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uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 02:13 PM
For once in your life, you have a point.
Yes. Once. Congrats on overcoming your hyperbole.


Here's the irony; the fact that you are actually a nice guy who just enjoys acting like a smug, pompous dick ion a public forum supports the fact that you don't have a clue what Gwoz is actually like.
That isn't irony at all. Primarily, because it's complete nonsense. I do not enjoy acting like a smug, pompous dick here; that's a common misinterpretation. I have differing views about many things from the average poster here. I simply express those views forcefully and with a full vocabulary. This medium is one of the written word. Learn what irony actually is please ... and then try not inventing specious characterizations of what I've said to support your strawman interpretations.

There's a communication technique from which I think you might benefit greatly. It's called "perception checking". Look it up. If you ask me, I'll provide a link.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 02:15 PM
I think duper just beat donald with his own stick.

Think again.

SanTropez
04-04-2013, 03:04 PM
I think this thread has been very helpful to Denver fans, they now have a new nickname for their AD "The Hyphen".

AspyDad
04-04-2013, 03:09 PM
Never mind. They just announced that "she will not be commenting" on the show today. She must have figured out what many of us learned as kids:
"Nothing good can come of this!":D
And again, I'll bet she and her crew NEVER anticipated the backlash they've gotten this week since Monday's decision. If Peg had nuts, she couldn't count 'em twice and get the same answer.

Gutless. Apparently she thinks she can keep the cone of silence on this siuation but she owes an answer to alumni, season tix holders, fans. She screwed this up royally and isn't willing to take the heat. The buck stops somewhere else. DU is not going get a top tier guy because of the way this thing was handled and continues to be handled.

AspyDad
04-04-2013, 03:18 PM
That isn't irony at all. Primarily, because it's complete nonsense. I do not enjoy acting like a smug, pompous dick here; that's a common misinterpretation. I have differing views about many things from the average poster here. I simply express those views forcefully and with a full vocabulary. This medium is one of the written word. Learn what irony actually is please ... and then try not inventing specious characterizations of what I've said to support your strawman interpretations.

There's a communication technique from which I think you might benefit greatly. It's called "perception checking". Look it up. If you ask me, I'll provide a link.

I appreciate your desire to lend a different view but aren’t you troubled that hyphen AD hasn’t said boo about this matter. Apparently, skipped out on media appearance today. Doesn’t she owe the fans of this storied program an answer on what lead to the sudden separation, state of search for new head coach, etc.? She or the admin or more likely both are stonewalling.

giwan
04-04-2013, 03:25 PM
Gutless. Apparently she thinks she can keep the cone of silence on this siuation but she owes an answer to alumni, season tix holders, fans. She screwed this up royally and isn't willing to take the heat. The buck stops somewhere else. DU is not going get a top tier guy because of the way this thing was handled and continues to be handled.

I would expect she is spending more time on the phone answering alums then going on a radio station to be attacked by locals.

This thought process of needing a top tier guy is truly a misnomer. What is needed is the right guy, not a top tier guy. Look away from hockey and look at coaches in other sports and how many succeeded at every level being the no name.

dxmnkd316
04-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Whatever he wants, no...thats all part of negotiating, but how much could they have really been off? That is the 6-figure question. How much longer is he likely to coach? It would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall to see just how far apart they were and if the DU AD really had any interest in negotiating or had just come the realization that she did not want to give Gwoz the raise he probably deserved based on his success and what coaches like Pearson and Hastings were getting without the 19 year track record nor pay that $1 mil due at the end of Gwozdecky's 10 year extension.

Agreed. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the AD moving to kill off an expensive sport that doesn't pull in much money (or at least trim the budget to offset the low revenue).

To be honest, it's probably the most bizarre coaching move I have ever seen. I can't recall another time when I've seen a coach with a resume as impressive being fired (or forced to resign) without some sort of scandal.

If I was a Denver fan, I'd be very worried about the future of the program. You have a coaching vacancy that's going to be extremely difficult to fill with someone that's going to have the same level of success Gwoz has seen. The athletic department has made it crystal clear they aren't willing to pay top notch money for results. If I'm an elite coach, I would have serious reservations about signing any sort of long-term contract there because I don't think the athletic department wants to spend the necessary money. Would my pay be locked in? Sure. But what about travel expenses? Facilities? Recruiting budgets? How do I know those aren't going to be slashed and now I'm stuck at a school that doesn't care about winning and it's dragging my reputation down with it.

Edit: If I'm a coach that's looking to make a name for himself on the big stage, I would also have serious doubts about signing with Denver. Why would I want to be hamstrung with a tiny budget when I can wait for a program that's willing to commit the necessary resources? Why would I risk ruining my chances at getting one of the nation's elite positions (assuming Denver falls out of that classification as a result of this firing)?

BigBossMan
04-04-2013, 03:32 PM
I think this thread has been very helpful to Denver fans, they now have a new nickname for their AD "The Hyphen".

We affectionately refer to her as Dopey. :cool:

AspyDad
04-04-2013, 03:34 PM
I would expect she is spending more time on the phone answering alums then going on a radio station to be attacked by locals.

This thought process of needing a top tier guy is truly a misnomer. What is needed is the right guy, not a top tier guy. Look away from hockey and look at coaches in other sports and how many succeeded at every level being the no name.

OK, so much for transparency. Don't answer to the folks who spend the hard earned $$$$ on tix. DU is (was) top tier program and as such deserves one.

duper
04-04-2013, 03:35 PM
Yes. Once. Congrats on overcoming your hyperbole.


That isn't irony at all. Primarily, because it's complete nonsense. I do not enjoy acting like a smug, pompous dick here; that's a common misinterpretation. I have differing views about many things from the average poster here. I simply express those views forcefully and with a full vocabulary. This medium is one of the written word. Learn what irony actually is please ... and then try not inventing specious characterizations of what I've said to support your strawman interpretations.

There's a communication technique from which I think you might benefit greatly. It's called "perception checking". Look it up. If you ask me, I'll provide a link.Keep telling yourself this. :)

bigblue_dl
04-04-2013, 03:39 PM
Agreed. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the AD moving to kill off an expensive sport that doesn't pull in much money (or at least trim the budget to offset the low revenue).

To be honest, it's probably the most bizarre coaching move I have ever seen. I can't recall another time when I've seen a coach with a resume as impressive being fired (or forced to resign) without some sort of scandal.

If I was a Denver fan, I'd be very worried about the future of the program. You have a coaching vacancy that's going to be extremely difficult to fill with someone that's going to have the same level of success Gwoz has seen. The athletic department has made it crystal clear they aren't willing to pay top notch money for results. If I'm an elite coach, I would have serious reservations about signing any sort of long-term contract there because I don't think the athletic department wants to spend the necessary money. Would my pay be locked in? Sure. But what about travel expenses? Facilities? Recruiting budgets? How do I know those aren't going to be slashed and now I'm stuck at a school that doesn't care about winning and it's dragging my reputation down with it.

Edit: If I'm a coach that's looking to make a name for himself on the big stage, I would also have serious doubts about signing with Denver. Why would I want to be hamstrung with a tiny budget when I can wait for a program that's willing to commit the necessary resources? Why would I risk ruining my chances at getting one of the nation's elite positions (assuming Denver falls out of that classification as a result of this firing)?It sounds to me like Denver belongs in the nWCHA, with all of the other schools that aren't fully committed to competing at the highest level.

AspyDad
04-04-2013, 03:43 PM
The Denver Post thinks that hypen AD owes explanation.
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_22942693/coachs-firing-mystery

Denver Post is probably a liberal rag but you guys deserve an explanation.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:47 PM
I appreciate your desire to lend a different view but aren’t you troubled that hyphen AD hasn’t said boo about this matter. Apparently, skipped out on media appearance today. Doesn’t she owe the fans of this storied program an answer on what lead to the sudden separation, state of search for new head coach, etc.? She or the admin or more likely both are stonewalling.

I would definitely think she should give her rationale. Typically though people in her position don't like to do so for many reasons. One could be to cover their own arse which I think all the upset people here are just assuming is the case. Let's not forget though that this isn't a public university. Much as she might like to come out and say something like ... "Hey, the guy got paid a base of $211,000/yr and after incentives and camps etc he earned $400,000+ a year plus had a 1 million dollar "buyout/annuity" while forcing us to negotiate with an agent for an extension that would have cost the university something like 5 million dollars over the next 10 years" ... she really isn't able to due to his right to privacy. She probably could say "We ran the numbers and recognized that we couldn't afford him".

It isn't like DU hockey is some huge revenue generator. They don't sell the joint out and even if they did with the program's expenses they probably wouldn't be in the black. Are there remedies for that? Sure they could go to alums ... but with twats like DG constantly ragging on the administration over a cartoon mascot they probably are sick and tired of the negative feedback. How much of a headache and financial hit are they supposed to take? Maybe if DU won a national championship every other year they could find a justification.

Why doesn't someone ask George these questions? He's completely free to give the answers. She really isn't free to get specific. But again, yes ... she'd be smart to cover those issues in general.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:49 PM
The Denver Post thinks that hypen AD owes explanation.
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_22942693/coachs-firing-mystery

Denver Post is probably a liberal rag but you guys deserve an explanation.
An editorial where they imply that Gwoz is paid less than the "median" of D1 hockey coaches. BS he was. He was one of the highest paid. They can't even read the data set that they quote.

Chris
04-04-2013, 03:55 PM
Wow...the misinformation coming out of people on this thread who don't know **** about the DU hockey program is staggering. This thread has gone down the tubes.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 04:01 PM
I would expect she is spending more time on the phone answering alums then going on a radio station to be attacked by locals.


No, KOA and the Denver Post are more important around here for sure. If she's not talking to them, she's hiding, plain and simple.


Gutless. Apparently she thinks she can keep the cone of silence on this siuation but she owes an answer to alumni, season tix holders, fans. She screwed this up royally and isn't willing to take the heat. The buck stops somewhere else. DU is not going get a top tier guy because of the way this thing was handled and continues to be handled.

Definitely gutless. Granted, the folks on 850 are used to bigger cojones than The Hyphen is exhibiting. I mean, you think John Elway was afraid to go on the radio and explain why he showed ol' Timmy Tebow the door? And he probably got death threats for that move. They said they are going to try and get her on again tomorrow morning. And after the treatment she got today - basically, "we don't care what you have to say, but you'd better something." She'll show up. She has to.

Shirtless Guy
04-04-2013, 04:04 PM
An editorial where they imply that Gwoz is paid less than the "median" of D1 hockey coaches. BS he was. He was one of the highest paid. They can't even read the data set that they quote.The data set isn't clear about whether it was using base salary or total compensation. It was also interesting to see that his base salary is more than the median "salary and benefits" paid to FCS football schools that have hockey coaches. I guess Bowling Green and Connecticut really bring that median down.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 04:05 PM
The data set isn't clear about whether it was using base salary or total compensation. It was also interesting to see that his base salary is more than the median "salary and benefits" paid to FCS football schools that have hockey coaches. I guess Bowling Green and Connecticut really bring that median down.The category is labeled "Salary and Benefits" in each instance. I interpret that to mean his base pay plus benefits without adding in the "incentives". Most organizations these days know what their health insurance et al cost them and include those numbers. One could make a guess along the lines of 211,000 + 60,000 putting his "salary and benefits" at the high-end for "non-football D1 schools". Additionally, it's been "reported" here and in other media that Gwoz was taking home close to half a million dollars a year. While that number is always going to be speculation (unless someone asks GEORGE for a copy of his tax return) such numbers usually turn out to be fairly accurate.

Shirtless Guy
04-04-2013, 04:08 PM
The category is labeled "Salary and Benefits" in each instance.yes but benefits typically means insurance, 401k match, etc...not necessarily "other compensation."

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 04:11 PM
yes but benefits typically means insurance, 401k match, etc...not necessarily "other compensation."
I was editing while you wrote that. And I'll just reiterate ... it's Gwoz that can answer that set of questions. I don't think DU would be allowed to.