ready for the fall

Chris Heisenberg, who, being a UNH fan, is unbiased on this as opposed to you and me, rates two RPI USHL recruits, Bourbonnais and Melanson, higher than Vecchione.

OTOH, I will give you Young over Soffer. :D

Hokydad
04-08-2013, 12:30 PM
Chris Heisenberg, who, being a UNH fan, is unbiased on this as opposed to you and me, rates two RPI USHL recruits, Bourbonnais and Melanson, higher than Vecchione.

OTOH, I will give you Young over Soffer. :D

And I 100% guarantee you Chris has never seen either play.

Just like Pat Koudys was far superior to Bodie and Shayne G

Vechionne and Bourbonnais play in the final weekend series vs each other fri and sat night..
Vechionne holds a slight lead over him in scoring.


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Ralph Baer
04-08-2013, 12:55 PM
And I 100% guarantee you Chris has never seen either play.

Just like Pat Koudys was far superior to Bodie and Shayne G

Vechionne and Bourbonnais play in the final weekend series vs each other fri and sat night..
Vechionne holds a slight lead over him in scoring.


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I introduced Heisenberg into the discussion in an attempt (obvious futile) to eliminate our mutual biases from the conversation. CH has told me that the rankings are based upon observations by him and others whom he trusts.

He did rate Bodie quite highly, not so for Gostisbehere.

Hokydad
04-08-2013, 01:05 PM
the PK over MB/SG was done by RPI scouts/get a lifers
CH told you that? He told me on more then one occasion that he puts very little if any weight into the rankings. It is more of a list then a ranking, even thouigh he says he tries to put in somewhat of an order.
Nice service and great resource but more informative then rankings

Ralph Baer
04-08-2013, 01:19 PM
the PK over MB/SG was done by RPI scouts/get a lifers
CH told you that? He told me on more then one occasion that he puts very little if any weight into the rankings. It is more of a list then a ranking, even thouigh he says he tries to put in somewhat of an order.
Nice service and great resource but more informative then rankings It is indeed more a list than ranking, but he does try to put them in order. The only reason that I quoted him is that he isn't biased on this. He has no relative ranking of Koudys vs. Bodie and Gostisbehere, although he rated all but SG highly.

rdf8585
04-08-2013, 01:39 PM
No surprise but the Grosenick signing is now official: http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=664746

rdf8585
04-08-2013, 02:10 PM
Grosenick, a junior, will finish his degree in managerial economics by taking classes over the summer.

Wholin1
04-08-2013, 02:49 PM
Grosenick is a very bright young man and will do well in his chosen (nonhockey) field. The only Union player who left early for the pros that I am aware of and didn't get his degree was TJ Fox. RB mentioned several times over the weekend that Troy will be getting his degree as well. I also saw an article in the TU today indicating that Rick Bennett was actually on the road this weekend looking for a new goalie recruit. I think it is unlikely that Joe Young will come in early.

In fact he was injured for several games this year, I believe it was a lower body injury. I'm not certain he was entirely healthy after that.

rdf8585
04-08-2013, 04:03 PM
Just got back from Messa as Rick Bennett and Troy Grosenick discussed the signing this afternoon. It was clear it wasn't an easy decision for Grosenick... he'll clearly miss playing at Union.

Here's the audio of each session:

BENNETT: http://t.co/3Cb7fvpyDE

GROSENICK: http://t.co/00W4DNpib4

ADK11
04-08-2013, 04:16 PM
Grosenick is a very bright young man and will do well in his chosen (nonhockey) field. The only Union player who left early for the pros that I am aware of and didn't get his degree was TJ Fox. RB mentioned several times over the weekend that Troy will be getting his degree as well. I also saw an article in the TU today indicating that Rick Bennett was actually on the road this weekend looking for a new goalie recruit. I think it is unlikely that Joe Young will come in early.

In fact he was injured for several games this year, I believe it was a lower body injury. I'm not certain he was entirely healthy after that.Correct, Young is not coming next Fall and on top of things did not have a great season in either the BCHL or EJHL. Bennett said they are looking hard for a backup goalie for next season in his interview with Schott. There are actually several good ones out there, but remains to be seen who is ready and able to come to U right away. I would have thought that the coaches would have been keeping an eye out when they were recruiting earlier in case of this eventuality - which was hardly surprising.

As for next year's recruits, I'm not going to get into a war with the RPI folks (esp. since IMO Appert has a good looking class coming in), but I think U has a very solid class coming. Vecchione and Lichtenwald should be perfect fits up front, as they both have talent and play with jam. The more important position is defense though; Taylor has excellent offensive upside, though he needs to get bigger; Martin is very well rounded and reportedly was one of the best d-men in NE Preps; Matt Krug is a big dependable defensive d-man who handles the puck well. I'll probably do my annual review of recruits at some time in the next month or so, though is nice that other bloggers and posters on here are keeping track of them too.

Wholin1
04-08-2013, 04:56 PM
Just got back from Messa as Rick Bennett and Troy Grosenick discussed the signing this afternoon. It was clear it wasn't an easy decision for Grosenick... he'll clearly miss playing at Union.

Here's the audio of each session:

BENNETT: http://t.co/3Cb7fvpyDE

GROSENICK: http://t.co/00W4DNpib4
Heartfelt interview with Troy and typical no BS moments with RB. One thing that occurs to me and Rick Bennett alluded to it, is how good a goalie coach is Jason Tapp? He's had both of his starting goaltenders sign with NHL teams in the past three seasons and possibly a third waiting in the wings. I've got to believe that with a track record like his that he's going to be a hot commodity in his own right. I just hope he's not going anywhere. Ugh, more off season angst. :eek:

FlagDUDE08
04-08-2013, 05:46 PM
Heartfelt interview with Troy and typical no BS moments with RB. One thing that occurs to me and Rick Bennett alluded to it, is how good a goalie coach is Jason Tapp? He's had both of his starting goaltenders sign with NHL teams in the past three seasons and possibly a third waiting in the wings. I've got to believe that with a track record like his that he's going to be a hot commodity in his own right. I just hope he's not going anywhere. Ugh, more off season angst. :eek:

I'm surprised he didn't go with Leaman, although after reading about Jon Gillies' performance (had him on my fantasy team), I'd say your entire staff within the past 5 years (both current and former) isn't too bad with upping the game of goaltenders. The only way I could POSSIBLY see an assistant like that leaving is if an opportunity to lead an up-and-coming program arises. Obviously there's one of those in Alaska, but I suppose it depends upon the mindset of the coach. I assume Tapp is a full assistant and not just volunteer? If so, the story sounds a bit familiar... ;)

rdf8585
04-08-2013, 07:17 PM
Tapp is a full-time assistant now. He was a volunteer under Leaman but moved to a full-timer when Bennett took over.

Dutchfan
04-08-2013, 07:44 PM
It will be interesting to see who Union is able to bring in this late. One thing that is certain is RB and staff will have a pretty nice pitch for whoever will listen considering the last two starting goaltenders at Union were both All-Americans and signed NHL FA deals.

Union will be more than fine next season. Stevens has all the tools Kinkaid and Troy had and is an elite goaltender in the making. Even this season he was a better option than most of the goalies who were starting for other ECAC schools.

rdf8585
04-09-2013, 01:07 AM
Couple things I put together:

Timing was everything for Grosenick (http://t.co/1Vlve59jm5)
and
Union not lacking confidence in Stevens (http://t.co/4X7Ftm9Xs3)

It will be interesting to see who is brought in if Young isn't. I wouldn't totally rule that out just yet - Stevens came in early when Kinkaid went pro. Stevens and Pieri have two more years and Young is coming in 2014 if not this year. If Young doesn't come early and someone else is brought in, they could have four goalies for 2014-2015. Something would have to give. They don't cut players.

ADK11
04-09-2013, 10:14 AM
Couple things I put together:

Timing was everything for Grosenick (http://t.co/1Vlve59jm5)
and
Union not lacking confidence in Stevens (http://t.co/4X7Ftm9Xs3)

It will be interesting to see who is brought in if Young isn't. I wouldn't totally rule that out just yet - Stevens came in early when Kinkaid went pro. Stevens and Pieri have two more years and Young is coming in 2014 if not this year. If Young doesn't come early and someone else is brought in, they could have four goalies for 2014-2015. Something would have to give. They don't cut players.It sounds pretty certain that Young isn't coming in the fall, especially if Bennett himself is saying they are looking for a backup. As for what happens with the roster, its not unheard of to have 4 goalies and since Pirri really can't be expecting to see much game time anyways, I wouldn't see where it would be much of a problem team chemistry-wise. Is also possible that Pirri would see the handwriting on the wall and just concentrate on his studies senior year, or that Young could come in 2015 if he or the coaches think getting more playing time (vs. sitting behind Stevens) would be a help. Regardless, I have confidence that the coaches will sort it out, particularly after seeing how well things worked out with the Laplante episode and a former 3rd string goalie becoming an All-American.

I agree that Tapp is a very important part of the coaching staff and has done a tremendous job with the goalies. I'm cautiously optimistic that Stevens will step up his game next season, as I thought he made real progress this past season and definitely has the talent. My worry is that he will have to be very good to make up for a much more inexperienced d-corps.

FlagDUDE08
04-09-2013, 10:17 AM
It sounds pretty certain that Young isn't coming in the fall, especially if Bennett himself is saying they are looking for a backup. As for what happens with the roster, its not unheard of to have 4 goalies and since Pirri really can't be expecting to see much game time anyways, I wouldn't see where it would be much of a problem team chemistry-wise. Is also possible that Pirri would see the handwriting on the wall and just concentrate on his studies senior year, or that Young could come in 2015 if he or the coaches think getting more playing time (vs. sitting behind Stevens) would be a help. Regardless, I have confidence that the coaches will sort it out, particularly after seeing how well things worked out with the Laplante episode and a former 3rd string goalie becoming an All-American.

I agree that Tapp is a very important part of the coaching staff and has done a tremendous job with the goalies. I'm cautiously optimistic that Stevens will step up his game next season, as I thought he made real progress this past season and definitely has the talent. My worry is that he will have to be very good to make up for a much more inexperienced d-corps.

Pirri? You guys poaching family members of our recruits again? :p

FlagDUDE08
04-09-2013, 01:53 PM
That whole scenario would make more sense with Leaman's ties to Maine and Bennett's to Providence. Bennett played and later assisted there.

Currently, Whitehead and the program are being "evaluated" at Maine though some think if he was going to be canned, it would have happened already.

Tim-may's been canned. I'd post the link, but just the hooting and hollering from the Maine-iacs should tell you enough he's gone. :p