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FlagDUDE08
03-25-2013, 03:31 PM
Worked pretty well for Google and Facebook.

Google sells ad space and makes you think it's what you're looking for. That's how they make dough.

FlagDUDE08
03-25-2013, 03:53 PM
Oddly enough, in this era lots of companies and people make money giving stuff away. I recently watched an interesting interview about how web comics and bloggers make money. They give their product away, and by having it free are able to build a bigger following. Then make money on merchandise and advertising.

My CCHA tickets weren't "free" but practically were. I paid $6.50 each day. Having spent so little on tickets, I spent more at the rink.

Well, there's obviously the audition stage, but at this point, we're pretty much past auditions. The point is, though, that the league has to make money off of this somehow. I guess it all depends on how much of the expenses are able to be covered through a television contract. Obviously they also have a contract through AmericaOne, but since the quality of it is absolute ****, it's not worth it. Not to mention, I fully understand that companies will sacrifice revenue in one area in order to make up for it in a complement (like why concessions prices are insane, or why beer's expensive at the restaurant).

If I were a really sleazy CFO, I'd rig the league so the top four traveling fan base teams always made it to the finale. But that's no fun.

MarkEagleUSA
03-25-2013, 04:05 PM
The point is, though, that the league has to make money off of this somehow.I was told during the 1st year in AC that the ECAC did not pay, nor make, a dime on the tourney. The facility was provided by the AC Convention & Visitors Bureau in exchange for the gate and concessions. With the way attendance was over the 3 years, the league probably came out ahead!

davyd83
03-25-2013, 04:08 PM
So if I give you a ticket to my league's tourney, what do I gain? The league doesn't get a cut of concessions or parking.

FreshFish
03-25-2013, 04:15 PM
Just give it to the #1 seed (and give the 1 seed a bye to make sure they actually make the tourney) and call it a day.

That also rewards the winner of the regular season much more highly than the current system. I like this idea very much, that the winner of the regular season gets a bye into the final four of the conference tournament.

FlagDUDE08
03-25-2013, 04:23 PM
That also rewards the winner of the regular season much more highly than the current system. I like this idea very much, that the winner of the regular season gets a bye into the final four of the conference tournament.

Not to mention, let's assume that the top 7 make it. The regular season now actually means something, as teams will be knocked out before the playoffs even start.

MavHockey14
03-25-2013, 05:24 PM
You don't make any money by giving stuff away.

Exactly. And not making money doesn't feed your kids, give them a too over their heads, etc.

5hole
03-25-2013, 07:34 PM
In regard to the comments about AHA attendance ... IMHO, the real problem is that AHA hockey is mid-major and is perceived that way by hockey fans. That is not going to change until the league gets rid of their scholie limits so they can compete with the other four leagues, at least in terms of depth, i.e., quantity. It would also help if the perennially weak programs - those who draw about 100 family members to their games in the lousy community rinks - would get serious or get out. A less insular schedule, meaning more OOC games would help, too, in terms of attendance and an opportunity to improve PWR among AHA teams. Do all that and then there is a better opportunity to compete for higher caliber players that AHA teams can rarely, if ever, sign.

But to do all that- to make the leaguer better and attract more fans - will take the Eastern Bloc teams and RIT along whoever else is voting to remain a cost-containment league, to change their minds at the voting table.

ericredaxe
03-25-2013, 07:38 PM
A less insular schedule, meaning more OOC games would help, too, in terms of attendance and an opportunity to improve PWR among AHA teams.

Except with the way that the pairwise is set up, there is no motivation for larger name teams to schedule the AHA teams.... if they lose it kills them in the PWR and if they win the best case is that the result is basically expunged from the record so the "weak win" does not hurt them. (didn't they have to make that fix in the PWR a couple of years ago?).

5hole
03-25-2013, 08:19 PM
Yeah but my understanding is that only a couple games all season were expunged as weak wins (probably SHU). Not every AHA team is weak; in fact, RoMo almost made the Tourn cut and we had others just above and below the TUC. I would suspect that some AHA teams (at least Niagara, Air Force, RoMo, RIT) are attractive enough to get more NC games scheduled. And for those who cannot get the extra NC games, they could play an extra game or games against AHA opponents but designate them as OOC (which should happen anyway so that the league schedule can be balanced instead of favoring the better teams in the East, e.g., UConn and HC get first round byes largely from the points they pick up for their extra games with perennial doormats SHU, AIC, Army and even Bentley).

Hey, do you notice I have a slight bias against the AHA Eastern Bloc teams? :rolleyes:

RITProf
03-25-2013, 08:37 PM
But to do all that- to make the leaguer better and attract more fans - will take the Eastern Bloc teams and RIT along whoever else is voting to remain a cost-containment league, to change their minds at the voting table.

From my understanding, you can take RIT off that list. I'm pretty certain RIT has voted with Niagara et al. to allow the scholarship limits to increase. While it means nothing for RIT directly, RIT would like the level, perceived or otherwise, of the league to increase.

(This is all second-hand knowledge, but I have heard it repeatedly from very reliable people and several closely associated with the program.)

I'd suggest that it might be even more important for AHA teams to step up on their rinks and other commitments where needed.

Edit: And RIT has Michigan coming to Rochester next season, and BC the year after. We must be doing something right!

5hole
03-26-2013, 08:37 AM
From my understanding, you can take RIT off that list. I'm pretty certain RIT has voted with Niagara et al. to allow the scholarship limits to increase. While it means nothing for RIT directly, RIT would like the level, perceived or otherwise, of the league to increase.

(This is all second-hand knowledge, but I have heard it repeatedly from very reliable people and several closely associated with the program.)

I'd suggest that it might be even more important for AHA teams to step up on their rinks and other commitments where needed.

Edit: And RIT has Michigan coming to Rochester next season, and BC the year after. We must be doing something right!Prof, I was ready to concede that RIT was on the good side of increasing scholies but I just got it confirmed from a reliable source ... 100%, they vote against increasing scholie limits.

FlagDUDE08
03-26-2013, 09:09 AM
In regard to the comments about AHA attendance ... IMHO, the real problem is that AHA hockey is mid-major and is perceived that way by hockey fans. That is not going to change until the league gets rid of their scholie limits so they can compete with the other four leagues, at least in terms of depth, i.e., quantity. It would also help if the perennially weak programs - those who draw about 100 family members to their games in the lousy community rinks - would get serious or get out. A less insular schedule, meaning more OOC games would help, too, in terms of attendance and an opportunity to improve PWR among AHA teams. Do all that and then there is a better opportunity to compete for higher caliber players that AHA teams can rarely, if ever, sign.

But to do all that- to make the leaguer better and attract more fans - will take the Eastern Bloc teams and RIT along whoever else is voting to remain a cost-containment league, to change their minds at the voting table.

I suppose your best hope at this point is for the ivies to split, and then you guys join up with the remainder of the ECAC.

ericredaxe
03-26-2013, 09:27 AM
Yeah but my understanding is that only a couple games all season were expunged as weak wins (probably SHU). Not every AHA team is weak; in fact, RoMo almost made the Tourn cut and we had others just above and below the TUC. I would suspect that some AHA teams (at least Niagara, Air Force, RoMo, RIT) are attractive enough to get more NC games scheduled. And for those who cannot get the extra NC games, they could play an extra game or games against AHA opponents but designate them as OOC (which should happen anyway so that the league schedule can be balanced instead of favoring the better teams in the East, e.g., UConn and HC get first round byes largely from the points they pick up for their extra games with perennial doormats SHU, AIC, Army and even Bentley).

Hey, do you notice I have a slight bias against the AHA Eastern Bloc teams? :rolleyes:

That could be true about only a couple of games being expunged, I haven't studied it enough to konw for sure.... but weather it is good or bad, these are games that are less attractive to "big" schools when it comes to helping their NCAA chances / seeding.... BU losing to Holy Cross last year (shame on us for that) is likely the difference between staying East and getting shipped out to play Minnesota in St Paul.

That being said, Hockey East will have a lot more OOC opportounites next year, and I do think it would be fun (from a fan's perspective) to see some of these teams that we rarely play against such as Niagara, Robert Morris etc etc.

LynahFan
03-26-2013, 09:49 AM
Google sells ad space and makes you think it's what you're looking for. That's how they make dough.Yeah - the correct analogy is that the ECAC advertises free tickets for the championship tournament, but once you're in the door they show you non-stop infomercials instead of hockey. And they charge the venue money anytime you accidentally bump into something. :)

FlagDUDE08
03-26-2013, 09:55 AM
Yeah - the correct analogy is that the ECAC advertises free tickets for the championship tournament, but once you're in the door they show you non-stop infomercials instead of hockey. And they charge the venue money anytime you accidentally bump into something. :)

Someone's a little sick of seeing "Summer @ RPI" while the tournament was in Albany? No worries, we're sick of it, too. ;)

RITProf
03-26-2013, 09:57 AM
Prof, I was ready to concede that RIT was on the good side of increasing scholies but I just got it confirmed from a reliable source ... 100%, they vote against increasing scholie limits.

All I can say is hmmm ... perhaps they flip-flopped at some point. I haven't heard anything about it recently, so that is entirely possible. Certainly disappointing from my end. (Maybe RIT was for it when finishing at the top of the standings consistently and not so much the last couple years??? ;))

FlagDUDE08
03-26-2013, 10:00 AM
All I can say is hmmm ... perhaps they flip-flopped at some point. I haven't heard anything about it recently, so that is entirely possible. Certainly disappointing from my end. (Maybe RIT was for it when finishing at the top of the standings consistently and not so much the last couple years??? ;))

It makes me wonder if they also sided with Middlebury during the D-III debacle...

RITProf
03-26-2013, 10:19 AM
It makes me wonder if they also sided with Middlebury during the D-III debacle...

Wow! I sure hope not. But that was a different era WRT some administrators at RIT.

FlagDUDE08
03-26-2013, 10:26 AM
Wow! I sure hope not. But that was a different era WRT some administrators at RIT.

I recall hearing that Union did.