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bunt_q
04-03-2013, 08:45 PM
because denver has never had horrible seasons? How soon you forget what things were like before hiring Gwozdecky...6 wins, 9 wins, 4 wins...same basic chit.

Yeah, except try recruiting to Houghton or Mankato or Bemidji *today* when the alternative is Denver. Kids still have to live in these places. Denver's one of the hottest in the country right now (hell, we're adding a Houghton every 6 months, and that's just within a few miles of DU). That makes for some serious fun. Plus an easier time filling up your arena, even little ol' Magness. That stuff matters, even in a podunk little sport like hockey. Whoever steps in should have a much easier time of it than at most other hockey schools.

DoubleA
04-03-2013, 11:47 PM
I've also never heard DU hockey talked about so much on mainstream talk radio in Denver. I am rather looking forward to tomorrow morning. 850 KOA (Denver's flagship AM station) is going to have the hyphenated-AD on to explain herself. Should be good.

What time is Ms. Rope-A-Doppes going to be on? We can listen live on 850KOA.com...can't wait to hear her mealy-mouth her way through why she canned one of the top 5 college hockey coaches in the U.S. ... and what her game plan is to replace him... and how she's going to execute that. Something any good head volley ball coach is qualified to do.:D

4four4
04-04-2013, 12:11 AM
Yeah, except try recruiting to Houghton or Mankato or Bemidji *today* when the alternative is Denver. Kids still have to live in these places. Denver's one of the hottest in the country right now (hell, we're adding a Houghton every 6 months, and that's just within a few miles of DU). That makes for some serious fun. Plus an easier time filling up your arena, even little ol' Magness. That stuff matters, even in a podunk little sport like hockey. Whoever steps in should have a much easier time of it than at most other hockey schools.
People are not enamored with Denver it's the mountains what people talk about. IMO, Denver reminds me of a southwestern cowtown.

bigblue_dl
04-04-2013, 12:12 AM
People are not enamored with Denver it's the mountains what people talk about. IMO, Denver reminds me of a southwestern cowtown.So the city of Denver is a necessary evil? That sounds about right.

The Rube
04-04-2013, 12:18 AM
People are not enamored with Denver it's the mountains what people talk about. IMO, Denver reminds me of a southwestern cowtown.

And they are not even in the mountains! That's CO Springs. Denver has foothills. They are CLOSE to the mountains. ;)

HarleyMC
04-04-2013, 01:59 AM
That's the rub, isn't it? They apparently couldn't agree on what he's worth. No organization will disregard their own valuation of an employee's worth and pay the employee what the employee thinks he is worth.

That's not necessarily true in professional sports or business, and especially in cases like this unless the organizational leadership is clearly myopic and deluded which I believe is the case here. The inherent added marketing and entertainment value of a high profile and successful sports figure or coach goes far beyond the win and loss column. I remember reading what a difference the presence of Micheal Jordan meant to the Chicago economy during a Bulls home game. When the Bulls played at home local revenue soared in excess of $60M.

The notoriety of George Gwozdecky and his resume alone drew some of the finest college hockey recruits in the nation to DU, sold tickets, merchandise, etc. The man's industry connections are far and wide, a network comprised of some of the top coaches and sport figures in college and professional sports today. Moreover, Gwoz's coaching expertise took a losing, dysfunctional DU hockey program in 1994 with ONE NCAA postseason appearance in 20 years and elevated it to one of the top 5 college hockey programs in the nation with 11 NCAA appearances, 21 seasons winning 21 or more games, 2 national championships, conference championships, coached the only Hobey Baker winner from DU/Matt Carle, produced lots of NHL talent, etc. He is currently 4th all time in Ws among active coaches behind Jerry York, Red Berenson and Don Lucia.

I recall Don Lucia stating recently when asked what he will miss and not miss about the WCHA. When asked, "Which road trip will you miss the least?" He said, "Denver, because we can never win out there" (Laughs). DU and Gwoz always seemed to have the Gophers number and this season Gwoz became the winningest coach ever against the Gophers.

There's little question Gwoz was the face of the DU hockey program. If Doppes and staff can't negotiate on a fair market value salary commensurate with Gwoz's record, character and coaching ability, IMO they are nothing more than redundant clods disconnected to today's high standard of what is required to consistently win in college hockey. Gwoz stated during his farewell press conference, he expected Denver to come back to the negotiating table after initial talks four years ago, but Doppes and co. never did. I don't pretend to know how much Gwozdecky wanted, but it's uncanny that DU wouldn’t even come to the table to discuss the options before delivering the pink slip. From where I'm sitting, the lack of sufficient effort to develop rapport and negotiate a contract deal should concern those who care about the ongoing admin. of DU hockey and its future. Typically, the college hockey coaching landscape does not change much from year to year, especially with a coach of Gwoz's caliber, until after many consecutive seasons of near futility. IMO this is one of the worst coaching change decisions in recent college hockey memory...a complete admin blunder in my opinion which all began by DU over investing in their BB program.

I have to echo what a recent writer stated, if Gwoz couldn't keep his job after 19 years of winning, how will a younger, cheaper and less experienced coach (where ever he is) live up to any higher expectations? This is nothing but a disastrous and fatal clash of egos, in which DU emerges as the big loser.

FRICKER
04-04-2013, 02:17 AM
When it's coach vs. AD or, especially, coach vs. Administration, coach NEVER wins. Unfortunately, it's that simple. Years ago I was home to Western Massachusetts whenI heard a TV interview with Ned Harkness
where he was brought in to build Union's hockey program. Union is/was a very proud, strong educational institution. Harkness had a big win on Saturday night and was quoted as sying the Union's hockey program soon would surpass academics as Unions hallmark....................wrong!! Game, set, and match - "darkness with Harkness" was history.

The only way Gwoz could have been saved is if a big time booster interveened between the AD & Gwoz and brokered deal. Without that the AD had a blank check to gas the coach.

Ralph Baer
04-04-2013, 07:04 AM
When it's coach vs. AD or, especially, coach vs. Administration, coach NEVER wins. Unfortunately, it's that simple. Years ago I was home to Western Massachusetts whenI heard a TV interview with Ned Harkness
where he was brought in to build Union's hockey program. Union is/was a very proud, strong educational institution. Harkness had a big win on Saturday night and was quoted as sying the Union's hockey program soon would surpass academics as Unions hallmark....................wrong!! Game, set, and match - "darkness with Harkness" was history. I never heard that expression before, but thanks for the chuckle. :D

UncleRay
04-04-2013, 08:33 AM
That's not necessarily true in professional sports or business, and especially in cases like this unless the organizational leadership is clearly myopic and deluded which I believe is the case here.I'll stand by what I said:
That's the rub, isn't it? They apparently couldn't agree on what he's worth. No organization will disregard their own valuation of an employee's worth and pay the employee what the employee thinks he is worth.Gwoz may be worth more to another organization. He may be worth elsewhere what he was asking for. We may believe Gwoz is worth what he was asking for (whatever that was). An independent consultant could deem him worth what he was asking for. But if DU doesn't believe he is worth it, he's not going to get it. It's really that simple. And I don't believe for a second that he and DU haven't talked about this for the past four years.

DoubleA
04-04-2013, 09:11 AM
What time is Ms. Snapper-Doppes going to be on 850 KOA this morning?
Listening but haven't heard anything yet...

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 09:19 AM
What time is Ms. Snapper-Doppes going to be on 850 KOA this morning?
Listening but haven't heard anything yet...

Sometime between 7-9am during the Colorado morning news. I'm not sure they give anything more specific than that.

DoubleA
04-04-2013, 09:20 AM
What time is Ms. Snapper-Doppes going to be on 850 KOA this morning? Listening but haven't heard anything yet...

Never mind. They just announced that "she will not be commenting" on the show today. She must have figured out what many of us learned as kids:
"Nothing good can come of this!":D
And again, I'll bet she and her crew NEVER anticipated the backlash they've gotten this week since Monday's decision. If Peg had nuts, she couldn't count 'em twice and get the same answer.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 09:23 AM
And they are not even in the mountains! That's CO Springs. Denver has foothills. They are CLOSE to the mountains. ;)

That's actually the exact opposite of truth, unless you're only talking about the view from the city. CS is my home, and no doubt Pikes Peak is a better view to wake up to than anything visible from Denver. But the mountains west of the Springs have no depth - it's just the Pikes Peak massif - whereas the bulk of the central mountains are immediately west of Denver. In terms of recreation opportunities, spectacular sights, etc., sadly Denver kicks CS's arse. Of course, you would have to leave the city to know that.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 09:24 AM
Never mind. They just announced that "she will not be commenting" on the show today. She must have figured out what many of us learned as kids:
"Nothing good can come of this!":D
And again, I'll bet she and her crew NEVER anticipated the backlash they've gotten this week since Monday's decision. If Peg had nuts, she couldn't count 'em twice and get the same answer.

I caught that too. She's chicken sh*t. :)

bigblue_dl
04-04-2013, 09:33 AM
Brent, I'm not sure what you're talking about, Colorado Springs isn't "in the mountains" either. They're both close to the mountains. Its like, Minneapolis/St. Paul isn't in Wisconsin, it is close to Wisconsin. ;)

Ralph Baer
04-04-2013, 09:36 AM
To easterners The Mile High City must be in the mountains. :) That doesn't explain Brent however.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 09:40 AM
Brent, I'm not sure what you're talking about, Colorado Springs isn't "in the mountains" either. They're both close to the mountains. Its like, Minneapolis/St. Paul isn't in Wisconsin, it is close to Wisconsin. ;)

Right, same reason people tolerate living someplace as sh*tty as Michigan. At least you're close to someplace nice like Canada. People do still live in Michigan, right? (The laggards and welfare junkies who haven't noticed yet that all of the jobs left that state sometime last century.)

bigblue_dl
04-04-2013, 09:45 AM
Right, same reason people tolerate living someplace as sh*tty as Michigan. At least you're close to someplace nice like Canada. People do still live in Michigan, right? (The laggards and welfare junkies who haven't noticed yet that all of the jobs left that state sometime last century.)I agree. Michigan is a massive ****hole, especially the parts that are very close to Canada.

pgb-ohio
04-04-2013, 10:25 AM
I'll stand by what I said: Gwoz may be worth more to another organization. He may be worth elsewhere what he was asking for. We may believe Gwoz is worth what he was asking for (whatever that was). An independent consultant could deem him worth what he was asking for. But if DU doesn't believe he is worth it, he's not going to get it. It's really that simple...Clearly correct, but HarleyMC's core message is also clear and correct. He's not denying that the admins control the pursestrings. He's just saying the Denver AD used that power very unwisely in this case, and provides some nice arguments to support that conclusion. His first sentence should have started out: "True, but in this case the leadership's valuation was clearly myopic ..." The rest of his post was fine.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 10:30 AM
So am I the only one with talk radio on in his office? Kinda funny, they keep poking at the dear A-D. They could have just said, "she won't make it today," but instead, every 10 minutes they mention how she was to come on to discuss the Gwoz situation...BUT...blah blah blah. This isn't even sports radio, it's regular news radio!